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Spock...
...you really crossed the line on the "a**holes with dogs" thread. my wife does not frequent this site, too often, but she has attended trips with others on this site.

she is one of the kindest people that i know. she does not get angry, and, in light of another current thread, she never utters a foul word.

you say that i was the first on on your "list". well, i'm sorry that i had a problem with the fact the everything that you say has a negative tone to it.

there are too many great people on this site, for you to treat everyone like this.
radagast
8:13:27 AM
9/20/01

RE: Spock...
Is that a list for St Valentine's Day cards???
Tom Terrific
8:24:26 AM
9/20/01

RE: Spock...
no, i think he said "sh!t list".
radagast
8:28:14 AM
9/20/01

RE: Spock...
Good Heavens!!!

Is it gonna be axe handles at one meter?

Tom Terrific
8:41:13 AM
9/20/01

RE: Spock...
i'm not sure what he had in mind.
radagast
8:43:34 AM
9/20/01

RE: Spock...
Well, Spock now has his own thread. He has to be creaming his jeans and is in troll heaven.

I can't say anyone has said something about my wife here but I can understand your anger.
Nigal
9:10:03 AM
9/20/01

RE: Spock...
Spock. IMHO the decent thing to do is to Post a clear straight forward apology.

You have made worthwhile posts in the past. I disagreed with a lot in your posts on the WTC, but was glad to have that perspective presented.

Nonetheless, Rad is right about that post. TT has some mighty fuzzy and mighty wide lines, but you clearly crossed one. I'm not saying you shouldn't blast back at him - if you believe he has been an a**hole say it. But when you have f-'d up at this level, you gotta fess up and apologize.
pedxing
9:27:26 AM
9/20/01

RE: Spock...
Cruelty is weak persons substitute for strength.
hyperpacker
10:50:34 AM
9/20/01

RE: Spock...
I think you've scared him off Rad. DARN! TIC
Joy
12:12:40 PM
9/20/01

RE: Spock...
he won't be scared off.
radagast
12:15:01 PM
9/20/01

RE: Spock...
Shamed off?
Joy
12:19:59 PM
9/20/01

RE: Spock...
I've got your back Rad, I never did like Vulcans anyway. The guy is a bonafide turd.
hehe, I said turd.
Buddha Bear
12:25:28 PM
9/20/01

RE: Spock...
Spock makes me sad. Not for what he says but the fact that this guy makes me miss Mutt. 8)
Nigal
12:26:46 PM
9/20/01

RE: Spock...
Weeellllll, radagast said something about my Momma......I'm not angry......I'm just glad she's been located!
And boy, does she need a shave!

Maybe you mooks spooked Spock!

Tom Terrific
12:34:46 PM
9/20/01

RE: Spock...
I got your back too, rad. I've just been biding my time waiting for the chance.

I'm not even going to read what got you mad, but if you're a mad rad, it must have been bad.

That's the extent of my poetry skills.

Spock's said a number of things with which I disagree. I'm sorry some of it got you mad, rad.
arclite
12:35:56 PM
9/20/01

RE: Spock...
Dang, Nigal! You posted while I was typing. If you had been a little quicker I would have thought to add sad to my poetic masterpiece.

Mutt! Shoot Nigal, don't make me sick here.
arclite
12:49:47 PM
9/20/01

RE: Spock...
At least Mr.Spock doesn't write posts as long-winded as Mr.Mutt did!
Buddur
12:53:10 PM
9/20/01

RE: Spock...
And then there's...

/A:d/ (1/3) Condition Or Emotion: bad, rad, sad, mad, glad,
/A:d/ (2/3) Person: lad, tad, cad, grad, dad,
/A:d/ (3/3) Unclassified: clad, plaid, pad, nad, brad (a thin, flat, slight-headed, short nail of uniform thickness, tapering in width) gad (a goad; to rove), scad (any of several carangid fishes; large number or quantity),
Tilt
2:05:57 PM
9/20/01

RE: Spock...
What's all this "got yer back" stuff???
Whatever it is, please don't fight over rad's back(side), boys!
Tom Terrific
2:11:38 PM
9/20/01

RE: Spock...
Insulting a TTr's loved ones or family members is in bad taste.
Gear Slut
2:27:33 PM
9/20/01

RE: Spock...
I might add that praising some poster's spouses for putting up with them would be more appropriate.
Gear Slut
2:30:16 PM
9/20/01

RE: Spock...
Allowing oneself to got jacked out of shape over words is soooooo boyish.
Tom Terrific
2:34:47 PM
9/20/01

RE: Spock...
Man, Tilt, you make a much better rapper than I do.
arclite
2:38:43 PM
9/20/01

RE: Spock...
"I might add that praising some poster's spouses for putting up with them would be more appropriate."

yes! insulting me is fine. i'm fat, lazy, and rude, so i deserve it, but my wife is too good to deserve anything like that.
radagast
2:55:51 PM
9/20/01

RE: Spock...
rad, you are so rude and slanderous, I can't believe you have the nerve to be bothered over the nasty remarks spock made.
lipstick hiker
3:03:14 PM
9/20/01

RE: Spock...
Here ya go, Arclite...

Dictionary of English Phonesthemes


Seeing as how "Spock" is somewhat misleading, in the interest of 'truth in advertising' might I suggest as a substitute... "Oscar the Grouch"
Tilt
3:40:30 PM
9/20/01

RE: Spock...
C'mon folks, it's obvious he's experiencing pon farr, the Vulcan need to mate, which comes every seven years. He'll be alright soon and will probably even apologize to Nurse Chapel for the soup incident.
Violin
4:04:02 PM
9/20/01

RE: Spock...
lips,

i didn't expect you to understand.
radagast
4:07:35 PM
9/20/01

RE: Spock...
wav
Violin
4:11:22 PM
9/20/01

RE: Spock...
null
radagast
4:16:06 PM
9/20/01

RE: Spock...
rad, you called labled me with the name of racist, bigot, when I said there were "groups" of blacks that were terrorizing Seattle. I never indicated that it was every black person, yet you labeled me. Now America is saying the same thing about there being "groups" of middle eastern terrorists and now it's okay.

You labled me with a horrible name, that I don't think compares with what was said about your wife. After all, everyone knows there are no camels in Atlanta, but people here still believe I'm prejudice with your help.
lipstick hiker
4:39:48 PM
9/20/01

RE: Spock...
lipstick hiker, if I remember correctly (and I haven't dug up the threads to see so I could be wrong) your comments were more involved than "groups" of blacks that were terrorizing Seattle. I also don't think radagast is going to convince people one way or the other on your comments being or not being racist. Everyone decides that for themselves. Regardless of that, Spock has no reason or excuse to attack somebody's family. He did it our of sheer ignorance and hate. If you must attack, attack the individual or group of individuals that are offending you at the time.
baume 66
4:53:36 PM
9/20/01

RE: Spock...
"but people here still believe I'm prejudice with your help."

lipstick hiker
4:39:48 PM
9/20/01

I don't think that LH needs anyone's help to prove she's prejudiced, she does a great job of proving it all on her own.

LH - "if it looks like a duck and sounds like a duck, it must be a __________"
Gear Slut
5:04:18 PM
9/20/01

RE: Spock...
Wait a minute. Wait just a minute here! This thread is about Spock. Not about what a nice guy radagast is. And from personal experience, he is a very nice guy. What I can't understand is, how can a guy who is so funny here be so quiet on the trail? You got bi-polar, rad? Even still, I like both personalities.

Interesting site, Tilt. I didn't find any reference to Spock, though. Is it in the same category as shtup? As in: To Spock someone?

It didn't help me come up with a good rap either.

Spock knocks his cock on a rock...
arclite
5:04:24 PM
9/20/01

RE: Spock...
rad, I left out one important thing. People consider me kind, sweet and caring just like your wife. I don't deserve anything unkind being said about me either.

I am shocked that you have a soft spot. It must be located somewhere in the depths of your beer drinking belly. Please ignore Spock's comments like everyone else is doing. If I see anymore softness coming from you, I think I'll puke.
lipstick hiker
5:14:17 PM
9/20/01

RE: Spock...
Goddam (ya hear that Nigel), some people get all worked up over a few wirds. What is it they teach you in kindergarden:

Sticks and stonez will brake my bonez, but wirds will never hirt me.
steve hiker
5:15:26 PM
9/20/01

RE: Spock...
I think you're wrong, lipstick.

One important difference between you and Rad's wife is that she does not post here. People have a right to say what they want about something you posted. They do not have any right to say what they want about someone who does not post here.
skiracer
5:21:55 PM
9/20/01

RE: Spock...
LH - Your husband must be a saint.
Gear Slut
5:36:30 PM
9/20/01

RE: Spock...
thanks, arclite, for pointing that out. it's not about me, or lipstick, or tom's cute butt... it's about how excessively rude one can be towards EVERYONE, especially fellow citizens, at a time like this.

this isn't "yo momma" lockerroom humor, which i admit to taking too far with kleetn. i felt rotten about it and stopped.

this IS a horrible comment about the person who i value more than every other being on this planet. wouldn't it be strange if i DIDN'T get pissed? this isn't my ex-wife, this isn't a girlfriend, this is someone that i vowed to care for, more than my own family, flesh and blood.

