Anthrax

“I had a feeling this was going to happen. The U.S.P.S. and other parcel carriers are wonderful vectors for terrorist to take advantage of. The volume is just to great to watch and control if you ask me. Maybe expected more of it in the future months and years until we have rounded up some of the terrorist still in the USA. I wonder if Teddies K.'s place in MT. is still for sale.

Since major airlines move alot of the mail what is to keep terrorist from sending bombs thru the mail that maybe timed or altitude triggered.”

“I am buying a ton of UPS stock. I heard they just got a big contract with a company called OSB to distribute packages to every address in the US, overnight!”

“Some people have just been reading WAY too much Michael Crighton.

Question......

What was it Osama had to say in his recorded "interview" with himself (The Vampire"), about how America will never again rest until it gets itself out of the middle east and Palistine?

And guess what?

The sheep have stampeeded.

One rumor and some well planned plant sites.

One operative with a ziploc bag of anthrax spores and a bunch of porno pictures and prestamped envelopes.

One relatively, usually un-harmful bacteria set free in the mails......

QUICK!
VISQUEEN THE BABY!

How many of you sniff your mail?
So, quit.

Do you pick your nose while you read your mail?
So quit.

Scratch that pimple while you read your mail?
So quit.

Those are bad habits anyway.
Wash your hands once in a while.

How many days does it take to come down with any set of symptoms from this crap?

The main symptom is the ugly scabby rash-y like thing.

Real straightforward ugly thingy.

Lots of forewarning with that thing.

I know if I presented with something THAT ugly I would go have it EXAMINED.

I would NOT have it looked at by my next door neighbor who boils Eye of Newt, and casts spells during the full moon.

Inhaled anthrax?
Flu-like symptoms.

Get thee to a physician!

You go see your doctor if you begin to feel sickly - flu-y, and you then begin a course of correct antibiotics..

YOU BE FINE.

How many million large is the population of the USA.

How many people here have died from Anthrax since this began two weeks ago?

Go check out the Center for Disease Control for their anthrax statistics for all of the 1900's.

Bubonic Plague was far worse.

So was Tuberculosis.

You know that TB is enjoying a resurgence in the american population because of our immunity to many of the drugs which were used to treat it?

Many cases of syphilis are now antibiotic resistant.

Ever read anything about the horrors of advanced syphilis and no treatment to deal with it?

Syphilis dementia?
Violence?
You die slowly with obscene skin eruptions?

How many people die EACH DAY in automobile accidents?

How many people die EACH DAY from cigerettes?

How many people die EACH DAY from tetanus?

How many people die EACH DAY from eating too many pizzas?

Osama would do a better job if he dropped bombardments of auto delivered pizzas on us: Bin Laden double cheese with salmonella hamburger, chased with Marlboroughs and gin fizzes.

American Public is on it's knees!

Buying gas masks.
Hazmat suits.
Cipro.

Making all kinds of bomb shelters.

Looking up in the sky for mad bomber planes.

Sterilizing their "Book of The Month Club" list of favorites.

Spraying down their kids with pine-sol.

Standing on public toilet seats to take a whiz.

Wearing surgical gloves to the grocery stores.

Here we have this little stone-aged-type country issuing threatening rhetoric, and guess what?

IT WORKS!

They got these American sheep bobbing and weaving and screaming, and wringing they hands in the air.

"Oh, PLEASE Mr. Osama".

Spare my family.

Don't put no anthrax on my Cherrio's!

Please don't cough on my new U2 CD.

Nobody sweat or breathe while you're riding in my car.

Above all!

No NIK NIK!

Worry more about Hanta Virus.

If I was worried about ANYTHING, Hanta would be it.

Deer mice spread Hanta Virus. I have a wood shed full of deer mice by the end of the winter.

Little dissidated corpses scattered about under the boxes out there.
Mouse turds everywhere.

Little Hanta Mouses.

You just put on the mask and keep on cleaning.

I get deer mice in my house.

I had a friend die of Hanta Virus a couple of years ago.

He didn't know he was sick.”

“Lots of Paranoia Out there!!!! I think now is a good time to take a long threw hike! Just don't MAIL any resupplys”

“and don't sleep in any mountain goat beds.”

“Is it just me or does mel sound a little like RastaMonJohnnie?”

“Naw....
I been reading too much Rasta Mon.

