Typical Republican Hypocrisy

“How X-citing!”

“This story really smacks of hypocrisy when the Bush administration accuses anyone of "made up" claims.

(AP) The White House, seeking to raise credibility questions about their presumptive Democratic challenger, suggested that Sen. John Kerry had made up claims that some foreign leaders privately back his candidacy.

White House spokesman Scott McClellan called on Kerry to identify the leaders by name. "Either he is straightforward and states who they are, or the only conclusion one can draw is that he is making it up to attack the president," McClellan said Monday.

McClellan put a sharper point on a response offered a day earlier by Secretary of State Colin Powell, who also had called on Kerry to name his foreign supporters, but had stopped short of accusing Kerry of manufacturing the claim.

Questioned about the White House criticism, Kerry told reporters, "They're trying to change the subject from jobs, health care, the environment and social security. They don't have a campaign so they're trying to divert it."

The Kerry campaign also responded with a top-10 list of Bush assertions that it said "proved false." They ranged from Mr. Bush's claim in his 2003 State of the Union address that Iraq had obtained nuclear material from Niger, to the administration's prediction that last year's tax cuts would create 1 million jobs.

Kerry said at a fund-raiser last week in Florida that he's heard from some world leaders who quietly back his candidacy and who hope he defeats President Bush in November.

Three times, McClellan repeated the charge that Kerry was "making it up." And he sought to turn Kerry's assertion to the White House's advantage by using it to raise questions about Kerry's credibility.

McClellan took issue with Kerry's suggestions that the Bush administration held up for political purposes announcement of an agreement with Libya to rid itself of weapons of mass destruction; and that the administration had rebuffed offers from Russia and France to avert the Iraq war.

"This is not the first time he has refused to back up his assertions," McClellan said.

McClellan's remarks came a day after Spanish voters ousted the conservative party that had strongly backed Mr. Bush on the Iraq war.

Asked whether the Spanish election results gave credence to Kerry's claim that some foreign leaders want to see Mr. Bush booted from the White House, McClellan chuckled.

"I think that if Senator Kerry is going to say he has support from foreign leaders then he needs to be straightforward with the American people and say who it is that he has spoken with and who it is that supports him," McClellan said.

Pressed on the campaign trail and by reporters to name the leaders, Kerry declined, although he said they were U.S. allies.

"I'm not going to betray a private conversation with anybody," he said Sunday. "I have heard from people, foreign leaders elsewhere in the world who don't appreciate the Bush administration and would love to see a change in the leadership of the United States."”

“I wouldn't doubt it. Europe was not happy when Bush got in the White House.”

“Funny actually, Powell knows who thet are better then anyone. I'm sure they have been telling him the same thing for the last year at least.”

“Truly sad that the Bush administration is so deluded that it can't believe another country would back someone other than himself.”

“Why should other countries be involved in our politics? I don't want foreign leaders playing a part in who the next U.S. president is, do you?”

“Don't be so naive, USA, the Bush admin KNOWS very well who they might be, but they ALSO know Kerry can't name them or he'd be betraying confidences, so they're simply playing chicken w Kerry.”

“Wholy chit, you just didn't say that!

After all the meddeling we do through out the world.......and you don't want someone else to influance OUR Government!?!?!



BAWWWANWANAWHWWHHHAAAAAA!!!!!!”

“Kerry claims to have MET with foreign leaders who backed him. The Washinton Times researched his travels and found that he had no opportunities to meet with foreign leaders. Kerry just out and out lied.

I will concede that many foreign leaders would want him elected president. Saddam Hussein, Osama bin Laden, Kim Jong Il, Kaddafi, President of France to name a few.”

“The new elect of Spain.

Venezuela

Aristide

on and on...”

“On Rush today, he rake Kerry over the coals. He played the stuff Kerry said, in not one of the bits did he say he met with them. He told the crowds that has conversations with some leaders.

I would think that if anyone would have that on Kerry, it woulda been Rush.”

“Why should other countries be involved in our politics? I don't want foreign leaders playing a part in who the next U.S. president is, do you? -SMW


(AP) ...

The political crisis began Friday, when — in a spectacle televised live — the opposition-dominated National Assembly used security guards to drag out screaming and kicking pro-Roh lawmakers. It then passed a bill impeaching Roh for alleged election-law violations and incompetence.

The move appeared to be backfiring on the opposition, as public surveys showed the popularity of the small Uri Party, which supports the president, surging ahead of the April 15 parliamentary polls.

Tens of thousands of Roh supporters have converged on downtown Seoul every night since the impeachment to protest against the opposition. About 35,000 people showed up Sunday night, chanting "nullify impeachment" as they waved candles and demanded that Roh be reinstated.

On Monday, however, police deemed the massive rallies illegal for not having permits and urged organizers to stop them or face punishment.

The People's Solidarity for Participatory Democracy, a civic group that sponsored the rallies, said it would continue demonstrating but try to comply with police concerns about their size and duration.

With both sides trying to avoid clashes, the number of people gathering for Monday's night rally in downtown Seoul dropped sharply to around 3,500, shouting "The impeachment is invalid!"

Police had said they would not disperse them as long as they didn't turn violent.


On Sunday, North Korea condemned South Korea's presidential impeachment as a U.S.-masterminded "coup" in its first comments on the crisis.

"This is not merely an internal affair of South Korea. It is a political rebellion staged by a handful of political quacks quelling the mind-set of tens of millions of South Korean people," the North's official KCNA news agency said late Sunday, citing a North Korean government spokesman.

North Korea's dispatch accused Washington of masterminding Roh's impeachment, saying: "It was none other than the United States that sparked such disturbing development."

South Korea's main opposition Grand National Party, which led the impeachment drive, has called for a tougher stance on North Korea and a stronger alliance with the United States. Roh has unsettled conservative South Koreans by seeking more independence from Washington.


A world leader that didn't like Bush, impeached. And shrub had nothing to do with it?”

“Laqtis I didn't say I approved of all our "world policing." And if it's wrong for us to do it, why would you want anyone to do it to us?”

“cuz they's really socialist...”

“"Why should other countries be involved in our politics? I don't want foreign leaders playing a part in who the next U.S. president is, do you?"

No, and all those other country don't want us telling them who they can and cannot have as their leaders! Palestine, Iraq, Haiti.

But then again, we're smarter, more powerful and we've got God on our sides!

TGATB (The Gospel According To Bush)”

“Red, like I said above, I don't think our troops should be scattered all over the globe.”

“So why doesn't Kerry or his 'foreign leaders' speak up?”

“Why won't Bush testify before the full 9-11 panel?

That seems a little more important than betraying the confidence of world leaders - especially when this administration has shown how vindictive and spiteful they can be.”

“Thankyou, bacpac, for giving me my first good laugh of the morning. That question was so astute that I really think you should run your own think tank on politics.”

“Right, he didn't say he "met" with them. But he did say that they looked him in the eye. I suppose that might be a euphanism, but to me it meant they met, like in the same room. And I'm sure that is the message he was trying to get across.”

“"I suppose that might be a euphanism, but to me it meant they met, like in the same room.........."



Sorry, but that's an assumption.”

“Why should other countries be involved in our politics?
StickmanWalking
10:29:42 PM

Stcik, weren't you arguing contrary to this when I said it on the other thread last night?”

“Yes, it is an assumption on my part. And I'm sure that that was the idea. To make people assume that. I think looking someone in the eyes would be difficult if they weren't in pretty close proximity to each other.

I guess it just depends on what the meaning of is is, huh.”

“I think Kerry said that he spoke with the people, and there was an imminent threat that they may meet face to face.”

“CNN has Kerry quoted as saying "I've met more leaders who can't go out and say this publicly, but boy, they look at you and say, 'You got to win this. You got to beat this guy.' "


The Moonie News (Washington Times) has him quoted two different ways:
"I've met foreign leaders..."
OR
"I've met with foreign leaders..."




Do you think a 'newspaper' that is heavily subsidized by a nutjob who considers himself the messiah, is openly hostile to democracy and wants to usher in a worldwide theocracy with himself as the leader could possibly be making this stuff up?”

“I say that anyone who can preside over thousands of marriages at once has to be taken seriously.....as a campaign donor to GW!”

“What category of contributor does Moon belong to?

Pioneer?
Ranger?
$#!+-Kicker?
Cattle Baron?
Oilfield Trash?”

“Here's a good union story for ya....

I had to argue a greivance in front of a school board yesterday. The scholl is located in "Limbaugh Country", basically a town run by a good ole' boy network. During the meeting, my local president made a point that if management had done thier job properly, the situation that we were there for wouldn't exist. Instead of argueing the point, one of the good ole boy Board members berated my president like some child. The dude was all red in the face, and spouting off like "who are you to tell us.....etc., etc."

I could tell my president was intimidated and scared, so I cut in. When I stood up and told the Board member that we weren't going to waste our time with his elitist crcok and bull, and that nobody will berate one of my members in front of me, he cowered like a little girl. On my way out, I stated that our time would be much better spent finding a person to run against him, and get him off the Board so we can deal with professionals.


LMAO! I love fukkin' with a$$holes like that, and they pay me to do it. The dude is typical of most republicans.... I'm better than you, you shall obey.....but when someone stands up to the tyranny, they cower like a puss.”

“Thankyou for fighting the good fight, BB.”

“Don't thank me, I do it for fun. Busting crap like that is like smoking crack to me. I can't get enough. lol!”

“Interesting spelling. Is that typical of Union people, your spelling abilities, or is that how they spell it in "Limbaugh country".

Or maybe just an oopsy.”

“Why should other countries be involved in our politics?
StickmanWalking
10:29:42 PM

Stcik, weren't you arguing contrary to this when I said it on the other thread last night?"
Treebeard
10:09:50 AM
03/16/04

No, I challenge anyone to show me the post that said the US should be involved in Spain's elections. I did comment on the fact that while everyone simultaneously posted about their elections, they kept saying it was none of our concern, yet kept talking about it, yet kept saying it was none of our business, yet kept making observations....”

“Stick, I wasn't accusing you of saying that. Only that when I made a statement like yours, you seemed to counterpunch it because of your obvious dislike of socialism. I think the point we were trying to make is that if this is what the Spanish people want, who are we to critisize a democratically run election process. Also, the point came up as to the definition of socialism in Europe as opposed to how Americans have characterized it.”

“typo

BTW, there are three o's in ooopsy.”

“I guess I had an ooopsy, huh? I should have looked it up in the dictionary.”

“Are we prepared to accept what the democratic process brings forth in Iraq?”

“So if Kerry can't discuss the issue why did he bring it up?”

“"Are we prepared to accept what the democratic process brings forth in Iraq?"
Dunadan

From the way things are going I think that depends on whether Iraquis or Bush gets to pick the president.

The tone seems to be that the administration wants an election Not based on the majority.

But then again, thats how Bush got the presidency isn't it?

We want democracy as long as we get to pick the leaders.

I guess if the Iraqi people vote in someone we do not like, We cam always invade and overthrow. Oh wait, we've already invaded so I guess its just ovrthrow.”

“"So if Kerry can't discuss the issue why did he bring it up?..........."


Just so that we could hear the Repubs whine about it!!



WWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

Frickin' cry babies.......!”

“"Red, like I said above, I don't think our troops should be scattered all over the globe."

Nothing I posted had to do with troops. It had to do with the US telling other countries who that can and cannot have as leaders

And my name is not red. Redhawk or Hawk please. (Pretty please?)”

“http://www.drudgereport.com/kerrybo.htm

XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX MON MARCH 15, 2004 21:16:28 ET XXXXX

GLOBE REPORTER CLAIMS TAPE RECORDED KERRY 'MORE' LEADERS NOT 'FOREIGN' LEADERS; TRANSCRIPTION 'SCREW-UP'

A BOSTON GLOBE reporter at the center of a growing controversy over comments made by John Kerry last week in Florida now claims he "screwed-up" -- and John Kerry never bragged how "foreign leaders" privately backed his presidential bid!



"I mistranscribed a key word," explains Patrick Healy, a political reporter for the BOSTON GLOBE who covered the event in a pool capacity.

"Listening to the audio recorder now, in the quiet of my house, I hear 'more leaders' and I am certain that 'more leaders' is what Senator Kerry said."

MORE

Healy claims in an e-mail correction: "Transcribing on the bus in Florida, and again on the plane ride to Tampa, I heard 'foreign leaders' rather than 'more leaders'. I am very sorry for this screw-up, and please feel free to hold me accountable to your editors and higher-ups."

It was Healy's pool reporting of Kerry's "I've met foreign leaders" quote that ignited the original firestorm, and resulted in a dare from Secretary of State Colin Powell to name names!

BOSTON GLOBE reporter's email correction:

Subject: FW: Senator Kerry's remark at fundraiser about foreign leaders wanting him to beat Bush

Poolers,

Given the growing attention to Senator Kerry's remark at the Fla. fundraiser about foreign leaders wanting him to beat Bush, and Kerry's subsequent statements that he'd merely "heard from" leaders, I went back to my recording of the event to re-confirm his remarks and put them in context. I wanted to provide that for all of you as well as CORRECT the record on a key word that I mistranscribed.

When Kerry concluded his stump to the Florida fundraisers and donors, Milton Ferrell, Kerry's Florida finance chair, piped up:

MILTON FERRELL: "This is more than just the 50 states. You travel around outside the states, the people are still [inaudible] Europeans and elsewhere, they're counting on the American people. They hate Bush, but they know we're going to get rid of him. They're counting on us. [inaudible] It's a lot more than just [inaudible]-"

KERRY: "I've been hearing it, I'll tell ya. The news, the coverage in other countries, the news in other places. I've met more leaders who can't go out and say it all publicly, but boy they look at you and say, you gotta win this, you gotta beat this guy, we need a new policy, things like that. So there is enormous energy out there. Tell them, whereever they can find an American abroad, they can contribute," a reference to donations, prompting laughter from the crowd.

