The Clinton Presidency and the WTC

“I am amazed that, at a time like this, some people start Clinton-bashing. I think it has become such a knee-jerk reaction to anything, (News Flash!..."The sun came up in the East this morning, Clinton Presidency has created hell on earth!!!"), that some people have to resort to the disingenuous and divisive ex-president bashing so as to keep from exercising their last brain cell.”

“I am amazed at the people who hold Clinton blameless for any of his actions.”

“We also might want to consider all of the useless laws passed by the democratic led congress from 1969 to the 80's. The laws, intended to create "rights" for minorities basically allowed lawsuits and lawyers to run amuck (sp)> The laws took the responsibility of beureacrats out of their hands, and into the law, essentially tying the hands of the CIA, FBI, and other government agencies. We are ruled by rules, and perceived rights, when the power of the law should be in the hands of people making decisions based on common sense.

The economy of the past several years was due to the advent of the internet, and everybody and their mother investing in 401K plans. A monkey eating a banana could have been president, and the economy would have been good. The market drives itself, it is mainly effected by confidence, which we should all know by now having learned the hard way this past year. It's funny, when I think back of all those liberals holding signs stating "It's the Economy Stupid" during Clintons 96' campaign - they had no clue, which is why I don't listen to their foolish babble today.”

“Clinton did give us the Grand Staircase- Escalante. Otherwise impeach the bass turd.”

“So who's holding Clinton blameless for any of his actions?

Tying the hands of the FBI and the CIA?

Lawsuits run amok???
Oh, dear!!!
Big Business would like nothing more than to bribe the U.S. legislature into taking away more and more rights from the citizens so they can have their way with us......even more than they do now!

There's your "New World Order".....words of George Butch The Elder......Don Vito Butchleone”

“No, here is our "New World Order"
$11 out of every $1,000 in education is spent on disabled children, while "advanced" students get .01 cent per $1,000. And we wonder why our education system sucks.

Out of all the "Disabled" people in America, less than 2% are in wheel chairs, yet we spend billions upon billions of dollars every year to make everything wheelchair accesible. Where is the right of the majority of taxpayers?

The only time we get things done in this country quickly, efficiently and properly, is when a disaster happens, and we throw all the stupid rules and regualtions and guidelines out the door, and deal in common sense, and hold our leaders accountable.

This country is a big stagnent machine because of the beurueacratic mess created by the passage of laws granting percieved "rights" to minorities.

I'm not saying we need to abondon our fellow americans, but we need to narrow the gap, and make people as equal as possible without placing power in the hands of the minority.”

“BB where did that piece of data come from (on education spending?)

Not that 1.1% of education money going to the disabled is all that much. How is that going to explain "why our education system suck." Some statistics and ways of presenting them serve to promote thought, some serve to bypass thought.”

“I cut my thumb real bad yesterday. It's supposed to snow where we're going this weekend. Highs of 41*!”

“Ped - Department of Education. "National Excellance: A Case for Developing America's Talent." 10/93”

“Dang! All we're getting is high of 50 and rain rain rain. Hey, how bout that sweet new REI catalog? Lots o' goodies in there!”

“"The ratio of funding of special education to gifted programs is about elen dollars to 1 cent"
--Philip K. Howard "The Death of Common Sense"”

“I don't mind paying for wheelchair accessibiltiy. My boss and mentor for 10 years was wheelchair bound from age 5. I travelled with him frequently. You'd be amazed at the obstacles this man faced.

Without getting into an educational priorities argument, consider that an "advanced" student prolly has a few more options for learning than the average disabled student.

Why is this relevent?”

“For anyone wishing to take thoughtful look at the rise of the militant Islamic movement and our response to it can watch a PBS Frontline program entitled 'Target America' tonight at 9 pm (check your local listings).

For those wishing to descend into partisan finger pointing and mud slinging, have at it!”

“yeah, nigal!

i cant believe that they had GEAR in it!!! LOL!!!!”

“QUICK SOLITARY!!!! Run and get today's WSJ!!!! pa22 has RUSH LIMBAUGH's insightful comments as to how this was Clinton's fault. It's a MUST read for knee jerk republicans.

PS: re: calling you names. I didn't ACTUALLY call you a name . . . I simply suggested that your obvious inability to read an opinion piece with a critical eye, and your willingness to swallow whatever crap was spoon fed you, makes you come off like . . .to quote myself "you are busy simpering like a little girl and bending over so that Andy Sullivan have his way with you "




PPS: tell me that your opening lines weren't targeted to get the response they got
"The Clinton apologists should hang their heads in shame."”

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ASAHP-As Soon As Humanly Possible
ASAP-As Soon As Possible
AYCE-All You Can Eat
BBL-Be Back Later
BFN-Bye, for now or But for now
Blue Blazer-Hikes approach trails
BRB-Be Right Back
BTPC-Behind The Power Curve
BTW-By The Way
DLAFAROTFWD-Drinking Like A Fish And Rolling On The Floor When Drunk
FWIW-For What It?s Worth
HYOH-Hike Your Own Hike
IMHO-In My Humble Opinion
IMNSHO-In My Not So Humble Opinion.
IMO-In My Opinion
JMO-Just My Opinion
LMAO-Laughing My Ass off
LMBO-Laughing My Butt off
LWTIME-Laughing With Tears In My Eyes
MLC-Mid-Life Crisis
MTMI-Much Too Much Information
MUDS-Mindless Ups and Downs
NM-No Message
NOMO-No Message or No More
OBE-Overcome By Events
OMG-Oh My God
OTOH-On The Other Hand
PEBKAC-Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair
PUDS-Pointless Ups and Downs
ROFLMAO-Rolling On Floor Laughing My A** Off
ROTFL-Rolling On The Floor Laughing
ROTLMAO-Rolling On Trail Laughing My A**Off
RTFM-Read The F***ing Manual
SIC-So, in conclusion
SRPOS-Shink Wrapped Piece Of S**t
TEOTWAWKI-The End Of The World As We Know It (pronounced tee-awt-waw-key)
TIA-Thanks in Advance
TMI-Too Much Information
TMTOWTDI-There's More Than One Way To Do It (UNIX)
TTFE-Ta Ta ForEver
TTFN-Ta Ta For Now
White Blazer-AT Hiker
YALN-Yet Another Linux Newbie
Yellow Blazer-Goes by road!
YMMV-Your Mileage May Vary
YOMV-Your Opinion May Vary
YTBMV-Your Taste Buds May Vary

Astronomical Types:
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FREDs-Fast-Rise, Exponential-Decay (GRBs)
MACHOs-Massively Compact Halo Objects
WIMPs-Weakly Interacting Massive Particles
GUT-Grand Unified Theory
Misc:
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AWB-Average White Band”

“Thanks Kleety, I wondered what some of those meant!”

“LMFAO”

“Nah, nah!!!

I'm going to Campmor on Saturday!!!

Its been three years since I hade the Holy Hajj.

Whoa, Paramus........

Violin-
That's a good idea

Next thing ya know those handicapped bastids will want FREE oil and lube and tire changes.”

“Oh, that'd be TWO years since I made the pilgrimage.”

“Hey, they've got the new version of my pack in that catalogue! It's that Lowe Netherworld ND for $139. I like the old version better, more outside pockets. But at least Lowe still puts exterior pockets on their internal packs. Gotta have the pockets!”

“Kleetn, don't forget the all-important:
TLA - Three Letter Acronym”

“What about Hillary's actions during President Bush's speech after the attack? Rolling her eyes?!? Talking while the President spoke?!? Her applause was not even half hearted it was forced.

She is the New York Senator?”

“I think Rudy could run for Pope right now and win. It'd be nice to see him run against Hillary next time. He'd beat her like a redheaded step child.”

“She could use his infidelity against him.

Gufffffaaaawwwwww”

“people sure love to pass the blame. for those of you who belittle what happened down to a republican/ democrat/ clinton/ bush/ reagan/ carter analysis, you're missing the point and none of us know the whole story. so much for unity when there's someone to blame.”

“So what is your point, jmitch?”

