Another Stoned Bush

“ Jed's daughter got in a spot of trouble. Bad parenting? Did daddy spend too much time at the office when she was little? Are his presidential hopes slipping away?

Hey- she's a Seminole! At least she has that going for her.”

“Anxiety... Enron? Any surprise that another Bush uses drugs illegally?”

“In my attempts to be witty I forgot to mention that I did appreciate Jeb's (not Jed's) response. I thought it was more responsible than the typical deny - deny - deny.”

“Anyone who has been a parent should have the common decency to leave parent / offspring issues alone. This is no-one's business except Jeb / wife & daughter.

The fact that the news media feels that this is free-for-all territory says enough about the media that no further comment is required / necessary. Shame on them.

Big Coop, I hope / am sure this post was a momentary lapse on your part. Surely you realize it is none of your business, and surely you realize that whatever sitautaions have confronted the Bush family, are THEIR's to address, not yours.”

“The apple doesnt fall far from the tree.Look at GW's daughters theyre alcoholics according to the san antonio crowd.
Wonder if the law is gonna come down hard on her?Not.
Hey her uncle,the prez, is a zero tolerance kind of guy but was a big time/long time coke head but the law doesnt apply to him or his family.Hypocrate.GW's doesnt have a shred of moral fiber in his body.Its shocking that he was touted as some kind of ethical guy that was so much holier than clinton.What morons.”

“Ouch - keep in mind she is a 24 year old woman - not some high schooler.

Just trying to have a little fun at the expense of the guv'ner's misbehavin' family.

You make some good points though wanderer. I don't have children yet - so this does not hit close to home with me. Give me a few months.”

“Big Coop, I want you to think of how you'll feel in a few years ( and I promise they'll come a lot quicker than you think) when, regardless of how much time you've spent, regardless of what you believe / tried to get your offspring to appreciate / value in life, ... you realize / finally understand they are going their own way & making their own decisions. In many respects it has nothing to do with how much time you've spent w them or how hard you've tried, everyone is going to go down their own path. So it is with Jeb Bush's daughters.

IMHO, it is a VERY sad situation to see someone associate an offsprings behaviour w a parent in order to make a political point. Everytime I see it I wonder less & less why humanity is in the situation we are in.

Davex, you're comments are so rediculous as to almost not deserve comment....

"The apple doesn''t fall far from the tree". Guilt by association, that's very intelligent & insightful. I'm sure you spent a lot of time looking at facts / details before condemning people you don't know to your all-knowing and all-powerful proclamations.

"Wonder if the law is gonna come down hard on her" Not?" So, your suggestion is that since GW was a cokehead (allegedly, according to YOU), obviously his nieces are as well??? Where in the he!! do you come up with that??? What an incredibly assinine presumption.

DaveX, why don't you start a political thread that addresses the FACTS and MERITS of a political point of view, rather than this cheap-shot, "guilt-by-association" bullsh$t aimed at offspring of someone whose views you don't agree with.

Aren't you proud of yourself?”

“So, wanderer, are you saying that George W. Bush was not a user of cocaine? Show us your proof.
I think some of what davex says holds merit, since GW was held up to the American people as having more integrity and moral fiber than his opponent.”

“Obviously,some people cant handle the FACTS.
The BUsh family is so adamant against drugs and have enacted many anti constitutional laws to punish those who use drugs.The irony or hypocracy is that they have major drug problems themselves yet make sure the laws dont apply to them just the peasants right?
There are millions of people who have gone to jail for using less drugs that the bush clan.That MERITS a lot more sympathy than another poor millionaire bush offspring having some drug problem.”

“I am saying that it's a cheap-shot to fire away at anyone who carries the family name because one doesn't agree w someone's political point of view.

For the record, I didn't vote for GW, nor would I if elections were held tomorrow. This is NOT about politics, that, is indeed, my point.

Dunadan, why am I in a position to show YOU that he did use coke? Isn't that like asking "when did you stop wearing your wife's panties?" You have proclaimed guilt, and I must prove innocence...that is NOT the way it works. Why don't YOU prove that he's guilty of your alleged "crimes"?

What's the whole point here... YOU claim he's guilty (without proof)of some drug problem, then extend that to obviously mean that his NIECES are druggies as well? We should take shots at them? What kind of logic is that? What country do you live in?


Oh, and Davex, I'm waiting for some FACTS. What FACTS do you have that this 24 year-old did drugs? What FACTS do you have that would open her up to your criticism? Where are your FACTS? I am patiently awaiting your FACTS...remember, you started this about HER, any "facts" about any other member of the Bush family don't apply.

