NRA terrorists

“Good point Birch, we need to ban Teddie.”

“when "spock" first came to this site...

...his name was "teddy".

coincidence?”

“you must bring that fact up on every thread. boy are you smart.”

“Really Rad? I thought maybe he was the famous Guy Gadoire. Remember him?”

“wow, that was quite a while ago!”

“"The said Constitution [shall] be never construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press, or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms."
-- Samuel Adams of Massachusetts, Massachusetts' U.S. Constitution ratification convention, 1788


calnatv
9/27/01

Let me get this straight...people of the United States are peaceable citizens? ACTUALLY, people of the United States are the most violent, vile, war-loving, hatred-filled, rednecks on earth. It's disgusting living with neighbors who are in love with their guns and have stockpiles of them. Healthy? Peaceable? LMAO.

A well regulated militia being neccesary to the security of the State.... where is this well regulated militia? If you say the National Guard/Reserves, then why does anyone not in the Guard need an gun. Fact is, the Second Amendment is out of date and dead.

Why hasn't any state outlawed guns someone asked? DUH! Pay attention morons - the NRA controls the government, they hold even state legislatures hostage. They are terrorists!”

“United States:
Take away the guns, and there is still more murder. United States' NON-GUN murder rate is higher than the TOTAL murder rates in England, Canada or Japan.In other words, Americans kill each other more often with weapons other than guns -- such as with knives, fists and feet.
* It is absurd to claim that the U.S. has more murders because it has more guns. If one were to "magically" make every gun disappear in the U.S., the hard fact is that Americans would still kill each other -- without guns -- more often than the citizens of England, Canada or Japan kill each other will ALL types of weapons.
* The problem is not the type of weapons used, but rather, the failure in America to keep violent criminals off the street.”

“In 1998, a study conducted by a British professor and a U.S. statistician found that most crime is now worse in England than in the United States. "You are more likely to be mugged in England than in the United States," stated the Reuters news agency in summarizing the study that was published by the U.S. Justice Department (DOJ). "The rate of robbery is now 1.4 times higher in England and Wales than in the United States, and the British burglary rate is nearly double America's.”

“Spock, what are you smoking? If you say that the second amendment is outdated, then you might as well say the other 9 around it are too. They were passed at the same time. Why don't we just abandon the entire thing and live like monkeys again. Oh wait, then we would just throw sh!t at each other.”

“Turkey established gun control in 1911. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

The Soviet Union established gun control in 1929. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Germany established gun control in 1938. From 1939 to 1945, 13 million Jews and other "undesirables" who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.

Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million "educated" people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.”

“States cannot . . . prohibit the people from keeping and bearing arms, as so to deprive the United States of their rightful resource for maintaining the public security and disable the people from performing their duty to the general government."
U.S. Supreme Court, Presser v. Illinois, 1886”

“"A well-regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed."

'The Militia comprised all males physically capable of acting in concert for the common defense . . . [and that] when called for service, these men were expected to appear bearing arms supplied by themselves and of the kind in common use at the time.
U.S. v. Miller, 307 U.S. 174 (1939) US Supreme Court


right [rit] -n that which is right or correct; equality, truth, justice; just or legal claim; what one has a just claim to.
Webster's Dictionary


people [pe pl] n the body of enfranchised citizens of a state; one's family, relatives; the persons of a certain place, group or class; persons considered indefinitely; human beings.
Webster's Dictionary


infringe [in-frinj'] vt to violate, especially a pact or a law.
Webster's Dictionary”

“Wow Calnatv, that's pretty impressive stats about gun control. Thanks. So now we don't need birth control anymore...we just have gun confiscations all over the world and it'll reduce the world population. Sad.”

“Damn Calnatv you'r good.”

“Spock looks at an apple and sees the worm. I think we have all know someone like Spock. All their problems are someone elses fault. Everyone is wrong and they are right. They can't hold a job, because the boss is an ass. They hate their parents, because they like little sister better. They think every Country is better than the USA, but they don't have the balls to move out of Mom & Dad's house.

A classic case of alien envy.”

