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Regulate Tom T.
Tom, how did deregulation impact accounting irregularities. What does it have to do with Anderson's auditing?
bacpac
7:52:00 PM
1/30/02

Jesse Jackson is a very,very,funny JOKE.I lovehim conseling clinton about the BJ incident meanwhile his mistress was standing next to him already pregnant!!Thats f'ing funny.hahahha
davex
8:12:57 PM
1/30/02

mebbe if Tea got himself a good education, he could "under stand" his own belifes," and express them coherently.
pedxing
8:20:18 PM
1/30/02

As speaches go, it was unremarkable. Bush isn't a silver tongued orator and he's the first to admit it. The content of the speach had substance and indicated a great deal of bipartisan comprimises have been made. I'll give it a B.
Gear Slut
8:41:00 PM
1/30/02

Fhuck you DaveX, don't ever, and I mean ever, make any disparaging comments about baseball ever agin, ya dumb punk. Now you are messing with my religion a$$hole.
Buddha Bear
10:03:00 PM
1/30/02

By shouting about getting a good education, has Tea put himself in the running for the funniest or saddest TT'er?
Jesse Jackson used to merit a small amount of serious consideration from me. Now, he is just a sad parody. I used to like the "Keep Hope Alive" speech. Fiery.
Dunadan
5:14:25 PM
2/01/02

Ever see
Jesse Jackson do "Green Eggs and Ham" on SNL? One of the funniest things I've ever seen... I think it changed him forever though
donman
5:18:48 PM
2/01/02

That was hilarious!
Jesse is fading quickly into the sunset.
Dunadan
5:21:19 PM
2/01/02

If it feels good, do it
GWB's latest, from MSNBC:

Reverting to a theme of his presidential campaign, President Bush called on Americans Thursday to change the nation's "feel good" culture. "Our culture has said, 'If it feels good, do it,' he said in a speech in Daytona Beach, Fla. "My dream for the country is that we usher in a culture that says 'Each of us are responsible for the decisions we make in life.'"

So who's ready to volunteer for the new "Freedom Corps"?
kleetn
5:29:44 PM
2/01/02

If it feels good, do it

Spam, Spam do you know what you am?

Understand the world, or Garp it

For I am what I am
Marvin Gardens
5:38:38 PM
2/01/02

I would volunteer for the Freedom Corps, but that would feel too good, so I can't do it
donman
5:39:53 PM
2/01/02

Y'know, if you made the decision to join the Freedom Corps, you would be responsible for your decision...dammit!
kleetn
5:51:57 PM
2/01/02

kleetn
thats classic gwb...non-sensical.
I also dont understand 'go about your lives and routines" yet "we can expect the likelihood of an attack worse than 9-11...
davex
9:05:18 PM
2/01/02

I don't think some people posting on this thread know the seriousness of a young boy finding someone that he can look up to as his hero. For Ice Tea, there is nothing better in life than GW. He, too, needs some meaning in his life and has found it in the man from Tejas. I think you guys should think back to when you were young and searching for someone to follow blindly, through thick and thin. GW could be in office for only a little while longer, and we should not criticize him in front of the boy.
Dunadan
12:27:55 AM
2/03/02

if it feels good...can i drink and snort coke for 20years thru my indiscretionary youth and at age 40 become responsible?I think gw just stuck his foot in the ole mouth.Leading by example...NOT
davex
12:50:57 AM
2/03/02

So I missed it. Anyone see anything good come out of it?
Phaedrus
9:09:30 PM
5/24/04

I heard he wants to demolish Abu Ghraib. Maybe Haliburton will only charge us $15-20 million to build a replacement....
Tilt
10:30:16 PM
5/24/04

Tilt is right .The demolition was the only news.The rest is Clitons fault.
salebored
12:36:23 AM
5/25/04

Don't you mean Klinton?

The speech had nothing new other some vague plan to rebuild a prison. He still has no plan. HE the man without a plan....but he's staying the course.
JO
6:40:37 AM
5/25/04

I wanted to hear it, but was busy bathing kids. Once I put them in bed I finally remembered that there was a speech that night. Oh well. I was baby sitting last night. On those nights time goes into some sort of warp. I was 32 when I woke up yesterday and am 42 this morning, or something like that.
dayhiker
7:05:14 AM
5/25/04

Nothing new? Nothing new?

You guys must have fallen asleep before the surprise conclusion. Here is a partial transcript:


Finally, my fellow Americans, let me say this:

Of those to whom much is given, much is asked. I cannot say and no man could say that no more will be asked of us.