So, how 'bout it big guys...got any "facts", or, do you just want to continue with the character assinations in the hope of furthering your own agenda's?


Let's see you facts, please. I will readily admit my ignorance once I see them, if justified.”

“When asked directly, on several occasions, GW did not deny using cocaine. He did refer to his "youthful indiscretions". He was caught driving while drunk. It seems obvious to me and most people in this country who are honest with themselves beleive that GW snorted coke on a number of occasions. Do you really think he has not used cocaine?
His moral fiber is neither here nor there with me until he is held before the public as some sort of morally superior being. I don't even think that the fact that he snorted coke in his youth was all that bad, he just doesn't have the guts, (or moral fiber) to admit it.
There is a double standard at work here for those who thought any part of the Clintons' lives were fair game, but the Bush family shouldn't be held to scrutiny.”

“Dunadan, I'm sorry your guy didn't win, but the elections are over & have been for some while. I'm not going to get into the tired old argument about whether or not the media was fair / not fair with Bill, his mistress, Hillery, or ol' GW Billy-Bob Bush. Couldn't care less, as a matter of fact.

What this thread is about, what gets me going, are the character assinations against innocent people who are being hurt because someone doesn't agree with the politics of one of their relatives. Note the first comments of this thread, which started with:

" Jed's daughter got in a spot of trouble. Bad parenting? Did daddy spend too much time at the office when she was little? Are his presidential hopes slipping away?"


To me this is very cheap sh!t, and that's what I am railing against. Whether GW did coke is irrelevent. The question is... do you slay his NIECE with this kind of comment????

Have the guts to post a political thread, please. This reminds me of someone throwing stones at someone's little sister because you can't beat up her big brother.

Grow up.”

“Jeb has said that one of his kids has a drug problem but wouldnt specify.
His daughter was busted today trying to pick up drugs using a bogus subscription.
Connect the dots?
But who knows maybe she was just buying the drugs as a favor for some poor black kid in the hood.Or maybe for one of her uncles..hehehe...
Anyway Im not picking on her.Im picking on her God preaching,holier than thou family who like to preach and punish the rest of the country for partaking in activities that they indulge in.Highly hypocritical,pious and immoral.”

“Drug use should be de-criminalized and treated for what it is...a sickness, just like alcoholism.”

“So, davex, should that kid be in the public eye and held up to kore ridicule than say, YOU, or ME, because she happens to be from a family that espouses something with which you disagree?

THAT is the question, not whether or not GW, or anyone else, is "right" or "wrong".

Stay on task, please. I'm also still waiting for your relevent "FACTS".”

“"Another Stoned Bush"...so who's been throwing rocks? Was he in Afganistan, where they typically stone people over there?”

“Stanlee, please let us know how your comment has ANYTHING at all to do with critisizing or ridiculing someone for having the same family name as another individual with whom you disagree... that's what we're talking about here.”

“I agree Buddur.
It isnt a cheap shot at all.His niece is very FAIR game.She's an ADULT.She's part of a very PUBLIC/POWERFUL family that represents America in the highest order.The FACT that she and other members of her family indulge in an activity that is so VEHEMENTLY opposed and heavily outlawed by uncle prez and grandpa prez makes it very RELEVANT.”

“Nothing at all...just bringing some humor here. Chill out.”

“Thanks Stanlee, first point with which I will agree. I am now heading to the fridge to get a beverage. I LOVE a "spirited discussion" such as this so much I can lose sight of the obvious... reminded to me w humor, in your case.

The beverages's are on me.”

“wanderer
of course she should be held up to more ridicule than you or me because it is her politically powerful family that says one thing and yet does just the opposite.Do you not see the IRONY?Double standard?
Seems to me faking a subscrip to obtain a narcotic for illicit use would be 2 felony counts.Think charges will be brought against her like they would be against a black or poor person?Yeah,right..and that is the hypocracy and subversion of justice and morality that the bushes engage in.
...Do as I say not as I do, seems to be the bush motto...”

“How pissed off at Grandpa are Dubyas kids considering he helped pass the National 21 drinking age??”

“Thanks Wanderer...actually I'm having tea at the moment...go ahead and have a cold one. Will be loggin out in a few moments...will see how this thread turns out tomorrow.”

“stanlee,
by my estimate,it should degenerate into a full on chaotic mudsling flamefest.”

“Hahahahahaha

"The Bush Girls" could be a real nice situation comedy.

And who says boys get into more trouble than girls?

And what the hells with Noelle Bush trying to pick up Zantax(?), an anti-anxiety drug?
That stuff doesn't sound like much fun.
I wouldn't be surprised if the Zantax story is a LIE to cover up the use of a more potent/fun drug.