I'm working on his regional dialect.

I picked up some of his rythym, but lucky for me most his argumentative dred crap stayed with him.”

“The group Anthrax is changing its name to "Basket Full of Puppies".”

“Is that talc leaking from that bounce box?”

“Hmmm a basket full of puppies and anthrax. I can see that.”

“They have roped around the Nashville capitol area today... lots of suspicious threats and possibilities..”

“I'm sure by now many of you have heard that the FBI suspects a domestic source for this.

The letters to Daschle, Brokaw and The Post end with "Allah is Great".



This is the proverbial red herring. A Muslim friend informs me that no Muslim would use this in a letter, if they did, it would be "Allah Akbar, Allah Akbar" - always said twice and never in English, and finally, this is a greeting - not something you would conclude with.

Hmmm.

I've got to go now - Hello!”

“everyone around here is totally overly paranoid about it. yesterday was my turn to open the mail to our department, and i had to wear gloves! no one would ever care to send us any anthrax, but our mail goes through the Brentwood facility, or something....”

“Here in NJ, everyone is real friggin calm, believe me!

On the upside, I've just been promoted to head of mailroom operations! LOL.”

“My paranoia has been that someone is trying to set up Iraq, to ensure a war with them (could be domestic, could be Mossad).

Violin's post increases my worries.”

“Great, it's the bleeding ulcers that will get us.”

“There were confrimed reports in the press that the biggest idiot of all time, Atta, met with an Iraqi functionary in Prague. Thanks for the disease, Baghdad. Next thing we're gonna blow the towels off your heads.”

“Violin, so what do you deduce by your friends commentary, the letters aren't from Muslim people?

I noticed the lettering. Foreigners don't write english letters the way we do unless they were taught here, but maybe I'm wrong since they learn English in their own countries. The lettering seems to be by an American taught person or maybe by using block letters, it hides the persons true Islamic style lettering.”

“Also the date is American style.”

“It should be easy enough to track as the CDC can trace nearly all strains to it's source. If the anthrax is domestic they'll know. It'd be a pleasur to see the extremist mallitias dismantled. They should start with the Michigan Mallitia and head west.”

“She said that as soon as she saw the letters, she knew it wasn't written by a Muslim.”

“Ah, it always comes back to being the Michigan Militia's fault.”

“LOL! They just happen to be the most notorious.”

“I suspect the Amish.”

“With that spelling, you'd think it was Ice Tea.”

“Sure isn't a pharmacist.”

“The letters were mailed by spock and his bedmate solitary hiker.”

“how much did the fbi pay your freind for her expert analysis? that much has been in the paper for 2 weeks”

“lyra- the Brentwood mail processing facility has been closed since this all started.”

“null”

“Does this make sense to anyone?

I can't even see any images.”

“I don't see any images either. The attempt to "outline" the images could have resulted from anything.”

“Wow man, like I could totally see what he was talikin' about man.”

“www.globeandmail.com

Scientists' deaths are under the microscope
By ALANNA MITCHELL, SIMON COOPER AND CAROLYN ABRAHAM
COMPILED BY ALANNA MITCHELL

Saturday, May 4, 2002 – Print Edition, Page A1

It's a tale only the best conspiracy theorist could dream up.

Eleven microbiologists mysteriously dead over the span of just five months. Some of them world leaders in developing weapons-grade biological plagues. Others the best in figuring out how to stop millions from dying because of biological weapons. Still others, experts in the theory of bioterrorism.

Throw in a few Russian defectors, a few nervy U.S. biotech companies, a deranged assassin or two, a bit of Elvis, a couple of Satanists, a subtle hint of espionage, a big whack of imagination, and the plot is complete, if a bit reminiscent of James Bond.

The first three died in the space of just over a week in November. Benito Que, 52, was an expert in infectious diseases and cellular biology at the Miami Medical School. Police originally suspected that he had been beaten on Nov. 12 in a carjacking in the medical school's parking lot. Strangely enough, though, his body showed no signs of a beating. Doctors then began to suspect a stroke.

Just four days after Dr. Que fell unconscious came the mysterious disappearance of Don Wiley, 57, one of the foremost microbiologists in the United States. Dr. Wiley, of the Howard Hughes Medical Institute at Harvard University, was an expert on how the immune system responds to viral attacks such as the classic doomsday plagues of HIV, ebola and influenza.

