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Psychons and EvolutionView MessagesViewing posts 1 to 25 of 25 messages posted.
“If you switch on a torch, photons appear, but there are no photons in the torch in the way there are bullets in a gun. While the necessary energy exists 'actually' in the torch, the units capable of organizing energy quanta in the form of photons exist only 'potentially', before the torch is switched on. Such non-material units shall be called PSYCHONS. There is a continuity from primitive psychons, which are responsible for the behaviour of elementary particles, to human psychons (souls), which have evolved from primitive psychons over billions of years. For a person to be born, what is required is a human soul which has evolved by reincarnation. Human souls are reborn with increased probability in a similar environment. This ENVIRONMENT CONTINUITY can easily be verified empirically (e.g. by examining persons with pronounced rare characteristics). A manifestation of this principle is that persons are often in contact with persons they have also been in contact with in former lives. Environment continuity is also valid for animal souls. It is essential when a species splits into subspecies. It stands to reason that environment continuity is valid not only for human and animal souls but for all psychons. Psychons are the 'units of evolution'. For genes or living beings, if they were not more than highly structured dead matter, it would make no sense to aspire to reproduction and at the same time to lose their identity because of evolutionary adaption and further development. Psychons do not change their identity during evolution (as human souls do not during ontogenesis). So we all (our souls) should have been elementary particles billions of years ago. During evolution our psychons (souls) have been responsible for the behaviour of atoms, molecules, enzymes, living cells, primitive neurons, primitive animals, ..., monkeys and of our ancestors. Death is a prerequisite for birth and evolution. Psychons are indivisible units, but matter is divisible in most cases. Enzymes can form a complex, which begins to work after having reached a destination in the cell. The question is whether there is a psychon for the whole complex or whether all participating enzymes have their own psychons. There is the same question for all levels of complexity. Proteins often consist of parts which rapidly take a certain form whereas the whole protein is folding slowly. These parts are made of amino acids and the amino acids consist of atom groups and atoms, which themselves are composite. It is certainly not possible in every case to find out which complexes are coordinated and dominated by single psychons. There are analogous problems in the context of human groups and hierarchical organizations. For instance it is not always possible for listeners to find out whether an interpretation of a music group is determined by all or by one member only. The bigger music groups get, the more important is a higher coordination. In a little orchestra this function can be taken over by an orchestra musician. From increasing orchestras emerged by specialisation pure conductors. For a concert with several orchestras, which all have their own conductor, several variants are possible. 1) The conductors coordinate each other and their own musicians. 2) One of the conductors coordinates the other conductors in addition to his own musicians. 3) One of the conductors coordinates the musicians of all the orchestras, and the other conductors become redundant. 4) One of the conductors takes over the coordination of all conductors, if one of his musicians takes over his former function as a conductor. 5) A specialist from outside takes over the coordination of all conductors. 6) A specialist from outside takes over the coordination of all musicians, and all conductors become redundant. All these variants are possible for psychons. Also relations analogous to the one between horse and rider or between shepherd, dog and herd are possible on different complexity levels. An RNA nucleotide consists of three parts which are evolutionarily older than the whole nucleotide: 1) RNA base, 2) ribose and 3) chain of phosphate groups. RNA nucleotides have several functions in living cells. For instance they supply energy. It seems obvious that the same molecules can be animated by different psychon types. The environment continuity maintains order. For psychons which animate matter of such a low complexity level there should be no difference between inactivity and death. (In the case of humans the connection between soul and body with its psychons is so complex, that it can be built up only during ontogenesis). The maturation of a protein from the corresponding amino acid chain can happen in the following way: [In important (evolutionarily older) sequences of the chain, amino acids become active, that is they get animated by psychons. Because of environment continuity these psychons are the ones which have built up the same protein (or the same sequence of different proteins) innumerable times. These psychons build up protein parts which can be animated as a whole by other psychons which then build up the complete protein.] So it also becomes comprehensible that RNA sequences (introns) are able to cut out themselves or that order is maintained during DNA recombination. During evolution, psychon animated molecules have been joining together in always bigger units. Animated molecules such as amino acids and nucleotides began sometime to form chains. By specialization psychons emerged which dominated such chains. Proteins are conceivable which replicate by adding corresponding amino acids to one chain end, until an identical protein can split off. Reproduction by base pairing of two complementary strands is even more efficient. The invention of translation, a complex symbiosis of various ribosomal psychons, was certainly one of the most essential steps during the evolution of life.” 11:52:32 AM 12/31/01 “You're talking about flashlights, right?” 11:55:38 AM 12/31/01 “note to self: never take acid before posting on TT” 11:57:52 AM 12/31/01 “The extremely complex human soul is the only psychon that we can know not just from outside but also from inside. This subjective inside aspect is a prerequisite for our experiences of the world. All feelings, perceptions and understanding are only projections onto our human souls. Objective knowledge not depending on the subjective inside aspect is impossible. Objectivity cannot be more than ideal intersubjectivity. Determining spacial extension of human souls constitutes a similar problem as determining spacial extension of elementary particles. After death and before incarnation, souls exist only potentially and cannot be located in space. There is some evidence suggesting that the soul of a still living person can start a new incarnation. Then the development of the embryo and (in rare cases) baby is paralleled by a disappearing vitality of the person animated by the same soul, and it seems plausible that preventing a dying person forcefully from dying can lead to the death of a baby animated by the same soul. That a single soul is able to animate two persons, one dying and the other coming into being, even thousands of kilometres apart, seems to suggest that souls cannot be located in space. But a soul can be located by its interaction with the humun body. The by far strongest interaction occurs with the brain. When we move a finger we do not affect the finger but neurons in the brain. A pain in our foot we do not perceive directly but only in the brain. Optical effects we perceive neither directly nor on the retina but as neural states. These states are the result of a complex process, starting with photoreceptor cells. Brain research has shown that optical attributes such as form, movement and colour are processed in various regions of the brain, though an object appears to the observer as a unity. It is the soul which perceives the states of different brain regions as a consistent picture of the object. Perceiving form and colour of a triangle in different regions is no more astonishing than perceiving odour and colour of a drink in different regions. Colours can be described by a spectrum. The processing of colours in the brain can be investigated. The sensation of a colour is accompanied by a state of neuron groups. The death of involved neuron groups can lead to the loss of the colour sensation. Nevertheless, this sensation is totally different from the corresponding neural state. It requires the memory of the soul and is a diffuse mixture of memories involving the same or similar neural states. In the case of red this mixture consists of (neural states accompanying) blood, sunset, fruit and much more, in the case of blue primarily of the sky and in the case of green primarily of the flora. Only because of our past experiences we know, what corresponds in 'reality' to the states of our brain. The three-dimensional optical picture of a bottle in front of us we subjectively perceive, is made up of several subjective components. These components are each a diffuse mixture of memories of similar perceptions (or corresponding neural states). Because of these memories we know how to move our hand in order to touch the bottle. Pleasure and pain have their basis in finality. Neural states in connection with surviving and offspring (which increases the probability of being reincarnated soon after death) lead to a pleasant, neural states in connection with death to an unpleasant subjective experience. Pleasure and pain do not rely on the neural states themselves, but on the memories with which these states are associated in the soul. If a neural state normally associated with pleasure is caused artificially (e.g. by means of psychiatric drugs), the person can experience pleasure. But the more frequently this state is caused artificially, the weaker becomes the original association of the state with actual positive events. Cutting the lines of communication between the two sides of a brain (split brain patients) has incredibly few consequences. Primarily it is the soul which continues maintaining the coordination of the two sides. The regenerative powers after brain injuries show that neurons and neuron groups can take over new functions and that the connection between soul and brain is not rigid but flexible. In the same way as the body outside the brain is not connected directly to the brain, there are also regions inside the brain which are only indirectly connected to the soul. Under the assumption that the soul is located in the brain, weaker interactions of the soul with the rest of the body are a matter of actions at a distance. An influence of the soul on the immune system and on healing and recovery is plausible. Perception of one's own body not mediated through the brain as well as extrasensory perception cannot be excluded. It could also be a matter of soul actions at a distance, if a successful salesman sells to a person something the person neither needs nor wishes.” 12:07:01 PM 12/31/01 “"Under the assumption that the soul is located in the brain, weaker interactions of the soul with the rest of the body are a matter of actions at a distance." Marvin Gardens 12:07:01 PM Silly Marvin,,,,everybody knows that the sole is on the bottom of the foot. 12/31/01” 12:09:31 PM 12/31/01 “hmmmm. just wondering if Marvin Gardens and Solitary Hiker one in the same” 12:13:28 PM 12/31/01 “Ewker, if circumstantial evidence will convict in this case, then I would say we can get a verdict pretty quickly.” 12:18:36 PM 12/31/01 “i think that MG is a regular, who is mocking SH.” 12:22:13 PM 12/31/01 “rad, if that is true, he is doing a great job” 12:24:47 PM 12/31/01 “Rad, I think so too. I just said the other day on...whatever thread that was, that I think MG is one of the regulars.” 12:28:42 PM 12/31/01 “Me, mocking the Ignoranti? Raddy’s been hunting Snipe again! Reality is a staircase leading nowhere. For it cannot see and feel my pain.” 12:47:01 PM 12/31/01 “ha haa! i win. where is my cookie?” 12:48:40 PM 12/31/01 “ignoRANTi? LOL!!!!” 12:49:29 PM 12/31/01 “How many balusters on each tread of that staircase MG? Remember ignorance is bliss-and when you alter reality in whatever form or fashion, you are simply changing an electrical signal in the grey matter.The soul is a human creation.” 12:56:50 PM 12/31/01 “No. Please re-read my posts. It would be more accurate to say that humans are a creation of the soul. The 'grey matter' only exists because your psychons willed it to.” 1:02:30 PM 12/31/01 “MG- As a time traveler you know that the primordial goo that were the headwaters of the all carbon based life on this planet was simply a test tube. A chance encounter with some passing cosmic dust and lightning added the accelerant that started a chain reaction of evolution. Souls came later.” 1:16:46 PM 12/31/01 “I just pray that MG isn't pekka and this is what he was hoping to publish this year... Ü j/k pekka!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is the worse than standing in line at the grocery store. I have a strange urge to read the Globe now.” 1:27:10 PM 12/31/01 “Peptide bonds are thermodynamically unstable, meaning the reversal to starting amino acid is strongly exothermic. Take a wild guess what any water would do to the amide bond? In other words, under even optimized laboratory conditions even remotely relevant polymers won't form.” 1:27:35 PM 12/31/01 “Stay away from the supermarket Biz. That checkout scanner thingy got me pregnant!” 1:31:53 PM 12/31/01 “Amazing! and you're a man too right?” 1:35:22 PM 12/31/01 “Yes! Read all about it in THE GLOBE.” 1:40:31 PM 12/31/01 “My point exactly MG-it wasn't a pure lab environment- pollutant to the mixture was the x ingredient--hell man scan back on the timeline and take a peak- Some alien took a piss out in space and it floated down to the pool. Souls/alien piss it all came later. Must have been some peptide bond at the checkout.” 1:42:36 PM 12/31/01 “Josh, Maybe it was a peroxide blonde???” 1:52:38 PM 12/31/01 “Peptide cake... with mint frosting.” 2:54:00 PM 12/31/01 “Ewww! After that, you're gonna need a BaSO4 enema!” 4:58:37 PM 12/31/01
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