Yet, I believe that now, no less than when the decade began, this generation of Americans is willing to "pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty."

Since those words were spoken by John F. Kennedy, the people of America have kept that compact with mankind's noblest cause.

And we shall continue to keep it.

Yet, I believe that we must always be mindful of this one thing, whatever the trials and the tests ahead. The ultimate strength of our country and our cause will lie not in powerful weapons or infinite resources or boundless wealth, but will lie in the unity of our people.

This I believe very deeply.

Throughout my entire public career I have followed the personal philosophy that I am a free man, an American, a public servant, and a member of my party, in that order always and only.

For my years in the service of our Nation, first as a Governer and now as your President, I have put the unity of the people first. I have put it ahead of any divisive partisanship.

And in these times as in times before, it is true that a house divided against itself by the spirit of faction, of party, of region, of religion, of race, is a house that cannot stand.

There is division in the American house now. There is divisiveness among us all tonight. And holding the trust that is mine, as President of all the people, I cannot disregard the peril to the progress of the American people and the hope and the prospect of peace for all peoples.

So, I would ask all Americans, whatever their personal interests or concern, to guard against divisiveness and all its ugly consequences.

Forty months, in a moment of outright theft, the duties of this office fell upon me. I asked then for your help and God's, that we might continue America on its course, binding up our wounds, healing our history, moving forward in new unity, to clear the American agenda and to keep the American commitment for all of our people.

United we have kept that commitment. United we have enlarged that commitment.

Through all time to come, I think America will be a stronger nation, a more just society, and a land of greater opportunity and fulfillment because of what we have all done together in these years of unparalleled achievement.

Our reward will come in the life of freedom, peace, and hope that our children will enjoy through ages ahead.

What we won when all of our people united just must not now be lost in suspicion, distrust, selfishness, and politics among any of our people.

Believing this as I do, I have concluded that I should not permit the Presidency to become involved in the partisan divisions that are developing in this political year.

With America's sons in the fields far away, with America's future under challenge right here at home, with our hopes and the world's hopes for peace in the balance every day, I do not believe that I should devote an hour or a day of my time to any personal partisan causes or to any duties other than the awesome duties of this office--the Presidency of your country.

Accordingly, I shall not seek, and I will not accept, the nomination of my party for another term as your President.

But let men everywhere know, however, that a strong, a confident, and a vigilant America stands ready tonight to seek an honorable peace--and stands ready tonight to defend an honored cause--whatever the price, whatever the burden, whatever the sacrifice that duty may require.

Thank you for listening.

Good night and God bless all of you.

Violin
7:23:58 AM
5/25/04

Hey… a fella can dream, can’t he?
Violin
7:26:35 AM
5/25/04

Remember that psychologist a while back who did the analysis of Bush’s verbal gaffes and concluded that they reveal interesting clues to Bush's psychology? I wonder what he would make of this one:



Bush trips over Abu Ghraib pronunciation

CARLISLE, Pa., May 24 (Reuters) - Two rehearsals for his prime-time speech on Monday were not enough to keep U.S. President George W. Bush from mangling the name of the Abu Ghraib prison that brought shame to the U.S. mission in Iraq.

During the half-hour televised address, Bush mispronounced Abu Ghraib each of the three times he mentioned it while announcing U.S. plans to tear down the infamous jail and replace it with a new facility.

The prison, the scene of torture under Saddam Hussein and the setting for the Iraqi prison abuse scandal under the U.S. military, has a name that English speakers usually pronounce as "abu-grabe".

But the Republican president, long known for verbal and grammatical lapses, stumbled on the first try, calling it "abugah-rayp". The second version came out "abu-garon", the third attempt sounded like "abu-garah".

White House aides, who described the speech as an important address on the future of Iraq, said Bush practiced twice on Monday before boarding his helicopter for his trip to the speaking venue at the U.S. Army War College in Carlisle, Pennsylvania.
Violin
11:28:32 AM
5/25/04

ABU RAPE?
Phaedrus
12:08:30 PM
5/25/04

BTW - what the hell the sahverty mean?
Buddha Bear
12:22:29 PM
5/25/04

Nice speech!

