TERRORIST CAPTURED!

““ped...its a WAR. See A WAR is not a feel good game of Whatever...it is a game where the object is to Break Things and Kill people. The side who breaks more things and kills more people...WINS.”
XL400236
8:45:40 PM
6/20/06

Actually, XL - the problem is that it's not just a war. The war part was easy and done very well. The problem is Bush wants to nation build and he wants to control the outcome and maintain some hegemenony. He wants to make Iraq governable and he wants to make it goverened in a way thats friendly to the U.S. - that can't be done as a war. You don't build a nation by blowing up things and killing people. If it was just a war, we could bomb the heck out of every village in the Sunni triangle that was a source of resistance, decimate much of Iraq and leave and then come back and blow it all to heck if things got out of hand. For better or worse, that's not the game were playing.

Personally, I think we would have been better off sticking with the reinstated inspections - and once we were in, we'd have been better off stopping declaring victory and letting the Iraqi's sort the rest out.”

“maybe you should run for president then, or spend your career in the state department or the military. Then you could do something about your how you think the solution should be brought about.”

“The side who breaks more things and kills more people...WINS.”


Hence our Victory in Vietnam.”

“Pedx, pedx, pedx.........

Dude, get a grip. That is violin with all his past history of outright lying and spinning you are defending.

Why anyone would do anything but laugh at his trolling is beyond me.

LOL”

“Bush already celebrated the end of combat. Every thing from then on is a police effort-new rules or is this another non-war that's a war that isn't? Or, did he say the carrier landing announced the occupation had begun.
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“""Personally, I think we would have been better off sticking with the reinstated inspections - and once we were in, we'd have been better off stopping declaring victory and letting the Iraqi's sort the rest out.”"
Pedxing.

AH yes the famed leftist History Revision...INGSOC SPEAK. OKAY LETS GO THROUGH THIS AGAIN.

INSPECTIONS, total, complete, without reservation were agreed to in 1991 when we stopped short of finishing the job. They were NEVER ALLOWED. We had been kicked OUT. There was NO chance we were getting back in. Ped. That is like saying, "Well you know when the rapist takes a break and gives us the location of the Child he has kidnapped we will check on her welfare."

Guys this is part of a giant WORLD WAR. kinda like say...oh the Philippeans in World War II....we are fighting foriegn terrorists...(HELL THEY CAN'T even get their own people). IF we do not stop it here, then where do we stop it? NY city? Los Angeles, Washington DC?

I still wonder how the war would be progressing if Fallujah John Murtha and his ilk were not trying for their 15 minutes of fame.

In Somalia we taught them we could not take casualties...if (and granted it would not have mattered to that criminal) we had leveled the city area where the Rangers were attacked. If we looked at each charge of abuse and FRIED the people turning them in.”

“In a drought the CARROT patch dries up and trees get dry and the STICKS start falling to the ground .”

“XL - Wow! Did you forget that inspections were re-established while we were planning the invasion the inspectors were reporting good cooperation?”

“Also, you seem to be forgetting the lesson Reagan taught 'em in Lebanon about our ability to take casualities?”

“XL - it's not a world war by any meaning of the word. If you claim it is a world war then you are not fighting terrorists.

You also seem to be getting the war on terror and the invasion of Iraq confused, like the Administration did I guess.”

“Y2 Al Qaeda was in Iraq...the 9/11 commision established that...MI6 with the Brits established that. EVEN SADDAMS own people established it was a training and support post for the Terrorists.

Now as to the claim inspections had restarted....please some real evidence. As I remember they had LEFT for good months before the war started. Granted the French said it was happeneing...but they were getting bribed left and right. As for UN claims...want to talk OIL for FOOD?

Sorry this is a World War. US, Canada, Indonesia, Bali, India, Saudi Arabia, England, France, Spain, Italy, Afghanistan, Sri Lanka, Australia...name it they are turning up there....if that is not a WORLD WAR...don't know what is.”

“Now as to the claim inspections had restarted....please some real evidence. As I remember they had LEFT for good months before the war started.”
XL400236
1:59:37 PM
6/21/06

I'm really stunned. How did it escape your attention? Check out the U.S. State Department's Official website for its timeline of Iraq. Start with November, 2002 and go through March, 16 of 2003.

Note also that 3 days before the U.S. led invasion, it was confirmed that Iraq had destroyed 70 missles that the U.N. had demanded Iraq destroy.”

“I think you can see why they make personal attacks ped. Once they start engaging on substance, you see they live in a fantasy world.”

“But to date we have seen no evidence that these or the earlier contacts ever developed into a collaborative relationship. Nor have we seen evidence indicating that Iraq cooperated with al Qaeda in developing or carrying out any attacks against the United States.
- http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report.pdf”

“OH DARN. I expect Violin and Y2 and Pedex to send an apology to Sarge (LOL)


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200499,00.html


Seems THEY DID HAVE WMD's THAT HAD NOT...REPEAT NOT been destroyed.”