Transcribing on the bus in Florida, and again on the plane ride to Tampa, I heard "foreign leaders" rather than "more leaders." Listening to the audio recorder now, in the quiet of my house, I hear "more leaders" and I am certian that "more leaders" is what Senator Kerry said. I am very sorry for this screw-up, and please feel free to hold me accountable to your editors and higher-ups.

-- Patrick

___________________

Patrick Healy political reporter, The Boston Globe

***

Developing...”

“Just a point I would like wo make. Socialism in itself is not a bad thing. Australia has socialism in a sense that they have a socialized medical plan for all their citizens (which works quite well and is not bankrupting the country!).

It is when it is implemented in such a way that there is no room for individuals to be rewarded financially for working harder that it fails. Also when it is imposed upon people it doesn't work either (and neither does democracy if people don't want it).
Democracy, Socialism and free enterprise can co-exist with and compliment each other. Problem is the advocates for both systems are such extremists, there is no comprimise.
I say and mean this in the best sense. Maybe some need to look up exactly what socialism is before assuming that it is a communist plot.”

“And just to put something in perspective......

I do not think an administration that will not reveal the names of individuals and corporations attending an "energy strategy conference" on the grounds of "National Security" shouldn't be talking about anyone else not naming names.

Of course Kerry can't name them, it would be a violation of confidence and Kerry is an honorable man.
I am quite sure that Bush would reveal them in a minute if the shoe wwere on the other foot. He has already proved that he cares little, for the leaders of other countries.

If there is anyone out there who does not believe that there are many leaders of other countries who dislike and distrust Bush (with reason), then they are terribly naive.

And telling a candidate they want to see the administration ousted is NOT interfering with our politics.”

“Well, the administration was quick to reveal the name of a CIA operative. You have to credit them for that little felony.”

“Violin, that retraction would have more credibility if Kerry had not responded by defending the original version. Oops.”

“Why would the United States want to be like Australia?

That is a significant step backwards.”

“Redhawk, I admire your logic. I agree with looking up socialism, since I accused a fellow worker who is from Germany as being from a socialist country. He quickly said that it was not. So if we had socialist medical, corporate business, and religious fanatic dictatorship in a police state, would that make everyone happy?”

“My point is that often Dogma and Doctrine become more important then the correct course.

The world and life are static, constantly changing. To try to apply set standards across the board is counter productive to common sense.

It is arrogant to think a specific belief or methodology is the cureall to every situation.

Every belief has its strong points and it's weak points. Unfortunately people are unwilling to give up their "Ideals" and do the proper thing to solve a problem.”

“The White House also faces charges of hypocrisy -- claiming executive privilege in the case of Condoleezza Rice -- at the same time it made public confidential e-mails and transcripts of background briefings to discredit chief critic Richard Clarke.”

“RICE WON'T TESTIFY -- AT LEAST NOT IN PUBLIC. GETS GRILLED ON '60 MINUTES'

It was interesting to watch just how much more intensely Condoleezza Rice was grilled by Ed Bradley last night on '60 Minutes' than was Richard Clarke a week earlier. But bias aside, the media just can't stand that Rice will not testify publicly before the 9/11 commission. She has met with them privately, she has given interviews, but apparently our lives will never be the same unless she testifies in those Senate chambers. Who cares.

Why is it so important that Rice testify publicly? This 9/11 Commission is charged with gathering evidence and presenting findings. It's clear that Rice would feel more free to testify on sensitive matters if the testimony was secret. Why, then, insist on a public hearing? Oh come on now. That one's easy. Because it is only in the spectacle of a public hearing that various members of the Commission can grandstand for the cameras. The quality of the information would suffer, but the opportunity for partisan showcasing would increase.

I am not aware of one single instance where a presidential national security advisor has ever testified under oath in public. Why now? You know the answer. The goal is to embarrass Bush, not to gather information.

And by the way, anybody else notice that the Bush-haters are giving the administration no credit for what they did after 9/11? Everybody just assumes that if Al Gore were president, he also would have invaded Afghanistan and overthrown the Taliban. But is that such a foregone conclusion? I doubt it. A Democratic administration would have probably gone to the UN instead. Also, what about the war on terrorism? Would that be going on? Probably not.

Yet, with all of the action the Bush administration has taken in the last 2 1/2 years, and all of the success they have had in the war on Islamic terrorism, all the Richard Clarke-obsessed media can talk about is those 7 1/2 months before 9/11. Hardly ever do you hear about the success in Afghanistan, the success in Iraq, the success in there not being another attack on American soil.

But if Condi Rice doesn't testify publicly...well, that could mean the end of civilization as we know it.”