NRA supports terrorists

“Okay - No Colon Powell jokes!

Am I going to have to post those Tim Cavanagh lyrics aGain...? Alright, just a link this time.”

“"God forbid I would be allowed to defend myself against a terrorist attack."
Bison
01:32:36 PM

Well, in that case maybe we should be allowed to own Bradley fighting vehicles, rocket launchers and anti-aircraft weapons.”

“I'm putting sandbags around my computer as we speak!”

“Sandbags won't do any good against my bunker buster bombs.”

“All Carlyle Group investors get a coupon good for One free Bradley Fighting Vehicle, <G>

To hell with those wimpy Hummers!”

“Don't make me drop a MOAB on your a$$.”

“Two orders of hot wings and three beers...now THERE is a bunker buster!”

“Your bunker buster bombs are nothing against my ICBMW's (Inter-Continental Ballistic Missile Winnebagos)”

“That ain't no damn MOAB.


THIS is a MOAB:

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“OMG Tilt made me laugh, wtf is the world coming to.”

“March 8, 2005

Terror Suspects Buying Firearms, U.S. Report Finds

By ERIC LICHTBLAU

WASHINGTON, March 7 - Dozens of terror suspects on federal watch lists were allowed to buy firearms legally in the United States last year, according to a Congressional investigation that points up major vulnerabilities in federal gun laws.

People suspected of being members of a terrorist group are not automatically barred from legally buying a gun, and the investigation, conducted by the Government Accountability Office, indicated that people with clear links to terrorist groups had regularly taken advantage of this gap.

Since the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, law enforcement officials and gun control groups have voiced increasing concern about the prospect of a terrorist walking into a gun shop, legally buying an assault rifle or other type of weapon and using it in an attack.

The G.A.O. study offers the first full-scale examination of the possible dangers posed by gaps in the law, Congressional officials said, and it concludes that the Federal Bureau of Investigation "could better manage" its gun-buying records in matching them against lists of suspected terrorists.

F.B.I. officials maintain that they are hamstrung by laws and policies restricting the use of gun-buying records because of concerns over the privacy rights of gun owners.

At least 44 times from February 2004 to June, people whom the F.B.I. regards as known or suspected members of terrorist groups sought permission to buy or carry a gun, the investigation found.

In all but nine cases, the F.B.I. or state authorities who handled the requests allowed the applications to proceed because a check of the would-be buyer found no automatic disqualification like being a felon, an illegal immigrant or someone deemed "mentally defective," the report found.

In the four months after the formal study ended, the authorities received an additional 14 gun applications from terror suspects, and all but 2 of those were cleared to proceed, the investigation found. In all, officials approved 47 of 58 gun applications from terror suspects over a nine-month period last year, it found.

The gun buyers came up as positive matches on a classified internal F.B.I. watch list that includes thousands of terrorist suspects, many of whom are being monitored, trailed or sought for questioning as part of terrorism investigations into Islamic-based, militia-style and other groups, official said. G.A.O. investigators were not given access to the identities of the gun buyers because of those investigations.

The report is to be released on Tuesday, and an advance copy was provided to The New York Times.

Senator Frank R. Lautenberg, Democrat of New Jersey, who requested the study, plans to introduce legislation to address the problem in part by requiring federal officials to keep records of gun purchases by terror suspects for a minimum of 10 years. Such records must now be destroyed within 24 hours as a result of a change ordered by Congress last year. Mr. Lautenberg maintains that the new policy has hindered terrorism investigations by eliminating the paper trail on gun purchases.

"Destroying these records in 24 hours is senseless and will only help terrorists cover their tracks," Mr. Lautenberg said Monday. "It's an absurd policy."

He blamed what he called the Bush administration's "twisted allegiances" to the National Rifle Association for the situation.

The N.R.A. and gun rights supporters in Congress have fought - successfully, for the most part - to limit the use of the F.B.I.'s national gun-buying database as a tool for law enforcement investigators, saying the database would amount to an illegal registry of gun owners nationwide.

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“The West wasn't won with a registered gun!”

“I'd much rather have freedom and privacy at the risk of terrorists buying weapons than have a Big Brother FBI/BATF trampeling my freedoms.”

“I love it; the Right accuses the ACLU for supporting terrorist suspects because they should have access to a lwayer, but the NRA is Patriotic for allowing them to have guns!
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“And you had the audacity to lecture me about 9/11, Oryx. F-cking hypocrite...

Click! This dude's gone.”

“I've seen deep division in "the Right" on the issue of lawyers for terrorist suspects and detention without charges and stuff. It's not so black and white.”

“Treebeard - good. You were the first to make my twitfile on this site. Your ad hominem attacks and general nasty attitude toward people with facts that contradict your worldview was the reason. I no longer will click to see what you've posted.”

“Awww, you're just trying to make me feel good!!!


You are a clueless little peckerhead from freakin' Iowa! Stay there, please!!!”