He had just bought tickets to take his son to Graceland the following day. Police found his rental car on a bridge outside Memphis, Tenn. His body was later found in the Mississippi River. Forensic experts said he may have had a dizzy spell and have fallen off the bridge.

Just five days after that, the world-class microbiologist and high-profile Russian defector Valdimir Pasechnik, 64, fell dead. The pathologist who did the autopsy, and who also happened to be associated with Britain's spy agency, concluded he died of a stroke.

Dr. Pasechnik, who defected to the United Kingdom in 1989, played a huge role in Russian biowarfare and helped to figure out how to modify cruise missiles to deliver the agents of mass biological destruction.

The next two deaths came four days apart in December. Robert Schwartz, 57, was stabbed and slashed with what police believe was a sword in his farmhouse in Leesberg, Va. His daughter, who identifies herself as a pagan high priestess, and several of her fellow pagans have been charged.

Dr. Schwartz was an expert in DNA sequencing and pathogenic micro-organisms, who worked at the Center for Innovative Technology in Herndon, Va.

Four days later, Nguyen Van Set, 44, died at work in Geelong, Australia, in a laboratory accident. He entered an airlocked storage lab and died from exposure to nitrogen. Other scientists at the animal diseases facility of the Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization had just come to fame for discovering a virulent strain of mousepox, which could be modified to affect smallpox.

Then in February, the Russian microbiologist Victor Korshunov, 56, an expert in intestinal bacteria of children around the world, was bashed over the head near his home in Moscow. Five days later the British microbiologist Ian Langford, 40, was found dead in his home near Norwich, England, naked from the waist down and wedged under a chair. He was an expert in environmental risks and disease.

Two weeks later, two prominent microbiologists died in San Francisco. Tanya Holzmayer, 46, a Russian who moved to the U.S. in 1989, focused on the part of the human molecular structure that could be affected best by medicine.

She was killed by fellow microbiologist Guyang (Matthew) Huang, 38, who shot her seven times when she opened the door to a pizza delivery. Then he shot himself.

The final two deaths came one day after the other in March. David Wynn-Williams, 55, a respected astrobiologist with the British Antarctic Survey, who studied the habits of microbes that might survive in outer space, died in a freak road accident near his home in Cambridge, England. He was hit by a car while he was jogging.

The following day, Steven Mostow, 63, known as Dr. Flu for his expertise in treating influenza, and a noted expert in bioterrorism, died when the airplane he was piloting crashed near Denver.

So what does any of it mean?

"Statistically, what are the chances?" wondered a prominent North American microbiologist reached last night at an international meeting of infectious-disease specialists in Chicago.

Janet Shoemaker, director of public and scientific affairs of the American Society for Microbiology in Washington, D.C., pointed out yesterday that there are about 20,000 academic researchers in microbiology in the U.S. Still, not all of these are of the elevated calibre of those recently deceased.

She had a chilling, final thought. When microbiologists die in a lab, there's a way of taking note of the deaths and adding them up. When they die in freakish accidents outside the lab, nobody keeps track.





Suspicious deaths

The sudden and suspicious deaths of 11 of the world's leading microbiologists.

Who they were:

1. Nov. 12, 2001:

Benito Que was said to have been beaten in a Miami parking lot and died later.

2. Nov. 16, 2001:

Don C. Wiley went missing. Was found Dec. 20. Investigators said he got dizzy on a Memphis bridge and fell to his death in a river.

3. Nov. 21, 2001:

Vladimir Pasechnik, former high-level Russian microbiologist who defected in 1989 to the U.K. apparently died from a stroke.

4. Dec. 10, 2001:

Robert M. Schwartz was stabbed to death in Leesberg, Va. Three Satanists have been arrested.

5. Dec. 14, 2001:

Nguyen Van Set died in an airlock filled with nitrogen in his lab in Geelong, Australia.

6. Feb. 9, 2002:

Victor Korshunov had his head bashed in near his home in Moscow.

7. Feb. 14, 2002:

Ian Langford was found partially naked and wedged under a chair in Norwich, England.

8. 9. Feb. 28, 2002:

San Francisco resident Tanya Holzmayer was killed by a microbiologist colleague, Guyang Huang, who shot her as she took delivery of a pizza and then apparently shot himself.

