God Bless Our President

“You don't change your shirt because someone scares you into it is correct. You change your shirt because it scares yourself to see how dirty and smelly you are by your foreign policies when someone else has to forcibly open your eyes because you can't smell your own stink.”

“Neville Chamberlain had a policy of appeasement. Basically tried to appease Hitler. Take a good look at that! Should we now try to appease Osama? puleease!”

“Hitler's desire was to take control of the world and impose his beliefs/values upon it. Not entirely unlike the USA trying to control the world with its attitude and foreign policies and impose our religious beliefs on the world (e.g. birth control policy) Should the Arabs, who are defending themselves, try appeasement with America? Or should they defend themselves by a method of their choosing which will bring down the Great Satan and drive the infidel out of their land?”

“If bin Laden is found to be guilty he should be punished. This can be accomplished without bullying other nations. You attract more bees with honey...”

“Great speech , too bad our Prime Minister did not have the brains to attend . As the we live next door it was a sad night for all Canadians .Trust me when I say that our faces are as red as our malpe Leaf on the flag . My embaressment will be passed on to our federal government along with thousands of others . Rest asured we are with you all in your pain.
http://vancouverhiking.tripod.com”

“Spock, you need a clue real bad. Hitler is entirely unlike the USA. He sent tanks and planes and troops in solely for the purpose of completely taking over a country and forcing them with death and brutality. The USA currently uses influence and diplomacy, NOT THE DELIBERATE KILLING OF NON COMBATANTS. When we do go to war, we take great pains to avoid "collateral damage". Why don't you come to America and live among us for a while and learn of our ideology and tolerance.”

“The WTC is collateral damage.”

“Devil's Advocate, here.

"currently"?”

“LOL!”

“Tolerance? Like the tolerance for killing Palestinians?”

“I would have to agree that the WTC is collateral damage. It the so-called terrorists had really wanted to kill Americans, they easily could have flown those jets to hit much lower on the buildings and greatly increase the # of dead.”

“I'm fairly certain they did as much damage as they possibly could. We're just lucky they didn't have nuclear/biological/chemical.

"so-called"? sheesh.”

“Spock - How do you know that flying the planes in lower would have killed more people? Do you know more about the terrorist's planning than the rest of us? Jet fuel pouring down 80+ stories of the shaft system and then turning to explosive vapor sounds pretty deadly to me.

"Collateral Damage" Report: Today I saw a copy of an article from the local paper. A teacher here in California has a sister who is an elementary teacher in Connecticutt who has 22 students in her class. Ten of them lost at least one parent in the WTC and two students lost both parents.”

“I meant it was or will be collateral damage because of our foreign policy. Not to diminish the tragedy, but I feel there is much more to come. It's time we took some reponsibility for it. We create the monsters.”

“GS - There may be some monsters we provided cannon fodder for, however, certainly not "created" or as many as you imply. In the spirit of debate, my Muslim co-workers (from all over the Middle East) tell me different about how these "monsters" came to be. They claim that the terrorists were raised and cultivated to be hate-filled by opportunistic, power-hungry leaders like bin Laden and Saddam Hussein. They said, with the exception of the former Ayatollah in Iran, all of these Islamic terrorist leaders are just after money and power--it has nothing to do with territory or Islam. Saddam Hussein has killed his own family members at times and wiped villages in Iraq off the map for the infractions of one person from the village.

Sometimes it is just easier to shoot at the person highest up on the ladder.”

“OK, I'm tired of this War of Words on a website devoted to my first love, backpacking. The rest of you can continue to duke it out, but I've got to get on with my life. By the way, Spook and Gear Slut, you haven't changed my opinion ONE IOTA, just as I haven't changed yours. If anything, your rhetoric has served to steel my resolve to support the US Government and the American people in this, our new war.

By the way, I concede that my arguments have most likely only helped to fix your convictions that YOU are right, as well.