“Interesting subject change XL.

Funny that Fox and some Repubs would try to turn this evidence into a vindication. The guy it vindicates is Scott Titter, and the folks in the UN committee. All you need do in think through the evidence and check out the other link Sarge has sent. Here's how I responded to his email on this:

The Fox link doesn't work. Second, the other link says "A Pentagon official who confirmed the findings said that all the weapons were pre-1991 vintage munitions "in such a degraded state they couldn't be used for what they are designed for." Charles Duelfer, who seems to be trying to raise some alarm, undercuts his case: "Last year the head of Iraq Survey Group, Charles Duelfer, said that insurgents in Iraq had already used old chemical weapons in their attacks." If these were dangerous WMDs that had been used in these attacks - they'd have done some major damage - seems they haven't.

Note also that all this is consistent with what folks like Scott Ritter said a few years back, that there was probably stuff left but it was badly degraded and no threat. He said: "There’s no doubt Iraq hasn’t fully complied with its disarmament obligations as set forth by the Security Council in its resolution. But on the other hand, since 1998 Iraq has been fundamentally disarmed: 90-95% of Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction capacity has been verifiably eliminated… We have to remember that this missing 5-10% doesn’t necessarily constitute a threat… It constitutes bits and pieces of a weapons program which in its totality doesn’t amount to much, but which is still prohibited… We can’t give Iraq a clean bill of health, therefore we can’t close the book on their weapons of mass destruction. But simultaneously, we can’t reasonably talk about Iraqi non-compliance as representing a de-facto retention of a prohibited capacity worthy of war."

If you are looking for someone who said there was nothing, it ain't me. My position was that there was some, that some would probably be found, and that the threat was way way overhyped.”

“Seems THEY DID HAVE WMD's THAT HAD NOT...REPEAT NOT been destroyed.

Sen Rick Santorum (R-Pa) and Rep. Peter Hoekstra (R-MI) held a press conference yesterday to announce that weapons of mass destruction had been found in Iraq, only to have their claims flatly disavowed by the U.S. Department of Defense.

Santorum and Hoekstra were talking about the degraded and inoperable remnants of Saddam's pre-1991 chemical weapons program that are turning up at various sites around Iraq. Their allegations are based on the U.S. government's own Iraq Survey Group. The very same report convinced President Bush that Iraq did not have WMD.

The DOD flatly disavowed the Congressmen's WMD claims. Fox News’ Jim Angle contacted the Defense Department who quickly disavowed Santorum and Hoekstra’s claims. A Defense Department official told Angle flatly that the munitions hyped by Santorum and Hoekstra are “not the WMD’s for which this country went to war.”

Uhhh, you were saying?”

“Little Ricky Santorum knows he's toast this fall save something dramatic. The latest Quinnipiac poll has him trailing 52 - 34: http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x11385.xml?ReleaseID=927”

“LOL ...Mutt, Guys we need to get away from Page 373 of the Democratic Socialist PlayBook....just making you look stupid.

Hey since we never found Hitler....does that mean we never REALLY won the Second World War?”

“Sorry XL - where's your apology? ;op”

“He's working on his retraction *er* clarification now. Problem is he's sharing a computer with StoveStomper, who is trying to finish his essay on the Dixie Chicks and patriotism.”

“That reminds me, I gotta get that Neil Young album "Living With War" and maybe even Dixie Chicks.

Though I'm not a real fan of The Chicks' music, these are both artists worth supporting.”

“Come on...lets get away from the revisionisim. I realize that most of the left decisions are made on EMOTION. Emotion does not require logic...it just is. And I am sorry if I throw nasty little truths at your Potemkin Villages....but that is reality. The reality is the War in Iraq is just, approved by the UN something like 5 times, it is successful (heck more successful than the rebuilding of Chocolate City). The only reason Daily KOS and the DY hate it is that it is a Republican in the Office. Had you had a gutsy Dem up there...it woudl have been Kosovo all over again...we could go in UNILATERALLY (NO, ZIP, ZERO, NADA in UN Approval) bomb the crap out of them and Fallujah John (OH CRAP I WAS AN UNIDICTED COCONSIPIRATOR IN ABSCAM) Murtha would have been cheering like Jimuh Carter at a rape of American Soveriegnty.”

“Very original Durwood.”

“"I realize that most of the left decisions are made on EMOTION."

Wow, that's exactly what Limbaugh said!

"...a rape of American Soveriegnty."

Fantasy......revisionism”

“Emotion....so Limbaugh is copying me....ah well it is good to know he is setting his sights higher...