“"I no longer will click to see what you've posted.”

Having someone on ignore and not clicking on their post is like saying "I'm not gonna masterbate anymore.". Don't try to kid us and just give in to it. LOL!”

“Nope, no emotional outbursts on this site. ;-)”

“Did he declare victory yet, Nigal?

And put his little laugh out loud tag on it yet?

What a dipsh_t!”

“LOL @ Nigal. Nah, he doesn't seem to be one of the site's better or more knowledgeable debaters. No big loss.”

“Now let's not put ol' Nigal in the middle here. If treeB has any deficiencies in debating (not my call btw) he has earned my respect for no other reason than his passion.”

“Passion? Argument from emotion? How can you respect that? It's one of the fundamental downfalls of liberalthink.”

“It's black and white; Oryx supports guns for terrorists!”

““Passion? Argument from emotion? How can you respect that? It's one of the fundamental downfalls of liberalthink.”

I’ve been fighting with Treebeard sense christ was a kid. We have gotten into some knock down drag out fights. We have both done and said some nasty chit to each other. We have both engaged in emotional arguments. We’re also the same in our equitability towards others. We both slip from time to time depending upon which one of us is on the rag that day. What he believes in what he believes in, for whatever reason that may be, and will always say so. If through a respectful exchange he sees he is wrong he’s the first one to say so. There are few people here who have more reason to have washed their hands to me than treeB. But he hasn’t.

I think simply because I’ve known him so long I am able to disagree with the little liberal shlt and still respect him at the end of the day. :)”

“Yes - let's just arm those who want to kill us - great debate position.”

“At least he has an origanal perspective and doesn't just cut and paste. Unlike your lockstep views.”

“Ah Nigal - there you go hurting my feelings again. I'm truly crushed.

pffttt!
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“Everyone sure is pissy today.”

“Well put, Nigal. It is pretty truthful. This guy is just not open-minded at all, so I don't suspect it will register...”

““Everyone sure is pissy today.”
StoveStomper
12:36:21 PM
3/08/05
ignore this user

I blame it on bad water.”

“Stovie. I always talk this way to Oryx. Now, you? That's a different story! moohaaahaaahaaahaaa!!!!”

“If you'd all just stick to the issues we may actually be able to solve this intellectual dilemma right here and now in this thread.

Focus people - Focus!”

“Stove Stomper states the obviouse once again!

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“LOL”

“OMG, he's drinking his own urine!”

“Where's Tinkle Drinker at!?”

“Since when did being a suspected terrorist make you a terrorist? You're not guilty of a crime until you commit one. Therefore even people with Middle Eastern heritage have certain inalienable rights, no matter what the government thinks of them. It's just another gun grab ploy by the Feds and "let's accuse the NRA with something new this week." Same $hit, different day.”

“"Same $hit, different day.”

That pretty much sums up Violink to the T.”

“WASHINGTON (AP) -- The National Rifle Association is urging the Bush administration to withdraw its support of a bill that would prohibit suspected terrorists from buying firearms.

Backed by the Justice Department, the measure would give the attorney general the discretion to block gun sales, licenses or permits to terror suspects.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/05/04/nra.terror.ap/index.html”

“"In a letter this week to Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, NRA executive director Chris Cox said the bill, offered last week by Sen. Frank Lautenberg, D-New Jersey, "would allow arbitrary denial of Second Amendment rights based on mere 'suspicions' of a terrorist threat."




If you outlawed mentally defective gun owners, the NRA would not exist.”

“(expletive deleted)”

“Since when did we start punish someone or limiting someone's rights based on assumptions and not convictions? Has the federal government been responsible with administering suspicion in the past?”

“Since when? Gitmo sound familiar?”

“or Waco??”

“Wire tapping, Feds checking you library records, airport searches, profiling.......”

“All those are not rights protected under the Constitution. And do we really want the federal government deciding exactly who and what a terrorist is? How hard would it be for the government to declare any old group that opposes it a "terrorist" group?

This is the price of freedom folks. Most times the erosion of freedom is slow and sometimes they go for big chunks at a time like the Patriot Act.”

“I also think this act is about as smart as curbing crime with gun control. Seriously now, what frickin' terrorist is going to legally buy guns?

Terrorist #1: Hey Haji, wanna buy some sweet guns? There all clean and untraceble.

Terrorist #2: No no Mohamad, we must follow the law and buy our guns legally.

Like some terrorist wants a big old paper trail leading right back to him through a back ground check. Which of course brings up another point; say some guy on the terrorist watch list buys a gun. Wouldn't this give the feds a great lead on the guy?

Moronic...”

“You have got to be kidding me! Just who decides who is suspicious of being a terrorist? I make a phone call to Kuwait City 3 days ago and today I want to buy a pistol, so I must be a terrorist right? Oh ya, I'm a life member in the NRA so instead of just not letting me make my purchase they will be firebombing my house tonight just incase.
Idiots.”