The fact is, I think the issues surrounding this whole mess are very grey, and are not easily identifiable into one "camp" or the other. But I don't think history 50 years from now will see it that way. Whoever wins this war will have earned the privilege to rewrite world history from THEIR vantage point, so that the decisions made on both sides will be easily categorizable into "good" and "evil." I'm sure it worked that way for WWII, and it will work that way in the future for "the Taliban War" (unless, of course, we lose the war, in which it might be called "the Infidel War).

Take care.”

“Jet fuel poured down 80+ stories...Really? Where did you get THAT from. I could have sworn it exploded and burned in a fireball. Let's see...approximately 6-7000 people are missing, primarily from the floors at or above the impacts, and people below were able to escape. Considering that the WTC normally would have 50,000 people working in the towers, a lot more lives could have been taken.”

“Jet fuel itself doesn't burn. The fumes do. The explosion probably didn't exhaust all the fuel (approx. 40,000 gallons) and some of the rest would have a chance to "flow down hill", vaporize, ignite, and explode...doing more damage quicker.

My speculation is just as good as yours. This however, was the opinion of a number of my colleagues on the engineering faculty based on their understanding of the construction of the WTC.

Your using the elevation of where the planes hit to imply the terrorists were trying not to kill more people is ludicrous.

In time there will be some structural analysis and computer simulations to actually answer this question. It will be interesting to see the results.”

“Eye witnesses described fire exploding from ground level elevator shafts and many with flash burns.

Flying in lower would not have looked as good on TV either. This is also a war of propaganda, and they knew cameras would be on the second tower.”

“Several people were burned on the ground floor when the elevator doors opened and they were engulfed in fuel and flames. Spock doesn't understand, because he consistantly ignores the truth.”

“No arguement from me on this one. Those terrorists knew what they were doing. Those planes were as close as you can come to our fuel air explosive ordnance. The power of these weapons can be almost as strong as a small nuclear device. They aimed to kill as many people as they could.

Forrest you're right, lets agree to dissagree on this one and call it a night.”

“He must have hired a better speech writer.”

“I'm sorry. I just can't trust anyone that looks like an Ork. I don't care how good his speech writers are or how well he delivered it.”

“On a humorous note:

After Bush?s great speech my wife said to me, ?OK, don?t think I?m stupid here but, what is ?tera??? LOL! I told her that is what they call ?terror? in Texas!”

“Ork? Whazzat?

(expliquez, s'il vous plait?)”

“Orcs are creatures (goblins?) from the "Lord of the Rings", as I recall. Knarlly creatures.”

“Thank you Phil. Not goblins, though. They're an evil perversion of an elf. There was a really good picture on the onion during the campaign in which he looked just like an elf with a malicious grin. I can't find it now, maybe someone else will and post it?”

“Oh, Orcs! I remember the Orcs in The Hobbit seemed wilder. I think they attacked riding in on huge wolves once.

I'm not the biggest GW fan, but when I imagine one of Those Orcs his face doesn't spring to mind, *G*.

P.S. Can't wait for the movie to come out this Christmas. If the series really hits big, perhaps they'll make a film of Bored of the Rings!!

'Arrowroot, Son of Arrowshirt'! 'Goodgulf'! 'Smog', 'Pepsi & Moxie', and of course 'Uncle Dildo'...
and 'Sorehead', LOLOLOLOL”

“Did I misspell? My apologies.”

“hmmm... 'tera incognita'...

(sic!)”

“Heck, I don't know. It's been 20 years since the last time I read any of them, *G*.

At least you didn't write it in some long forgotten elven script.

A Elbereth Gilthoniel, you-all...”

“The explanation of their origin and a good physical description are in the Silmarillian(sp?). It's not really a part of the Lord of the Rings series but a companion to it.”

““In the nineteenth century, the U.S. and Britain undertook a task of unbelieveble proportions:
to rid the Seven Seas of piracy.

Can you imagine THAT?
Countless thousands of square miles of open waters, and almost as many thousands of uncharted islands in which pirates' vessels could seek refuge.

But guess what?
It was done.