And yes, Soveriegnty...you know...400 some odd days of watching some third world camel power thumb their noses at us and threaten us. JIMUH was as competent a President as he was a Sub Officer.”

“Hmmm XL: You get presented you with facts you can't get around and presented by the Department of State and Department of Defense and you go off into an incoherent (and intensensely emotional) tear on emotionalism.

This gets curioser and curioser.
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“And yes, Soveriegnty...you know...5 some odd years of watching some third world camel power thumb their noses at us and threaten us. Shrub was as competent a President as he was a pilot. He sure looked good in that flight suit, though.”

“So Mutt - the DOD is using liberal media Jedi Spin?”

“Kleetn...you are right as long as you discount the successes...I have chronicled them here...but I can again. The telling part is the information taken off Alzawhatever that reported over 40% of their force leadership has been wiped out. It also shows that 99% of their personnel are foriegn...SORRY but we are winning. It is killing you. I know. But we will win.”

“"It also shows that 99% of their personnel are foriegn..."

Yup!!

And they wouldn't be in Iraq if Dumbya had not ivaded.

Our people are being used as Al Qaida Bait.

This is not a comforting thought as the supply of "foreigners" is rather large.

There are something more than 400,000,000 Arabs of the roughly 1,000,000,000 Islamics in the world.”

“LOL..MarkO..another failed line from the playbook....IT HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED time and again that Al Qaeda was IN IRAQ, being trained and coached when we went in. Come on....there are a dozen threads here where that same sophistic argument has been shot down.

As for the supply it was also noted in the documents taken from the body that overall operations were suffering. MarkO the only way we can lose this war is the way we lost Vietnam...it was not lost by the men whose names are on the Black Granite Wall...but by the JACKA$$E$ at the other end of the Mall.”

“I'd love to see the evidence that there was more Al-Qeda in Iraq (exluding the area controlled by the Kurds and in the US no fly zone) prior to the invasion than there was in Europe, or even in England or Germany.”

“BTW: XL what say ye about the last two subjects we covered?”

“StoveStomper, who is trying to finish his essay on the Dixie Chicks and patriotism.”
kleetn
1:25:21 PM
6/22/06

LMAO!!!!”

“SO you agree that AlQaeda was a threat WORLD WIDE......so um when the Allies went into say...Libya...in the 1940s' there were only Italians..(GERMANS came in later) so going into North Africa actually incited the Nazis...Okay I see it now. It is all the fault of Churchill and Roosevelt.

We need a formal letter of apology to the Nazis for dragging them into Africa. And Might as well apologise to the Italians since they did nothing to the US (other than be France's Counterpart for the Axis)...

Basic military training here...you normally send your troops to where the combat is going on...see if you don't send troops to the fighting...um WELL YOU LOSE.

IT has been established that AlQaeda was in Iraq prior to the war. Iraq was a sponsor of terrorisim they failed to abide by the surrender documents in 1991..BOOM we go in, AlQaeda send their troops in...we turn them into hamburger.

OH see where there are free elections being held in Kuwait. (Granted a YEAR and a HALF after IRAQ had theirs). IF Bush 41 had followed your Carteresque advice...they would be able to vote 100% for Saddam Hussein (ref James Taranto Opinion Journal.com)”

“Wow XL - you change the subject every time.

Remember with Iraq when we went to war, we had inspections, they were destroying missles the UN demanded that they destroy, and we had no fly zones over huge portions of Iraq. Their economy was crippled. It's not like we were letting them roll tanks into other countries. We had 'em hemmed in pretty well and were pretty freely firing missles into there territory when ever we wanted to send a message. No appeasement there.”

“And of course Bush had several chances to kill al-Zarqawi before the invasion but he didn’t want to undermine his case for attacking Iraq: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4431601/”

“We here at the NSA have done some analysis of this XL400236's posts. There appears to be some very troubling subversive hidden words in his posts. It appears to be a very amateurish attempt at hiding (ALL CAPS for certain words in his posts) which we think may be code words for terroristic activities.
Here is an example:
SO WORLD WIDE GERMANS WELL YOU LOSE BOOM YEAR HALF IRAQ YO WASSUP I GWB

Please report any further activity by this suspected Al-Quaeda sympathizer immediately.

Eternal vigilance is the price we pay for freedom!
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“Did no one post this????

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14477489/”

“"alpa"?”

“WOW....now if it was a Air Chance (Air France) would they surrender in flight????”

“The point of terrorism is to cause terror, sometimes to further a political goal and sometimes out of sheer hatred. The people terrorists kill are not the targets; they are collateral damage. And blowing up planes, trains, markets or buses is not the goal; those are just tactics. The real targets of terrorism are the rest of us: the billions of us who are not killed but are terrorized because of the killing. The real point of terrorism is not the act itself, but our reaction to the act.