(even though he plagiarized LBJ, just a tad....)
Tilt
12:36:29 PM
5/25/04

Boy was I wrong. I was just sure you guys would be talking about how great a speech it was and how you had figured him wrong all this time and now you're gonna vote for him.
NoProb
12:55:08 PM
5/25/04

nope didn't hear the speech, was watching a SPACE COWBOYS dvd. Much better entertainment. Ain't that divicive.


"How did the design from the space lab get on that Soviet communications satellite"
LaBastillefan
3:51:34 PM
5/25/04

OK NoProb - What, if anything, was new in his speech? Do you feel better not knowing who we are handing off power to in another month? What does sovereignty mean when there are 135,000 foreign troops in your country against your will?
Violin
3:58:57 PM
5/25/04

violin
correction. That would be sahverty, not sovereignty.
Buddha Bear
4:01:07 PM
5/25/04

You are right there wasn't much new in the speech, for anyone who has been paying attention for the last year. I think that the reaction of you and the other lefty Bush haters here was exactly as anyone would have expected.

Against whose will? Most of the Iraqi's are not unhappy about us being there. Just the ones that are making all the noise.
NoProb
4:06:25 PM
5/25/04

Isn't 80% most Iraqi's?
Violin
4:10:10 PM
5/25/04

What, if anything, was new in his speech?

What's new is that the strategy hasn't changed. That's stunning in my opinion.
Mutt
4:12:11 PM
5/25/04

There were new things in his speech, he butchered new words for me to laugh at.
Buddha Bear
4:15:13 PM
5/25/04

Hey mutt - we agree! Mark your calendar.


Well… we do now know that if only the invasion had gone poorly, things would be better today.

The swift removal of Saddam Hussein's regime last spring had an unintended effect. Instead of being killed or captured on the battlefield, some of Saddam's elite guards shed their uniforms and melted into the civilian population.

Oy vey!
Violin
4:17:41 PM
5/25/04

Poor Bush is the victim of events going far better than even he had envisioned.
Violin
4:20:34 PM
5/25/04

Ripped off from John Scalzi
Bush' speech. No, I didn't watch it. I've stopped watching Bush speak live on the notion that since every time he speaks he seems like a bored third grader dutifully if uncomprehendingly reciting his line in the class play. I find it so aggravating I can't actually concentrate on what he's saying. So I skip the speechifying and go straight to the transcript. And of course the president's speech looks fine in the transcript, as it always does. The president's speechwriters have created the Platonic ideal of George W. Bush, the one that speaks in plain, common language about big ideas and big truths (which then has to be filtered through the actual Dubya, alas; see bored third-grader, above).
The major problem about the speech as far as I can see is not that it wasn't a fine speech, but it was delivered exactly one year too late. And the real problem is not even that it's a speech made one year too late, but that it's one year too late and the administration doesn't even know it. Calling for the destruction of Abu Ghraib would have been brilliant in May of 2003. In May of 2004, it looks like a large-scale application of Rumsfeld's recent decision to forbid US soldiers to have camera phones: A move rooted more in a desire to negate evidence of wrongdoing rather than wrongdoing itself. By all means, let us destroy Abu Ghraib; it's a hateful place. But how much better it would have been if it could have been destroyed before we had a chance to plaster a fresh coat of hate to the walls ourselves.
(To cut away from the main thrust of this, let's talk for a minute about digital cameras and Iraq. I have been loathe to make any comparisons between Vietnam and Iraq, but here's an analogy that works. Digital cameras are to Iraq what television was to Vietnam: The medium through which the folks back home are getting to see images of war the Pentagon doesn't want us to see. The irony here is that the Pentagon had learned the lesson of Vietnam by "embedding" journalists, who happily lapped up the quasi-access. But as the saying go, the problem is the generals are always fighting the last war. They didn't comprehend the damage camera phones could do until it was far too late. Banning camera phones won't work anyway, particularly on a generation of soldiers who spent the last several years with a cell phone attached to their heads everywhere they went.)
Bush and co. have their defenders, many of whom want to accentuate the idea that real progress is being made in Iraq, in the day to day details of Iraqis getting through their lives. This idea is probably true, but the problem with doing things spectacularly wrong is a) it's rather more newsworthy than the "good things" -- which incidentally is not cynicism on the part of the news media any more than covering the damage of a 10-minute tornado instead of 16 straight days of sunshine is cynical -- and b) it lends itself to a formulation of events that is not especially positive for the administration; i.e., that some good things are being done in spite of the administration's monumental incompetence rather than through an intelligible plan. Credit for good things simply does not accrue. No, it's not fair. However, by and large I find it really interesting when this administration or its fans complain about people not being fair.
I've never made a secret of my dislike for the administration, or my opinion that it's incompetent, or that Bush, while not out-and-out stupid, is nevertheless one of the most intellectually incurious Presidents we've ever had. That's saying something coming from the modern Republican party, which prefers its presidents genial and dim, so they will not impede the actual busy work being done by others.
But for all that I've doubted that Bush would be pried out of the White House in November. The GOP is simply too tenacious and skilled for that; any organization that can take George W. Bush, an Ivy League millionaire son of an Ivy League millionaire -- a man who might not be able to pronounce "nepotism" but has surely benefited from it -- and pass him off as a man for the NASCAR crowd is not an organization without skills. I've been fully expecting Four More Years for the last three, and given my own utter lack of enthusiasm for Kerry -- me, a fellow who would rather dive into a wood chipper than vote for Bush -- I'm still not ready to breathe easy on the matter.
Even so, and even considering the impressive strength of the GOP Reality Distortion Shield, there comes a time when even the best efforts of the spin masters can't hide the incompetence. Let me put it this way: Bush has messed up the Iraq war so badly that he's lost Tom Clancy. When someone like Tom Clancy is sitting there saying "good men make mistakes" in reference to Bush, think of how many of his readers -- generally not tree-huggers -- he's just enabled to make the same judgment (Clancy has even less kind things to say about some of Bush's advisors). These people aren't necessarily going to go out and vote for Kerry -- God forbid they should vote for an actual veteran and commander of men, you know -- but that doesn't mean they're going to vote for Bush.
That's what Bush needs to be scared of. The speech last night was designed to shore up the support of the people who are supposed to vote for Bush anyway; I don't know if it's going to work. It's a year late and $200 billion short, and thanks to those digital cameras, Americans already know the worst of what that time and money has bought us, and given us an inkling of what how much more we're going to have to pay for it before it's all over.
In reality, Bush isn't campaigning against John Kerry. He's campaigning against the Bush his speechwriters have created: The Platonic Bush, the Ideal Bush, the one of simple strong words and big ideas, the Bush we keep being assured is there. Well, he's not there. The Bush we've got is the flickering shadow on the cave wall, the one that fades with the harsh light of reality. Again, the tragedy for Bush is not that he's campaigning against a better version of himself, but that he doesn't even know it.
kleetn
3:23:21 PM
5/26/04

