A**HOLES W/DOGS

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“Now THAT'S the life of a dog. IMHO.”

“give them puppies a scratch behind the ears for me - very nice pics buck...”

“Wow Buck, those are some great pics! HPM wants to know what camera and software you're using. What's the Alpha's name?”

“What an A-hole.

It is obvious Buck does not respect the rights of others. Only an insecure dog owner would take up that much bandwidth in a chat forum.”

“That would be fine on your own property, but on public land (usually by regulation) these pups need to be leashed.”

“Lots of nice photos and not a single leash (see thread title).”

“Ditto.”

“Very nice photos buck.
About the only thing matt really asks of us on this forum is to NOT post many pictures, as this takes up a lot of bandwidth.
Most of us set up a Webshots album for pics like these.”

“I agree with the others - post a link to the pics and where are the dog's leashes?

Aside from that, beautiful photos and beautiful dogs!

=D”

“If you don't want to leash you dog in the woods just go off trail a mile or so, where you are unlikely to run into other people who may not like your unleashed dog...... Then everybody's happy Right?!? (of course I know better than that.)”

“Great shots!!! thats sum prudy country! Handsome dogs too, are those your man eaters. Can't get over those ears. They're like radar dishes. I have bad memories of a neighbors G.S. from my youth. The backyard shortcut home was heavily guarded by some wired Toto like dog and its muscle the the big lumbering G.S.

Surely you had a leash in case there was an encounter? Even well trained dogs need to be leash at certain times.”

“Quit ur #&%!$en”

“there are alot of #&%!$ hikers out there who DONT have a dog”

“Buck’s photos take up none of matt’s bandwidth, they reside at photo.net. They do make the page load slowly and matt doesn’t like that.”

“hey BUCK the only photo I see you missed is the one of my camp site, with your dog's hides stretched out next to my elk skins & beaver pelts. I liked the photos and it looks like fun. Just leave the dogs home. The only domesticated dogs that should be in the back country are trained and certified for search and rescue.”

“Hi! For those who said nice things about the pics, mucho appreciatedo! Someone asked about the camera gear... I shoot with a Canon Elan 7 and either Fuji Velvia 50 or Fuji Provia 100F and scan with a Nikon Coolscan IV.

As far as bandwidth, from what I understand about computers (which admittedly ain't much!), is that the bandwidth comes from Photo.net (of which I pay a subscription for linking capabilities) and not the forum. If that's not the case, my apologies, and the webmaster here can delete these if he/she wishes.

As for those saying my dogs should be leashed, well, I am disinclined to aquiesce to your request... means "no". I'd rather leash myself. I come across rangers frequently and they give my dogs nothin' but compliments and lovin'. I don't even own a leash, not even here in town. I run them next to busy highways without a leash. My dogs sleep with me (nothin' kinky, just doggy style), I take them to work with me and they hang-out outside our building, all day, unleashed. I could call my dogs off a juicy red steak when I want, they are under my total verbal command because they love me and respect me and want to please me. And vice versa. And by now they know what I want so I don't even usually have to say it. They step off trail for horsetrains, they don't chase big game (I let them go after tree squirrels now and then simply because it's fun for them and they can never get one of those suckers).

For those of you who truly love your dog, spend time with them and make sure they're trained and take them to the craziest wild places you can find.

For those of you who don't really care much for your dog, and they are a "lesser animal with little rights on this planet", let 'ole Rover sit on your backporch and dream about the places you go, waiting for your return so perhaps MAYBE if he's lucky he can get a piece of table scraps, a pat on the head, and a weekly leashed walk down to the fire hydrant.

As for me, I don't care what you dog-controllers/haters/dislikers say, I will be roaming wild places WITH my dogs, gracias!”

““than say, i haven't tasted _ _ _ _ _ _ (the breed) before. I wonder if its anything like donmation? Domation, tastes alot like cat.”

The local morning guys on the radio used to call up people who were giving cats away in the paper and they would use an Asian accent when asking about the cat…”Oh I rike kitty kitty! Whe can I come over and pick up kitty kitty? Lunch time OK? I rike kitty kitty!””

“Holy shlt on a stick Buck! Those are beautiful shepards! My bro has one and when she sits straight up with those ears up like only a shepard can she is a thing to behold.

Great pics.”

“I've said it before but it bears repeating.

Dogs on the trail is just one of those ‘hot button’ topics like guns, Clinton or abortion. People tend to get very emotional over these issues and argue forever.

In addition, most dog owners are pathetically lonely, psychologically isolated, mentally inept, and in need of social interaction on any level. The people who feel a need to develop a relationship with a blindly loyal (and stunningly unintelligent) animal such as a dog often are those who are too socially crippled to manage a relationship with a sentient, discriminating creature such as a human being.

