One Wicked Saw

“GYOKUCHO, BlueHard Komane, .045-240 No. S65 straight from Japan”

“are you talking about the S651 shown here: 651 Saw ?

If so I would match my 21 inch Corona against it any day for trail maintenance (grin). Yeah I know the S651 is not for trail maintenance.”

“Anybody know how much it weighs?”

“It looked different than that one.. not sure.. might be a slightly different model?

That thing was wikked.”

“Does it come with a blade cover?”

“I wondered that also. They're not too hard to make if it doesn't.”

“Yeah, they have a blade cover.”

“So what makes this saw any more wicked than other saws? Also, is this a outdoors/backpacking saw? The website looks to be more about finish carpentry hand saws.”

“why carry a saw, at all? geez!”

“heh.. well my only exposure to woods saws were the old boy scout days and bow saws.. so I was soo impressed with how quickly we had a huge pile of wood.”

“Doesn't a pull saw take far less energy, effort and strength to use than a push saw? Isn't it just working smarter instead of harder?”

“hey... to each their own.. I just know I was impressed..

I think you are right tho.. it seems counter-intuitive.. pushing versus pulling.”

“note the Corona I was referring to is a saw that cuts on the pull stroke. As to whether it is easier - generally I think that is so for small to medium size wood - for large wood a foot or more in diameter I think I still prefer my traditional crosscut saw which cuts on both strokes but when being used single ended mainly cuts on the push stroke - it does take some skill to get the cut going smooth with out binding but that is just a matter of practice.”

“I thought we were talking about the M247, oh well. Pull saws are really nice for detail cutting, especially in furnature makeing and cutting mouldings.”

“I have seen this same saw twice now.. sklukaz?.. remember?

Bob, Andy and Blaine had one over at Mollie's Ridge.”

“why carry a saw, at all? geez!”

“For trail maintenance!

It looked to me that this saw would cut on the push and the pull. Does anyone actually ownone of these saws?”

“i was waiting for someone to say "firewood", so we could lynch the bonehead.”

“You don't need a saw if you never drag a LOG out of the woods and need to cut it up for firewood.

but hey.. I do.. and luv a good hot fire.”

“I'm sorry I ruined your fun. Just call me killjoy.”

“Ooo wait! GET TOWNDAWG!!!”

“tree killer!”

“A push saw is easier than a pull saw. A push-pull saw is something only a woman would consider.”

“All of these saws look like they weigh a lot more than a bow saw.”

“So does your water filter just filter on the push Bacpac?”

“Yes”

“Mine does on the push and the pull. Bet I could filter a gallon of water faster than you could.”

“I contend that your filter does not filter on the pull.

A filter draws dirty water in on the pull. The dirty water is filtered on the push.”

“dirty water drawer!”

“Check out the First Need Deluxe. Click on First Need filters and then scroll down to the deluxe.
You can contend all you want, it's true!General Ecology”

“Damnit! Radagast...”

“HeeHEE! I did it! Eat furballs Fuzzpac!”

“Man, all this pushin' an' pullin' goin' on in here, I'm gettin' excited!”

“Hey Nigal, how am I supposed to give you that THING you wanted if you don't come hiking in Nov? You know what happens when I mail stuff to you!”

“FIREWOOD is not a nasty word. There are plenty of DOWNED trees around.. no need to CUT ONE DOWN.. don't be jumping on me...

:)

hey.. call it woods maintenance.”

“maple murderer!”

“And you can flip pancakes with it too!!”

“I looked at the delux. I didn't see where it filtered on the in and out.”

“I don't have a problem with fires. If I find a fire ring at a campsite, I will use it.

I don't think a saw is such a good idea though, becuase it would encourage you to use larger wood that might take a real long time to completely burn.”

“Im the one that brought the saw on our trip with towndawg, and yes it does cut both ways, it will cut a 5 inch peice of DEAD wood in less than 15-20 strokes!
Weight is 6.2 oz thats all!!!”

“it also ha stwo different size blades on it .
1 for hard wood and 2 for softer wood.
The hard wood side has alot more larger define teeth and the other is razer shape!!

Specs:
RAZORSAW (combination saw for hardwoods)
9/22 Teeth/inch
Stock #19.650.0
240mm 0.45mm 1.3mm”

“Prowler - what's the word - is it the same saw as mentioned on the link above ? ie the S651?”

“Ya basically the same just about! It is alittle larger of a blade thow! Does the one you posted have double side blades on it?”

“It has a double sided, 8 and a half inch blade.”

“Bacpac, I dont expect you to believe me but here goes...I just got our first need out and YES IT PUMPS AND PURIFIES ON THE PUSH AND PULL STROKE. Perhaps these handy cut/paste quotes from their website will help...

"Quick, Easy & Convenient- no chemicals, hold time, double pumping"

"Double Action Pump: top rated fast flow rate· field serviceable. "

Who knows how its done, but it is. If you like I can ask some TTers who we are hiking with to verify.”

“What is double pumping? When does it draw water?

I am not convinced.”

“I think double pumping is done as follows:
1.) instead of 2 check valves (1 inflow and 1 out flow) at the bottom of the cylinder there are 4 check valves - 1 in and 1 out at top also. 2.) the piston rod is through a water seal instead of being effectively open in the single action case 3.) the piston itself establishes two pressure chambers - one at the bottom of the cylinder the same as in the single action pump case and one in the top - as piston goes down water is forced through filter through the bottom outflow check valve while at the same time water is being pulled in through the top inflow check valve - when the piston changes directionthose two check valves close and the other two open allowing water to be pulled into the bottom part of the cylinder and to be forced through the filter from the top part of the cylinder. The key item in this is that there is a seal blocking water flow around the rod that drives the piston - it is this seal that probably is the item most prone to failure but what the heck - its a hand pump and one is not going to be running thousands of gallons through it in normal operation.”