10. March 24, 2002:

David Wynn-Williams died in a road accident near his home in Cambridge, England.

11. March 25, 2002:

Steven Mostow of the Colorado Health Sciences Centre, killed in a plane he was flying near Denver.

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“Hmmm...I wonder how many microbiologists are still alive? Should I be worried?

Where do you dig this stuff up?”

“Towndawg,

"It's a free country, but all your posts here at this site are a bunch of political nonsense that only you appear to agree with. Why not post your comments on a more politically minded board?

Nobody likes you and your mama is ugly."
Artex”

“This board is not "politically minded"?

Well, I am taking my copy of the Federalist Papers and going home.”

“Anthrax? The F.B.I. Yawns
By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF


The F.B.I.'s bumbling before 9/11 is water under the bridge. But the bureau's lackadaisical ineptitude in pursuing the anthrax killer continues to threaten America's national security by permitting him to strike again or, more likely, to flee to Iran or North Korea.

Almost everyone who has encountered the F.B.I. anthrax investigation is aghast at the bureau's lethargy. Some in the biodefense community think they know a likely culprit, whom I'll call Mr. Z. Although the bureau has polygraphed Mr. Z, searched his home twice and interviewed him four times, it has not placed him under surveillance or asked its outside handwriting expert to compare his writing to that on the anthrax letters.

This is part of a larger pattern. Astonishingly, the F.B.I. allowed the destruction of anthrax stocks at Iowa State University, losing what might have been valuable genetic clues. Then it waited until December to open the intact anthrax envelope it found. The F.B.I. didn't obtain anthrax strains from various labs for comparison until March, and the testing is still not complete. The bureau did not systematically polygraph scientists at two suspect labs, Fort Detrick, Md., and Dugway Proving Ground in Utah, until a month ago.

Perhaps it's a cheap shot for an armchair detective to whine about the caution of dedicated and exceptionally hard-working investigators. Yet months pass and the bureau continues to act like, well, a bureaucracy, plodding along in slow motion. People in the biodefense field first gave Mr. Z's name to the bureau as a suspect in October, and I wrote about him elliptically in a column on May 24.

He denies any wrongdoing, and his friends are heartsick at suspicions directed against a man they regard as a patriot. Some of his polygraphs show evasion, I hear, although that may be because of his temperament.

If Mr. Z were an Arab national, he would have been imprisoned long ago. But he is a true-blue American with close ties to the U.S. Defense Department, the C.I.A. and the American biodefense program. On the other hand, he was once caught with a girlfriend in a biohazard "hot suite" at Fort Detrick, surrounded only by blushing germs.

With many experts buzzing about Mr. Z behind his back, it's time for the F.B.I. to make a move: either it should go after him more aggressively, sifting thoroughly through his past and picking up loose threads, or it should seek to exculpate him and remove this cloud of suspicion.

Whoever sent the anthrax probably had no intention of killing people; the letters warned recipients to take antibiotics. My guess is that the goal was to help America by raising preparedness against biological attacks in the future.

So it seems fair to ask the F.B.I. a few questions:

Do you know how many identities and passports Mr. Z has and are you monitoring his international travel? I have found at least one alias for him, and he has continued to travel abroad on government assignments, even to Central Asia.

Why was his top security clearance suspended in August, less than a month before the anthrax attacks began? This move left him infuriated. Are the C.I.A. and military intelligence agencies cooperating fully with the investigation?

Have you searched the isolated residence that he had access to last fall? The F.B.I. has known about this building, and knows that Mr. Z gave Cipro to people who visited it. This property and many others are legally registered in the name of a friend of Mr. Z, but may be safe houses operated by American intelligence.

Have you examined whether Mr. Z has connections to the biggest anthrax outbreak among humans ever recorded, the one that sickened more than 10,000 black farmers in Zimbabwe in 1978-80? There is evidence that the anthrax was released by the white Rhodesian Army fighting against black guerrillas, and Mr. Z has claimed that he participated in the white army's much-feared Selous Scouts. Could rogue elements of the American military have backed the Rhodesian Army in anthrax and cholera attacks against blacks? Mr. Z's résumé also claims involvement in the former South African Defense Force; all else aside, who knew that the U.S. Defense Department would pick an American who had served in the armed forces of two white-racist regimes to work in the American biodefense program with some of the world's deadliest germs?

What now? When do you shift into high gear?”