walkincrow even commented on this aspect of chivalry, not too long ago.

i would like to think that if i wasn't there, that some other guy would call spock on it.

and, in keeping with the foul language thread....

spock, you are the most worthless piece of sh!t that i have ever had the disonor of hearing of. you have shown a hatred of our country, our government, our fellow citizens, and you offer nothing of personal value.

i hope you treat the one that you love better than you have treated anyone on this site. i have not seen anything that would make me think so.
radagast
5:44:33 PM
9/20/01

RE: Spock...
skiracer, I see your point, but I think it's all the same thing, someone name calling for the sake of hitting an innocent target for fun.

Gear Slut, my husband isn't a saint. I'm not a saint either, but I'm a good person.
lipstick hiker
5:49:13 PM
9/20/01

null
Shux, Arclite, there were all kinds of off-the-wall rhymes on that page!

Even though his 'name' is in the title, I wouldn't want him to get a swelled head, ya know.

G-d knows we could use some tangents right about now. The rhetoric on this site in the last week has been belligerent in the extreme.

People get all wound up and say things they wouldn't otherwise. It's a mess.
Tilt
5:50:21 PM
9/20/01

RE: Spock...
steve hiker, to a religous person, those are not JUST words. Thou shall not use the Lords name in vain is one of the 10 commandments. To you they are just words, to others they are much more. Please have some respect.
switchback
6:08:18 PM
9/20/01

RE: Spock...
Rad - I would also be unhappy if someone said that about my wife because they were unhappy with me. Terroists do the same thing...don't go after your enemy, go after the innocent people around them.

Sadly, the comment was not out of character. He is probably enjoying this thread...sort of like creating a "virus".
Phil
7:13:06 PM
9/20/01

RE: Spock...
Well said switchback!
hyperpacker
7:17:39 PM
9/20/01

RE: Spock...
There are some people that post on this site that are mean and ruthless, and post only to get a rise out of the rest of us so they can find some sick form of joy in their pathetic little lives.

I've had a few words with some folks here, and a war with bacpac a few months ago. But there is a difference between things that bacpac, and even you rad say, and things that spock, gear slut and tom terrific say. rad and bacpac are either having fun, or making a point. The others just want to tear people down. Ignoring them is the best way to go, in my humble opinion.
Buddha Bear
7:22:58 PM
9/20/01

RE: Spock...
Normally I adhere to a "I will not dignify that with a response" policy. I do believe that a response awards validity to an invalid argument. Under most circumstances I would agree with Phil. However, there are just some things you cannot let slide and retain your self respect. Eat Crow Spock. It's low in sodium and fat and while it tastes terrible, it's good for you.
sklukaz
7:32:28 PM
9/20/01

RE: Spock...
Yes Switchback, but we live in a pluralistic society and it's unreasonable to ask another to modify their speech habits because it offends someone else's religious sensibilities. Especially with such common phrases as goddam and the like. (No offense intended.)

To illustrate the point, a couple of young college-aged Mormon missionaries came to my door not more than an hour ago. I told them briefly of my view that it's more likely we were created by humanoid extraterrestrials through genetic engineering than by some vague Daddy-O in the sky named God, but didn't press the point. Instead I told them how much I admired their faith and missionary work, and let them go their way without feeling attacked or threatened. Respect is a two way street and involves tolerance of differences.

Best to all. You're all great guys and gals here!
steve hiker
7:33:31 PM
9/20/01

RE: Spock...
"it's unreasonable to ask another to modify their speech habits because it offends someone else's religious sensibilities"...Huh?

I would say that is is reasonable to alter speech if you KNOW that others find it offensive. Unless you find racial epithets okay too. Altering our speech and behavior sorta helps us to see beyond our own selfish desires and helps us to respect others,you know...empathy. Of course we all could just say screw it and do what we want and others be damned...
birch
8:16:36 PM
9/20/01

RE: Spock...
My observations,

Spock went too far in making his attack personal and I hope he'll appologize, however he has his uses. He provides am often needed counterpoint to those who start blathering on brainlessly and with blind patriotism. This doesn't mean he's right, it just makes you think a little more.

rad may be a smart @ss but never mistake him for being stupid or uncaring. He reminds me of a young bacpac.
Gear Slut
8:22:26 PM
9/20/01

RE: Spock...
I really want to start a 'why rad is better than bacpac thread' but I'm not sure it would be appropriate..

Hell, the real reason I don't is I'll be gone for the next couple of weeks and won't be around to enjoy it.
Biz
8:48:44 PM
9/20/01

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