And we're doing exactly what the terrorists want.

Refuse to be Terrorized”

“I ain't afraid o' no ghost!”

“Mass murder in the skies: was the plot feasible?
By Thomas C Greene in Washington
Published Thursday 17th August 2006 09:42 GMT
Analysis The seventh angel poured out his bowl into the air;
And a loud voice came forth out of the temple of Heaven,
From the throne, saying, "It is done!"
--Revelation 16:17

Binary liquid explosives are a sexy staple of Hollywood thrillers. It would be tedious to enumerate the movie terrorists who've employed relatively harmless liquids that, when mixed, immediately rain destruction upon an innocent populace, like the seven angels of God's wrath pouring out their bowls full of pestilence and pain.


The funny thing about these movies is, we never learn just which two chemicals can be handled safely when separate, yet instantly blow us all to kingdom come when combined. Nevertheless, we maintain a great eagerness to believe in these substances, chiefly because action movies wouldn't be as much fun if we didn't.

Now we have news of the recent, supposedly real-world, terrorist plot to destroy commercial airplanes by smuggling onboard the benign precursors to a deadly explosive, and mixing up a batch of liquid death in the lavatories. So, The Register has got to ask, were these guys for real, or have they, and the counterterrorist officials supposedly protecting us, been watching too many action movies?

We're told that the suspects were planning to use TATP, or triacetone triperoxide, a high explosive that supposedly can be made from common household chemicals unlikely to be caught by airport screeners. A little hair dye, drain cleaner, and paint thinner - all easily concealed in drinks bottles - and the forces of evil have effectively smuggled a deadly bomb onboard your plane.

Or at least that's what we're hearing, and loudly, through the mainstream media and its legions of so-called "terrorism experts." But what do these experts know about chemistry? Less than they know about lobbying for Homeland Security pork, which is what most of them do for a living. But they've seen the same movies that you and I have seen, and so the myth of binary liquid explosives dies hard.

Better killing through chemistry
Making a quantity of TATP sufficient to bring down an airplane is not quite as simple as ducking into the toilet and mixing two harmless liquids together.

First, you've got to get adequately concentrated hydrogen peroxide. This is hard to come by, so a large quantity of the three per cent solution sold in pharmacies might have to be concentrated by boiling off the water. Only this is risky, and can lead to mission failure by means of burning down your makeshift lab before a single infidel has been harmed.

But let's assume that you can obtain it in the required concentration, or cook it from a dilute solution without ruining your operation. Fine. The remaining ingredients, acetone and sulfuric acid, are far easier to obtain, and we can assume that you've got them on hand.

Now for the fun part. Take your hydrogen peroxide, acetone, and sulfuric acid, measure them very carefully, and put them into drinks bottles for convenient smuggling onto a plane. It's all right to mix the peroxide and acetone in one container, so long as it remains cool. Don't forget to bring several frozen gel-packs (preferably in a Styrofoam chiller deceptively marked "perishable foods"), a thermometer, a large beaker, a stirring rod, and a medicine dropper. You're going to need them.

It's best to fly first class and order Champagne. The bucket full of ice water, which the airline ought to supply, might possibly be adequate - especially if you have those cold gel-packs handy to supplement the ice, and the Styrofoam chiller handy for insulation - to get you through the cookery without starting a fire in the lavvie.

Easy does it
Once the plane is over the ocean, very discreetly bring all of your gear into the toilet. You might need to make several trips to avoid drawing attention. Once your kit is in place, put a beaker containing the peroxide / acetone mixture into the ice water bath (Champagne bucket), and start adding the acid, drop by drop, while stirring constantly. Watch the reaction temperature carefully. The mixture will heat, and if it gets too hot, you'll end up with a weak explosive. In fact, if it gets really hot, you'll get a premature explosion possibly sufficient to kill you, but probably no one else.

After a few hours - assuming, by some miracle, that the fumes haven't overcome you or alerted passengers or the flight crew to your activities - you'll have a quantity of TATP with which to carry out your mission. Now all you need to do is dry it for an hour or two.

The genius of this scheme is that TATP is relatively easy to detonate. But you must make enough of it to crash the plane, and you must make it with care to assure potency. One needs quality stuff to commit "mass murder on an unimaginable scale," as Deputy Police Commissioner Paul Stephenson put it. While it's true that a slapdash concoction will explode, it's unlikely to do more than blow out a few windows. At best, an infidel or two might be killed by the blast, and one or two others by flying debris as the cabin suddenly depressurizes, but that's about all you're likely to manage under the most favorable conditions possible.

~snip!~

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/08/17/flying_toilet_terror_labs/print.html
last edited: 8/24/06 6:04:30 PM”

“The 12 Dutch "Terrorists" were determined to be of no threat.”

“Now don't you feel silly, bear? ;-)”