Just as we will rid the world of terrorists in this modern era...”
- gojo
5:31:17 PM
9/21/01



uh-oh:

LONDON, Nov 8 (Reuters) - Piracy declined in the first nine months of 2005, though Indonesia remained a global black spot and Somali waters re-emerged as an area where shipping is seriously threatened, an ocean crime watchdog said on Tuesday.

Just days after pictures of pirates attempting an attack on a packed cruise ship off Somalia's coast flashed around the world, the International Maritime Bureau (IMB) said acts of piracy had fallen to 205 in a nine month period this year, compared with 251 during the same period last year.

It said during that period, pirates boarded 141 merchant ships, hijacked 11 vessels and shot at 15 others. They took 259 mariners hostage and kidnapped 10 people. Twelve people are still missing.

While it welcomed a fall in attacks the agency said there was a worrying rise in crime near Somalia, Iraq and Nigeria.

Somali waters, with 28 attacks since mid-March, including three last weekend, were "out of control", the IMB said.

The weekend attacks included a high profile assault on a U.S.-owned cruise ship carrying more than 300 people, pictures of which where carried by television stations around the world.

Men in two small boats on Saturday approached the Seabourn Cruise Line ship Spirit about 100 miles (160 km) off the Somali coast, fired rocket-propelled grenades and machine guns at it, then tried to board in an apparent bid to rob passengers and crew. The ship escaped with slight damage.

"After a quiet spell of nearly two years, serious attacks have resumed off the eastern and north-eastern coast of Somalia," said IMB Director, Pottengal Mukundan.

"These attacks take place in international waters and we call upon naval vessels to come to the assistance of the hijacked ships," he said.

Six attacks close to the Basra oil terminal in Iraq, despite the presence of coalition ships, and four attacks around the Bonny River in Nigeria were also troubling, the IMB said.

The agency said Indonesia once again had the highest number of attacks with 61 incidents or nearly a third of the total.

The Malacca Strait sea lane, a crucial route for global trade, saw 10 attacks since February, it said.

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L07315828.htm”

“What's yer point?”

“We did not rid the world of piracy.

We will not rid the world of terrorists.”

“The Malacca Strait???

Isn't that Greek for CRAZY???

Violin, some guy says something bone-headed and you gotta jump all over it.

You are not nice!!

>8^P”

“RE: God Bless Our President
“I would be careful where you place your trust. This is how dictators gain a following. People are out there looking for someone to make everything better. This is prime time for corruption that won't be uncovered for years to come. We will all look back and wonder how we didn't see it, but the smoke screen is our own fear and the promise of safety.”

Tarp Rat
10:00:10 AM
9/21/01

how utterly and completely prophetic.”

“Prophet Tarpy?”

“The Vile Man has yet to grasp the concept of Fuego. LOL”

“We will not rid the world of terrorists.

Of course, but do you think it's possible to rid the world of highly organized terrorism, such as AQ?”

“And yet, some still can't see what has been right before them for the last four years.”

“I've been watching the Crusades documentary on the History Channel---or was it the news on Iraq?? oh well it all seemed the same...”

“I have seem the same television program, Sahib.

It is most interesting that when it all shakes out there was money-making going on by some few in positions of power.”

“I see you're still clinging to your tin-foil hat conspiracies, MarkO.”

“I see you're still using that worn-out catch phrase, Mutt.

That would indicate that you have nothing valid to say.

You, like the emperor, my friend, have no clothes.”

“Y'all notice how the libbies are throwing hissy fits right and left nowadays?

Their buddy France is in flames, Delay and Rowe are still laughing at them, and Bush is running circles around then with the Supreme Court.
Almost enough to make you feel sorry for them.”

“This is like the 10th time I've seen this.

Who is this Karl Rowe?”

“What? Did he sneeze?”

“Nah. He's just not the sharpest knife in the drawer:

http://www.thebackpacker.com/trailtalk/thread/27520,999,4.php#1212662

http://www.thebackpacker.com/trailtalk/thread/41119,-1,2.php#1286638

http://www.thebackpacker.com/trailtalk/thread/35643,-1.php#1287397”

“Said the man that has yet to grasp the concept of Fuego. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL”