Typical Republican Hypocrisy

“And yet everyone here keeps rattling on and on about how the two parties (today) are supposedly different......that one party has the market cornered on corruption and the other has the market on goodness.....one party has ideas, the other offers nothing.....either you are all trolls or you all do an incredibly remarkable job of fooling yourselves. Ridiculous.”

“When one side, or the other is out of balance, action needs to be taken. It's part of our responsibilities as the tax paying public.

An A-Political stance is still a political stance. "None of the Above" and "throw all the bums out" has never solved anything. We just need to take a look at our own state as an example of that.”

“I agree, Noncon. You have an alternative?”

“Obviously, the ideal would be to create a third, fourth, fifth, etc. party.

However, our politics are in a strangle hold.

Viva la revolution!”

“Go ahead and start some more parties.”

“There are more parties in this country than we can shake a stick at. Most, if any of them, will never see any substantial amount of cash needed to be successful.

What we need is a change from this hybrid form "Roman" government, to a parliamentarian style of Democracy. This style will be allow for the Capitalist to still make some money, and the people to be afford the proper representation, and benefits of a Government that runs for the people, instead of by the Capitalist machines.”

“"Capitalist machines" aren't people?”

“Ah, the old "companies are people, too" argument.

If you cut a company with a knife, will it bleed? (not a metaphor, I mean literally).”

“ok, well, not sure how you cut a company with a knife. Try this, if a company as found guilty of a crime, isn't there a person going to jail.”

“Only if your name is Martha.”

“Blaming the media for loosing the support for this war is a typical cop-out. - laqtis

This whole thing has turned into such a cluster-phuck that its no wonder nobody can come up with a quick one. - laqtis

Amusing, and to mis-use a word, "ironic". You got the idea that Iraq is a "cluster-phuck" from the media, but the media is not to blame for the loss of support for the war.

Reminds me of Walter Kronkinte after the Tet offensive. Even though he was quite wrong, it pretty much set the public mood about the war.

And stooges like laqtis lapped it up then, as they are lapping it up now.
last edited: 4/27/07 2:21:05 PM”

“"ok, well, not sure how you cut a company with a knife."

Thus the HUGE hole in that argument. Trying to compare a company with a person is an inappropriate analogy.

You wanna argue how a bird and a plane are the same while we are at it?”

“"Amusing, and to mis-use a word, "ironic". You got the idea that Iraq is a "cluster-phuck" from the media, but the media is not to blame for the loss of support for the war."

lmao!

Assuming that I based my opinion on what I get from the media; rather than "knowing" that I based my opinion on the inability of BushCo to promote the supposed successes is truly -- an assumption and obnoxious. Please inform us just what exactly is my information evaluation process, Mutt?

I guess since you get your information "online" that it's purer. That's the joke I keep laughing at when people try to cite that. Just because you use a source, doesn't make it any purer than the other garbage out there.”

“A company is made up of people. A company employs people. A company pays dividends to people. A company is all about people. How can you not get that? Is it just too difficult a concept for you to grasp?”

“So what if you didn't get your perception from the MSM? The MSM is in fact portraying it as a "cluster-phuck", as you so neatly put it, and millions upon millions form their opinion from the 5 oclock news...
last edited: 4/27/07 2:31:17 PM”

“"Reminds me of Walter Kronkinte after the Tet offensive. Even though he was quite wrong, it pretty much set the public mood about the war."

Which proves my previous point. Nixon did not play the media correctly. He "lost" the war because of this.

Same with Bush. His ineptness in following this very basic tenet of war (even after the failure of Nixon) makes this crapola you guys try a shovel stink even more.

But then again, a "vast left wing conspiracy" line make is much more comforting to sleep at night. I mean, if everyone is against you, are your failures really your fault?”

“"A company is made up of people. A company employs people. A company pays dividends to people. A company is all about people. How can you not get that? Is it just too difficult a concept for you to grasp?"

The concept you cannot grasp is that your argument fails before it even gets out of the gate. Even using circular logic fallacy will not support that, "NoProb".

"So what if you didn't get your perception from the MSM? The MSM is in fact portraying it as a "cluster-phuck", as you so neatly put it, and millions upon millions form their opinion from the 5 oclock news..."

So what? The "what" is that you tried to paint me as a "sheeple", then quickly backed off when the actual information came out. Now where are you going with all of this jibberish? Is it about me, or the "millions flocking to the tube". Make up your mind.

You assume way too much, Mutt. It's your undoing.
last edited: 4/27/07 2:36:41 PM”

“LOL! Nigal.

Thanks, I forgot to include that part of my rant.”

“Same with Bush. His ineptness in following this very basic tenet of war (even after the failure of Nixon) makes this crapola you guys try a shovel stink even more. - laqtis

Yeah, Bush effed up that and much more. That still doesn't change the fact, though, that the situation in Iraq is much more complicated and less dire than the hopeless cluster-phuck portrayed by the MSM, the Defeatocrats, and the clueless.

The "what" is that you tried to paint me as a "sheeple", then quickly backed off when the actual information came out. - laqtis

Whatever - I concede the point. But my point is not limited to your individual case. I've heard a lot of the same sentiment from others as well, that blaming the media is a "cop-out". That's what I'm focusing on here. While it's not the full picture, the MSM very much is to blame for much of the "cluster-phuck" sentiment out there. And I imagine that people who think the war is hopeless got that from the MSM.
last edited: 4/27/07 2:53:35 PM”

“"I've heard a lot of the same sentiment from others as well, that blaming the media is a "cop-out". That's what I'm focusing on here."

Two things. First, personal experience is not fact. Second, you can not "focus" by trying to use generalizations to prove your point.

"While it's not the full picture, the MSM very much is to blame for much of the "cluster-phuck" sentiment out there."

The "MSM" will report what ever gets them ratings. If things were great guns over there, they'd be singing the praises of the almighty Bush; just as they were at the beginning. They are in it for ratings. BushCo. failed to see this simple thing that the rest of us know pretty much as fact.

You keep missing this fact: The MSM was with the action. "They" even pushed aside, or buried stories deep in the publication. Hell, I even saw last night a clip where Oprah herself got uppity with an audience member for questioning the war.

People like you need to go back and review the "tape". You guys are such proponents of correct information, aren't ya?

Go see at what point y'all lost the war. This isn't a Dem thing. They fell in line, right along with the rest of us and the media at the beginning. And to just think that Bush had the nuts during the '00 debates to say that he was "a uniter, not a divider".

I wonder just how much of those concerns people had about Bush back then have actually came true.”

“By parties, laqtis, I mean viable parties that could compete on a financial level with the other two. Hoepfully, serious campaign finance reform will help to balance the power over time.

Hey if not, "America's Next President" will. Bleh!”

““When one side, or the other is out of balance, action needs to be taken. It's part of our responsibilities as the tax paying public.

An A-Political stance is still a political stance. "None of the Above" and "throw all the bums out" has never solved anything. We just need to take a look at our own state as an example of that.”
laqtis
1:17:16 PM
4/27/07



They aren't out of balance. They are one in the same. That's what is so funny about the "trolling" that goes on here. The D's do what the R's do and vice versa. We don't have the guts to change it. We're too afraid. We're mired in the 'what are you going to do for me?' philosophy rather than the JFK 'what will you do for your country?' philosophy. We're too comfortable. We're too soft. Our elections are all about voting against someone instead of voting for someone.

Choosing a side is fine; pretending there is a difference between the two parties is not.”

“I'm not going to get sidetracked into disputing your assertion, so we'll just assume that you're correct about the MSM being "for" the war at first. So what? They've turned about-face. They're more negative than what a preponderance of the reporting/analysis is outside it.
last edited: 4/27/07 3:39:42 PM”

“"They aren't out of balance. They are one in the same."

Well, if we are to believe that they are one in the same, we are to believe that they are not keeping true to the values they were founded on. If they are not practicing the values they preach, they are out of balance.

"We don't have the guts to change it. We're too afraid. We're mired in the 'what are you going to do for me?' philosophy rather than the JFK 'what will you do for your country?' philosophy. We're too comfortable. We're too soft. Our elections are all about voting against someone instead of voting for someone."

Complete agreement in everything stated. The underling motivator in what you cite, is the apathy of the American taxpayer. Ultimately, it is we, the People, who are at fault; something I have professed time and time again.

Our government, much like the myths we are Americans follow (or do not), are a reflection of those who participate in them. When we, the people, get sloppy, bad things happen. The people have let things go.

Some people, like myself, see the short-term solution through joining opposition platforms that have cash in order to get at least some of the things they believed in passed.

It's too bad that it's a "product" of our current system to have to choose from the lesser evils, but who (and what) does that reflect on: Those in office, or the people who put them there?
last edited: 4/27/07 3:58:10 PM”

“"I'm not going to get sidetracked into disputing your assertion, so we'll just assume that you're correct about the MSM being "for" the war at first. So what?"

Not as informed as you claim you are? Again, assuming and not "knowing".

Whose the monkey in all this?

"They've turned about-face. They're more negative than what a preponderance of the reporting/analysis is outside it."

And what part of "selling the drama" don't you get?

You need to re-evaluate your points.”

“It's too bad that it's a "product" of our current system to have to choose from the lesser evils, but who (and what) does that reflect on: Those in office, or the people who put them there?
last edited: 4/27/07 5:58:10 PM”
laqtis
5:49:30 PM


Sadly Q, the enemy is us.”

“True, Noncon, the enemy is us. Somehow we have to seize power and become responsible for our own destinies. As inane as these threads are, I believe them to be a beginning in that growth process.”

“Ironic, and not in the context Mutt feebly tried to use it in, these lyrics where from Clintons time.

Perhaps you have forgotten what it was like to swing from trees.





and to love: a god
and to fear: a flame
and to burn a crowd that has a name
and to right or wrong
and to meek or strong
it is known, just scream it from the wall

I've willed, I've walked, I've read
I've talked, I know, I know,
I've been here before

hey, now we won't be raped
hey, now we won't be scarred like that

it's the sun that burns
it's the wheel that turns
it's the way we sing that makes 'em dream
and to Christ: a cross
and to me: a chair
I will sit and earn the ransom from up here”

“"Sadly Q, the enemy is us."

The power has always been with us. "Us" are those who decide which way this country will proceed.

"Us", are those who pay interest on our gasoline.

"Us", are those who don't want to get involved.

"Us", are those who feel better when it's them between you and me.

We are the people who have the power.

We are the people who must make sure no one is left behind.

We are the people who have the responsibility to the of the world that we elect leaders who are able to represent the American public in the formal and proper way.

Yes, "us" as "we" have failed.
last edited: 4/27/07 5:55:49 PM”

“Say, who's the pivot man in this here circle jerk? :)”

“You're just in time:)”

“I can't handle this honest attempt at solving problems. You guys are ruining 'TTs' reputation.”

“Just be certain you don't try it yourself.”

“"Say, who's the pivot man in this here circle jerk? :)”
Nigal
7:25:49 PM
4/27/07
ignore this user
“You're just in time:)”
Nimblefoot"


LMAO!

I guess the real question is:

Does nigal pitch, catch, or just sits back and lobs one off amongst the madness?”

“He's a verstile dude.”

“"He's a verstile dude."

And double-jointed, from what I hear.”

“what's the latest from the party of family values?

Republican Rep. Exposed Himself to Female Employee, Chased Her Screaming, "Suck It"

Another Republican sex scandal. Rep. David Almond (R-NC) is forced to resign after a "personal complaint" comes to light.”

“dang, hes a looker.

i bet XL would have done what he asked”

“THere it is again...that Gnat like buzzing....”

“Exposed Himself to Female Employee, Chased Her Screaming, "Suck It"



Oh c'mon, who here hasn't been in that situation??”

“LOL...Let me guess White House Videos from the previous administration?

Probably she was some trollop from a trailerpark...deserved to be raped (according to Hillary)
last edited: 7/13/07 8:49:10 AM”

“Are the Republicans lining up behind him saying "it's only sex" or suggesting that he be put in a position of leadership, like the Democrats would do if he was one of them?”

“chased her around the room yelling "Suck it, baby, suck it."

That's hilarious! There's a couple overweight bald guys here at work I can imagine doing something like that to their secretaries.”

“The Democrats usually don't run on a family values, I'm more religious than the other guy, platform.

You start claiming to have higher morals than the other guy, it better be true.”

“As I see it, most republicans would agree that this guy's behavior is beyond the pale. I doubt you'll see any defending it. Whereas most democrats would excuse the behavior (if he was a democrat). So what is wrong with having values?

The only value I can see from the democrats is how do we get in charge and stay in charge.
last edited: 7/13/07 9:24:09 AM”

“because your boys prove time and time again that they have no values”

“"So what is wrong with having values?"

Nothing, when it's true, LOL”

“hb, try a little excercise.
1.How may republicans are saying this guy's behavior is ok?
2. How many democrats were saying Clinton should resign over his purjury, rape, etc., issues?
3. How many democrats called for William Jefferson, (D-LA) to resign?

Values? You're trying to be funny right?”

“You start claiming to have higher morals than the other guy, it better be true.”
mtnsteve
11:14:56 AM
7/13/07



True dat.”

“NP, how many of your boys have proven that they have no values after claiming the higher moral ground?”