If you insist on taking a dog into the backcountry, perhaps you had better reassess the reasons for your misguided dependence on this ignoble animal. Your problem may be that you are afraid to deal with creatures on an equal basis in trying to get the love and attention you need.”

“Wow Violin, you really are pathetic.”

“Thanks - I try.”

“Ha ha! I love it, Undead! I think it's the other way around... someone who hates dogs can't STAND the fact that some other living creature may do something contrary to their will, won't mind or obey them, and they can't handle that. They need to be in complete control, and a dog can challenge them, and they are mentally unable to go that route. They also don't have the patience to teach and to love fellow creatures, so they opt out. They are also afraid to get too attached and show commitment. We can learn much from a dog about loyalty, unconditional love, forgiveness, and an excitement for simple things in life. Some don't want to go there, they are too sophisiticated, too uncommitted, and they prefer sitting behind a computer all day, in their little comfort zones, chatting in forums about how much they hate Republicans. Ha ha! Some don't want to deal with dog hair, they are too worried about appearance and material goods. There are many shallow reasons why many people hate dogs (some are good reasons too, like being allergic, or have a job that takes them out of town frequently and they don't want to have a lonely dog).

As for me, ha ha!, I have to work at getting "alone" time, oh man, you betcha!

Hey, Undead, enjoy sitting behind your computer screen all day (and much of the night), chatting and posting bitter, angry stuff about Republicans and continually reflecting on all the horrible stuff that happens in your life and sharing them here! Woo Hoo! Go get 'em, kiddo! YAAAA!”

“I'm not sure what to say. I've rarely seen you so mean and nasty.

Buck...awsome!!! that's what I'd love to do with Khatru. Obviously, you love your dogs very much, you are a role model in my book, for sure...

I have a Siberian Husky, and he loves the woods. He ran the shore line and swam all summer long, as I paddled down the river. It was so very cool to watch him.

As for the rest of you who seem so bigoted...It looks like Buck takes his dogs hiking where the rest of you don't even go yourselves...hahaha...his dogs are more accomplished then alot of TT'ers are.

As for not leashing...I don't like to keep Khatru on a leash, but I always have one with me, and I slip it on when needed, which is rare, but there are those that I enjoy to hike with, and I will be sensitive to others. But...I'd like to do more wilderness hikes, where there is a less need to keep him on a leash, like Buck and his beautiful shepards.”

“and another thing...

How many of you have hiked with Gojo and his dogs...he doesn't leash his dogs and he doesn't recieve the heat and hatred that is dished out to someone who is not so well known, like Buck, or even myself.

Seems like a tremendous double standard. So, without resorting to cursing and being sensored...shut your hole!!! or start bashing EVERYONE...or better yet...shut your hole.

If its a TT hike (like Mt Rogers) and there are people on it who have a problem...I'll hike my own hike, with those that want to hike with me and Khatru. I'll even find my own camp site, if it comes down to it, I;ll just go somewhere else, where there are less or no hassles.”

“Buck, one thing you need to know about Violaman is that he desperately craves and needs attention, be it positive or negative. He only posts to get reaction. Pathetic, I know, but that's our little Richard Cranium.

Even though I have not seen anyone piss him off like you can and this brings me much joy, you’re better off saving your time.”

“Ha ha! Thanks, Nigal! I'm new here and don't know folks, and I'm jumpin' in pretty hard, but I'm pretty tough skinned. I don't wanna get into a pissin' match with anyone, or go 'round and 'round with anyone, so thanks for letting me know about this Violin feller. I'm sure he's a great guy, we just differ on many issues, that's cool. I think I will take your advice and save my time (and his!). Gracias Senor!

And hey StikMonster, I appreciate your attitude and your kind words. I love Siberian Huskies! I hope to have one (or two) someday. They just look "cool" in the wilderness, and I love their personalities. Hike on!”

“Those are some sweet photos Buck! Thank you for posting them.

I feel that if your dogs are trained (like yours appear to be Buck) you may share the trail with everyone, and yes unleashed.

For us dog owners (I happen to be one of them) we know what to expect from our animals. I personally would not let my Shepard roam free with out a leash. I know she will get in trouble and I don't want that to happen. But if I had trained her better during her early years, I might let her go leash-less.

I think if you feel confidant in letting your dogs roam and you know you can tell them to heal or stay at the sight of another hiker, dog, horse, etc... and they will do so, then by all means. If not, keep the dog leashed.

If my dog saw you coming, she would knock you down and lick you to death.”

“I see the error of my ways. Leashing a dog is really akin to abuse. After all, dogs love space. They like to run around and bark and pee & crap everywhere and eat everything in sight and hump anything that doesn't run away. Dog owners who want to "train" (read: cruelly abuse) their dogs to avoid these very natural behaviors are just plain mean.”