“Go Spock! While these tossers are debating their "right to bear arms" they are killing each other by the hundreds. They just dont get it! Is it possible for one these geniuses to work out the number of deaths per population for most western countries. I think it would be interesting, I'm guessing the number of deaths would be higher in the USA than most of the other countries.”

“Bunyip, the folks "debating their "right to bear arms" they are killing each other by the hundreds" probably arent the ones doing any killing of anyone. The people doing the killing are called criminals or murderers. None (murderers) hang out here as far as I know.”

“birch, you can't argue with these folks using facts. Just make some stuff up. That is what they do.”

“Spock - It's tiring, old and I'm over it. Post something about hiking or just don't post anymore, alright. Take it someplace else.

P.S. Nice try, Cal. Guys like this are a waste of time....”

“Ya, I'm getting tired of it too. Although I did have alot fun”

“Bacpac summed it up pretty darn good with his last post”

“and second to last post”

“Cal - I must say your research skills are very impressive...”

“Wow, calnatv, you sure can twist the Second amendment to mean whatever you want it to mean. Again you can't read! IT says: A *WELL REGULATED* Militia. What does that mean to you? Does everyone who owns a gun belong to a well regulated militia? NO! You are a bunch of whacked out criminals who kill their wives and children because you are cowards. You shoot your guns into the sky in celebration. Gun owners are not patriotic militia mambers...they are whacked out on gun love, pure and simple. Stockpiles of weapons in a home are not the signature of health...it's paranoia. And every gun owner suffers from it.”

“Wow, calnatv, you sure can twist the Second amendment to mean whatever you want it to mean. Again you can't read! IT says: A *WELL REGULATED* Militia. What does that mean to you? Does everyone who owns a gun belong to a well regulated militia? NO! You are a bunch of whacked out criminals who kill their wives and children because you are cowards. You shoot your guns into the sky in celebration. Gun owners are not patriotic militia mambers...they are whacked out on gun love, pure and simple. Stockpiles of weapons in a home are not the signature of health...it's paranoia. And every gun owner suffers from it.”

“I think we heard enough of this 'stupid gossip' in the first post. I wasn't worth posting once, much less twice.”

“I agree that you aren't worth posting, bacpac.”

“We should start a mutual admiration society.”

“Does spock propose to do for the rest of the country what his side has done for Washington DC? They've had a complete ban on all firearms except for military and police for years, the NRA even had to move their museum out of the city(I guess some folks feel threatened by relics). It's time folks knew that guns are tools like anything else,, some get misused, but most are used by responsible folks, I like to put holes in paper at really long distances myself, I've fired over 10'000 rounds over the years, and always responsibly,, can you say the same about your driving perhaps? I doubt it. Every time registration laws have been enacted, confiscation has followed within 10 years, and a dictatorship has come to power,, thugs fear an armed citizen more than anything. If you want to live in a country with strict gun controls, try China or Cuba, and enjoy their ways of life, if you want to call it that,, I refuse to be a sheep myself, and think most others feel the same as I do.”

“I almost forgot too, did we supply all those ak 47's and sks's out there,, I haven't seen them made here yet.Check in with your communist and former communist friends on that!”

“Spock is a fraud. He even set his watch.”

“What is "responsible" about firing 10,000 rounds? Do you really think that is responsibility...or more likely obsession?

Responsible is NEVER bouncing a check or failing to make a payment. (me) Responsible is no accidents ever in 26 years of driving. Not even a parking ticket. (me)
Responsible is volunteering to serve your country in the armed forces. (me)”

“What is "responsible" about firing 10,000 rounds? Do you really think that is responsibility...or more likely obsession?

Responsible is NEVER bouncing a check or failing to make a payment. (me) Responsible is no accidents ever in 26 years of driving. Not even a parking ticket. (me)
Responsible is volunteering to serve your country in the armed forces. (me)”

“What is "responsible" about firing 10,000 rounds? Do you really think that is responsibility...or more likely obsession?