“Clinton is to blame for everything. No Republican president has ever affected the U.S. in a negative way by their domestic or foreign policy.
In fact, when all of the "liberals end up in h-ll, they will be greeted by Bill Clinton.
On the other hand, all "right wing" folks will be floating on clouds, basking in the glow of Ronald Reagan, who has replaced God.”

“dun, I don't think anyone finds total fault with Clinton, but you Clinton appologists continue to ignore his culpability of anything.”

“Clinton had the means, intelligence, and option of sending US Troops to get Bin Laden.”

“Bush had the means, intelligence, and option of sending US Troops to get Saddam. Reagan had the means, intelligence, and option of sending US Troops to get Khaddafi.”

“No, bacpac, you miss the point. Yes, there is no doubt that you can blame Clinton for a laundry list of failures. Or, you could choose to blame Bush, Sr. Or, you could choose to blame Reagan. The list goes back to Washington, I'm sure. However, I haven't seen the threads putting the blame on the two presdents preceding Clinton, although they have much responsibility in this matter.
I'm asking why, at the time when we are asking for unity, are the Clinton-bashers so disingenuous and irresponsible as to start a thread such as this.
I know, I know, it's just troll bait...”

“cause they're idiots?

timing is everything”

“Dun, because I have walked the walk.”

“Yeah, OK
You lost me there pal”

“Clearly”

“bacpac, me amigo, put some substance to that last statement about walking the walk, and why that would be a reason to be bashing the ex-president at this time.”

“Clinton?, I like him.”

“Sadly, I have to admit to thinking that it is probably a good thing that Clinton was not president at the time the WTC was destroyed by the terrorists. The rabid Clinton haters would be once again putting hate of Clinton before love of country and Clinton would have been savaged for waiting this long to drop bombs and for not dropping more.

Whats worse is that Clinton might have caved under that pressure and gone of half cocked. I never liked or trusted the guy, its just that the Clinton haters were worse.”

“Something I have found interesting is that I haven?t heard a single liberal supporter stating they still wish Gore would have won the election. In fact I have heard some saying they are now glad Bush won. This isn?t a slam on libs, just an observation.

No one makes war quite like a republican, ey?”

“Nigal: I think that even those people who profoundly distrust Bush know that this is not the time to be bashing him or wishing Gore was president. For better or worse, Bush is the only president we've got. People everywhere have put partisanship aside.

On September 11th, people did post negatively about Bush -- and bemoaned being stuck with him as president and attacked his legitimacy. Others pointed out that this was not the time to do that.

Its not the time for Democrats or Republicans to be scoring big political points against each other. Recent history shows how damaging it is when one side uses a crisis as an opportunity to bash the other. No one wins that game.”

“True.”

“Well put, PedXing--and Nigal, you should be ashamed of yourself for trying to use our restraint and decorum against us.”

“No one makes MONEY on a war quite like a Republican!”

“War is a Republican make work project. Consider it part of their contribution to the social safety net in our country.”

“"and Nigal, you should be ashamed of yourself for trying to use our restraint and decorum against us."

I wasn't Tehipite. As I clearly stated above, "This isn?t a slam on libs, just an observation." It's an observation on my part because I have never experienced in my 32 years where the left was silent for so long.

Don't get so emotional T. I don't care if someone is in the democratic party, communist party, republican party, or the wife swapping party. A person's politics are their own and they don't offend me.”

“Oh geez, somebody had to drag Gore in to this. I read this weekend where the airlines and the FAA shot down a report by a commission headed by Gore in 1997 recommending screening all passengers with a computerized profiling system, better security inspections, vulnerability assessments of airports *yadda, yadda*. Anyway, if they'd not been dumped by the cheap-ass airlines, they may have kept the terrorists off the planes and prevented the WTC tragedy.”

“Al Gore?, I like him!”

“The "regular" who is trolling as O. Bin Laden could use some attention. His lame attempts at wittiness just aren't getting the desired response. Anyone?”

“"War is a Republican make work project." Now there is as intelligent a comment as we'll get from some liberals. Let's all forget history and who was in office when we got into WW2, Korea, and Vietnam, and we can blame it on the republicans. Yeah, that's the ticket.

Excuse me while I wipe the drool from my chin. What a stupid comment.

'Course then there's Tommy T. I always expect a brain drain when I read his posts.”