“many of these so-called "leash laws" contain a clause that goes something like "or under verbal comand" or "verbal control?"
believe it or not, there are people out there who don't overestimate their control over their dogs. there are dogs out there who actually listen to their owners. of course, there are also those that refuse to see reality when it comes to their dog.”

“Right ducttape. And if you think your dog may do something bad, keep it on the leash.”

“training is everything...violin...you need a time out. why don't you go flagellate yourself...sheesh.

I've hike with Ductape and his dog, the dog is better behaved than Ductape....but then again, so is Khatru...”

“great pictures... I have a shiloh shephard that goes kayaking and hiking with me as well.. he loves it.. he lives for it. Since he is such a large dog <140> at this point and still growing. as a rule i believe that your dog should be trained if not leashed around others out of respect. For the safty of your pet or others.
I need to figure out how to post picts as well.”

“Wounded Knee, I agree with what you said. It's all about trusting and knowing your dog.

And hey, Violin, I'll humor you... if we take a week long trip and you poop in a bucket and my dogs poop in a bucket, you'll be hauling out more of your own crap than both my dogs combined. You bark more than my dogs, that's for sure. My dogs aren't barkers. If you're concerned about dogs peeing in the woods, so do you, as well as bazillions of other creatures out there. If we went hiking, I'd be more concerned about you humping things than my dogs. And if you call spending lots and lots of time with your dog, showing her love and affection and giving her treats when she does good things "cruel abuse", then you don't know how to train a dog.

There's a reason dogs are called man's best friend. Get yourself an angry, bitter dog that bites Republicans and poops on religious people, and voila!, there you have it, your new "best friend"! :^D”

“Buck - I absolutely loved the pictures! Thanks for sharing.

Hiking with a dog is wonderful! My friend has a very friendly and tamed Siberean Husky. She carries a leash but as of yet, not needed to use it. Her dog is amazing and I love when she goes with us.

On the other hand, I've witnessed a dog attack another friend of mine as we said "hi" while passing that group! Couldn't understand what might have provoked it.

IMHO - I love to see dogs out there on the trails, but please Owners - if you know your dog to be fickle around others then leash them and/or take the time to properly train your dogs as it is apparently so with Buck's dogs.

Again, Buck thanks so much for sharing! are ther more that I can see!?”

“just saw the other thread with a link to your pics...going there now
..thanks”

“"...pathetically lonely, psychologically isolated, mentally inept, and in need of social interaction on any level."
UnDeAd fLeSh EaTiNg ViOLiN
09:52:38 AM
10/29/03

Sounds like a self-portrait, Fiddler.

But seriously, Buck, those are some beautiful dogs. I find your arrogance in refusing to leash them intolerable, however. Public lands mean just that, you have to respect others. Bring yer mutts on down to the Southeast and let 'em roam around unleashed sometime. You won't live long enough to pay the fines...”

“Buck you are not paying attention.

Maybe, just maybe you actually have good dogs. I doubt it, but there is a chance. MOST OWNERS are crap as humans and their pets reflect that.

The very reason I don't want dogs on the trail is the exact reasoning you stated people don't like dogs.. I find most (notice I did not say ALL) dog owners...

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(Most owners of) dogs can't STAND the fact that some other living creature may do something contrary to their will, won't mind or obey them, and they can't handle that.
They need to be in complete control, and a dog can challenge them, and they are mentally unable to go that route.
They also don't have the patience to teach and to love fellow creatures, so they opt out (of properly training their dogs).
They are also afraid to get too attached and show commitment.
We can learn much from a dog about loyalty, unconditional love, forgiveness, and an excitement for simple things in life.
Some don't want to go there, they are too sophisiticated, too uncommitted, and they prefer sitting behind a computer all day, in their little comfort zones, chatting in forums about how much they hate Republicans.
Ha ha! Some don't want to deal with dog hair, they are too worried about appearance and material goods.
There are many shallow reasons why many people (OWN) dogs...

Maybe, just maybe you actually have good dogs. I doubt it, but there is a chance. MOST OWNERS are crap as humans and their pets reflect that.”

“Hey mouse, here's the tag I used to post photos.



Just delete the sentence -URL of picture here-, keep the ""'s, put the URL of the photo in between the "" without touching the rest of the forumla thingy. Hit "Submit Message" and then out pops a puppy! :^D

Mtn Mo, I agree with you on leashes for unpredictable dogs, or times when you can predict may be trouble for your dog. Some dogs, especially when they haven't been around them much, get whacky around horses and/or are curious, which could be dangerous for a rider on a horsetrain goin' by. My dogs step off the trail with me and know not to bother them (besides, they've seen a bazillion of them now), so I don't need to worry. Also, if another dog comes up the trail, some dogs need leashes then. My dogs do well around bears and elk and moose and deer and wolves and coyotes and hotsprings and swift rivers and exposed cliffs, but these are times when someone may want to leash their dog if this is a new experience for the dog, or you are unsure of how they'll behave in a certain situation. It's the same thing as if with your own child... use caution around danger until you feel they understand how you expect them to behave. But that said, adventure is risk. Life is an adventure. If we take too much of the risk out of adventure, then we are also taking the adventure out of life. IMHO. Through experience I have had to trust my dogs "judgment" at times, and I have come to realize that their judgment in the wilderness is sometimes better than mine. There's always that first encounter with a bear, a rattlesnake, a coyote, a river crossing, etc., and they just seem to "know" what's safe or not.