Responsible is NEVER bouncing a check or failing to make a payment. (me) Responsible is no accidents ever in 26 years of driving. Not even a parking ticket. (me)
Responsible is volunteering to serve your country in the armed forces. (me)”

“let me bow down before you mr responsibe. Am I impressed, no. So far I haven't done any of those either. In fact, I bet there are mass murderers that have never recieved a parking ticket. Who the hell cares. That has nothing to do with this topic. Magazine capacity has nothing to do with responsibility. Many things in life are unesccisary until you need them. You may think that a 10,000 round box clip is stupid and unnecisarry, but I fail to see how it is "obsessive" and how anybody sees that as respnsability. The only responsability I see is to proberly handle the firearm. As fo twisting the facts, first of all, I'm not seeing any twisiting from him and I'm definatly not seeing any facts from you. You are just spitting your opinion and twisting the constitution. Now maybe if you could show an example of a country where guns were banished and peace ensued, but wait a minute, Calnatv already showed the opposite. Guess he beat you to it. Better luck next time.”

“I guess posting definitions from websters was "twisting words"”

“Spock gets the zero credibility award. He argues against a point in one thread and then uses the same point as a supporting argument in another thread. His tactics are so bogus that a comprehensive discussion is impossible. He just likes to hear himself talk. Well so do I and well, I think I got a parking ticket once so maybe he is more responsible. I hope he doesn't vote.”

“calnatv, so you admit you can't use the Second Amendment to support your position, can you? Show me the WELL REGULATED MILITIA which gives you the supposed right to bear arms. You can't. You lose. Therefore, the Second Amendment does not give you any right to own a gun. No well regulated militia = no right to bear arms.”

“Spock is no genius. The Second Amendment is in place to protect our democratic form of government. It was written to insure that Kings, Dictators, and Monarchys could not take control of the government. Since the people are armed it hasn't happened. I am not saying that is the reason it has not happened, but arming the people was a means of insuring that the people would control government. I guess you could say it worked.”

“No, the people do NOT control the government, genius. Corporations, special interests (like the NRA), and big money control the government.”

“calnatv "twisting" the Second Amendment? Hardly:

"The only twentieth-century case in which the Supreme Court directly interpreted the Second Amendment was United States v. Miller, 307 US 174 (1939). The court was quite clear that historical sources 'showed plainly enough that the Militia comprised all males physically capable of acting in concert for the common defense.' The court accepted 'the common view...that adequate defense of the country and laws could be secured through the Militia -- citizens primarily, soldiers on occasion.'

"James Madison wrote in the Federalist papers [No. 46] that if a standing army threatened citizens' liberties, it would be opposed by 'a militia amounting to near a half-million citizens with arms in their hands.'"

-- from Note 18, Page 293, "More Guns, Less Crime" 2nd Ed., by John R. Lott, Jr., University of Chicago Press.

The note also provides direction to five articles concerning interpretation of the Second Amendment in major law reviews and the proviso that legal scholars generally find the term "militia" to be "completely misinterpreted" in contemporary discussions of the issue.”

“Just show me the WELL REGULATED MILITIA that the Second Amendment refers to.”

“What controls the special interests and corporations? Aliens? Or could it be American citizens? Ooo that is spooky.”

“I believe I just did, Spock. When you get done reading all the court cases and law review articles, then you might have a clue, but somehow I doubt you are willing to crack a book on this one.”

“Hey, what time is it Spock?

snicker”

“Spock needs to crack a book on how to calculate the correct time in Korea.

Let's see, if it is 7:00 a.m in Spokane on October 1st, this must be Paris!

Another good one would be, "How to Win Friends and Influence People."”

“No, you refer to "militia." I want to see the WELL REGULATED militia that the Second Amendment refers to. List the "regulations" governing the militia you belong to.

So if you need a gun to protect yourself against other American citizens (which is what they are really being used for), does the Second Amendment allow for that?”

“Yes.”

“Spocks argument has gotten pretty thin. Well actually it was always pretty thin. It has become transparent.”

“bacpac, gossiping about others..remember what I said?

WELL REGULATED militia..answer the question or forfeit!”