After all the Bush family is a bunch of liars.”

“Where is the proof that GWB used cocaine? I know it is a popular claim, but where is the proof?

Dunadan expects us to prove he didn't use cocaine? What kind of thinking is that? Dunadan how bout proving you are not an alien.

Where is the smoking cigar??”

“What's that you're puffin' on bacpac?

I just love J.E.B.'s comment about wishing that the press would respect his family's privacy.

GOOD LUCK PAL!!!”

“I know some who abuse Zanax. It was over-prescribed by an irresponsible physician and now they are addicted. They don't yet see this and as long as that physician is available for unlimited prescription refills, it's possible they never will. If they suddenly find their source cut off, will they get help or will they get desperate and turn to illegal means to get it? I don't know. These two people sincerely cannot function without it.


Without any details or background information, I wonder if this was a similar case. It's been reported that she attempted this after having a panic attack. If that's the case, why didn't she just go to a doctor? Had her doctor been prescribing Zanax and cut her off because of addiction concerns? Has she been getting it from a friend and didn't think she could get it from a doc? What is really going on here? I would like to know the facts and details before passing judgement. Personal opinions and prejudices just can't replace facts and they shouldn't be confused with them.”

“and HOW! just because someone is addicted, i'm not going to think (s)he's a bad person, as much as the government would like me to (even though she IS related to that alien of a president)! ;-)”

“Good point Buddur.

Wanderer, please don't try to debate liberals, it will get you nowhere. Just go out, make a living, and let them whine and cry while we run the country successfully.

As for GWB's alleged coke habit..... until they find a stained blue dress, they have no proof. (yes, that was a Clinton referance)”

“Wankers...all of ya!”

“Nigal must be talking about someone else.”

“Yes, I can plainly see how well the 'conservatives' are running things.”

“Gw DOESN't even deny using COKE.He just defers the coke question to indiscretions of his youth!!Since when are your 20s and 30s part of your youth?GW is an hopeless idiot.Seems to me that if yer prez that you woud vehemently deny such a libelous and unflattering charge.
Can anyone remember "i did not have sex with that girl"?
The tables have turned.The witchhunters have turned into the hunted.Poetic justice eh?”

“Eh-yuuuuuup!!!

It helps(Bush) when the witch-hunters have friends who control the mass media.
We'll see how it goes now.

I have sympathy for the daughter and anyone who is having a tough time with drugs.

The crooked Bush politicians however are another story.

Yeah, they are QUITE successfully ruining this country.
The Repubs have succeeded in looting the U.S. Treasury in ONE year.”

“Can you cite sources to back that up Tom?























Sorry, it's been a while sense I've done that and felt it a good time to. LOL!”

“Yee-Haw!

Man, that clown was sure givin' hillbillies a bad name.

Violin-
Keep, keep, keep it comin'.

Nigal-
Try reading The Nation.
That'll get your head screwed on straight.
You'll love it dude!”

“Have you read The No-Spin Factor by bill O'Riely? I like him, he pisses in EVERYONE'S Weaties.”

“The real problem lies with this girl being a Seminole. Obviously she wasn't smart enough to get into a real college and fell pray to the many convicts and drug addicts who attend this heinous institution.”

“Thanks for your participation in this thread! It gives me warm fuzzies to see you Billaries "suffer" through this Administration!

Squirm, bay-bee - SQUIRM!

Sik'em, George!

(80% approval rating - unPRESIDENTed!)”

“If the Justice Department digs deep enough Dubya could well be Un-Presidented!

80%, Ha!

Buncha dang poll-watchers!”

“is gojo subliminal mispelling for homo?”

“Oh yes!

ALL the liberals are queer, dontcha know!

When all else fails call your opponent:
traitor
communist
queer
bed-wetter
See, its really quite simple!”

“... drug addict, alcholic, stupid, corrupt.

Yea, good policy Tom.”

“cheneys daughter is gay
gingrich's sister is gay
reagans son is gay
hmmmm...makes u wonder”

“Talk about no life. Come on guys. How does GWB's brother's daughter getting into trouble make him a bad president. You can't even blame parenting on him becuase he's just the Uncle. I hate how as soon as anybody remotely related to the Pres gets into any trouble, the president is immediatly put at fault somehow. I'm not seeing a connection here.”

“Ask Clinton about that”

“It doesnt make him a bad pres-but it shows the Hypocracy of the BUSH dynasty.They preach and punish others for doing drugs yet engage in drug use themselves except dont face the rule of law that lands anybody else in jail.
The BUSHes are catching up to the Kennedy's.At least the K's didnt preach against and create anti drug laws...”

“If I were a Bush child, I would be stoned all the time too!”