If I'm climbing a mountain with my dogs, and there's an especially tough route they can't negotiate even with my pushing them up, then I'll tell them to "stay" and go find another route, and they always "stay". Some dogs will try and follow you no matter what. But my dogs know, through experience, that I'll be back shortly, so they stay. Stuff like that is just learned by spending LOTS of time with your dog.”

“While I like dogs & traveled with a coyote for many years, I find it inconsiderate (& illegal) of owners to travel on public land with unleashed dogs.”

“Oops, sorry mouse, that URL photo tag didn't show up, doh!

Father Ghoul, thanks for the compliments, and I'm not arrogant, just strong in my convictions. Your mileage may vary. I do respect others... and in fact, the vast majority of people I encounter the backcountry with my dogs LOVE them and pet them and go on and on and on and on about how well trained they are, and ask how I trained them, etc., etc. So I am respectiful, very respectful. In the rare times someone DOES look apprehensive, I step off the trail with my dogs and let the person walk by, reassuring them they are nice. No problems at all. I don't carry leashes, but if a ranger ever DID say I needed to have them leashed (not one of them has yet, out of many dozens of ranger encounteres), I'm sure I could find some parachute cord or something in my pack. Most of my time is spent in the deep wilds though, and not on popular trails.

As for hiking in the Southeast, it may differ there. My experience is out west, from the Rockies to the Pacific Coast. I spend most of my time in the wild northern Rockies, the Sierra, and the Lost Coast. Don't worry, I don't have plans on hiking the S.E. any time soon. It sounds like back there the danger isn't from wildlife, or dangerous terrain, but from gun-carryin' dog haters.

And hey slapmya$$ (no, I'm not asking you to do that, it's the guy's name, ha ha!), I'm not here to convince you that my dogs are "good". No worries, guy. According to what you said, you think most dog owners are crap. The dog owners I meet up with are fantastic people who love animals, love other people, and love wild places. I guess we're lQQkin' through different colored lenses. It's all good though. Luckily it's a big country.

Hey Mtn Mo, here's a link to some more photos, just click on an album.

More photos”

“Hi catskhiker!

It's also illegal to drive 67 mph in a 65 mph limit. Let's face it, you can't go on a week long, crazy cross-country adventure through wild areas, crossing ridges, dropping down through gorges, fording rivers, scrambling up mountains, with your two dogs on a 6' leash. It ain't gonna happen. Not only is it impractical, it would be dangerous to try and do so. If someone is taking a day hike along a very popular trail, sure, leashes are fine. Like I said, I encounter rangers quite frequently and get nothing but compliments on my dogs from these rangers. In fact, just a short time ago I ran into two on-duty rangers back in the Ansel Adams Wilderness, and they loved my dogs. They were unleashed. Yes, I speed on the freeway, sometimes I don't come to a complete stop at a stop sign, and I'll continue to hike and climb and paddle with my dogs in wild places, unleashed. I've done some backpacking in Yellowstone (not with my dogs, they aren't allowed in NP's), and many of the designated backcountry sites in that park conflicted with the park's own policy of not camping within 100' of water or a trail. Sorta odd.

I encourage people to take their dogs backpacking, and I love to see other dogs enjoying the backcountry with their owners, but if you don't, that's cool. I'm hikin' with mine.”

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AND IF YOU DON'T LIKE MY DOGS IN THE WOODS... WHATCHA GONNA DO ABOUT IT? huh? Huh? HUH? BRING IT ON, BABY! RIGHT NOW! LET'S GOOOOO!

Ha ha!”

“I never met a dog owner who didn't think their dogs were better behaved than they actually were. Making excuses for violating rules and laws is a common theme among canine proponents.

I don't believe Buck has a rational perspective on his situation.

He is arrogant.”

“Looks like Buck could kick some ass.”

“I am sure one of his super dogs took his photo.”

“You have never met Buck or his dogs. How can you decide that his dogs are as bad as you think?

It is you that does not have a rational point of view here butsa!

I would like to see his 2 dogs tackle you and piss and poop all over you! jackass!”

“I'm waiting for someone to make a thread that advocates the restriction of people hiking with Violin...

"A$$holes with Keyboards"”

“You sound rational.”