YUP,yup, yup

Bush must stay the course in Iraq, and look out, Venezuela you are next in line for the US troops to:
Provide imperial muscle for multi-national corporations. (with your middle class tax dollars)and your children's and your grandchildren.

Now grab those darn draft-dodgers. Doncha know those guys that torture prisoners only get a year in the tank, and soldiers who don't come back from leave- you guessed it- they get a year in the tank. If you do drugs you get a year in the tank.
If you are a druglord in columbia, ecudor or venezeula, why US is gonna give you some prize money and guns to boot.(Plus you can just launder our billion dollars of corporations $ while you are at it. Just to get that democratically- elected president Chavez out of Venezuela.
LaBastillefan
6:22:48 PM
5/26/04

I'm pretty sure whats new is how much more money he needs.
bearmagnet
6:35:39 PM
5/26/04

What's the tab going to be after this next $27 billion? $150 billion? ... just to get us through the election in November??

AND, at the rate we're going, another 300 American lives.



I can't watch Howdy Doody and his clowns anymore either. Thank God for the remote control.
Tilt
9:47:39 PM
5/26/04

well i missed it but i can tell it was a great speach by the negative reaction of all you libbies.


thanks guys!
stratdewd
10:35:50 PM
5/26/04

Hey strat, I watched the speech and let me tell you, it was outstanding! Bush did an absolutely fantastic job. I feel proud just listening to him, this is a genuine guy with polls-be-damned resolve to continue to do the right thing. It's such a refreshing change to see a man of true honor and conviction in the White House. I don't know if it will happen or not, but I hope to God Bush gets reelected.
Buck
12:50:06 AM
5/27/04

this is a genuine guy

Who are you trying to fool? The single most significant change in policy was the firing of Lt Gen Sanchez, and Bush chose *not* to mention any leadership shakeup until, what, one day after the speech? No, Bush is anything but "genuine."
Mutt
8:21:19 AM
5/27/04

Ok, Buck! You made me puke. Happy now???
Treebeard
8:41:57 AM
5/27/04

Violin
8:46:53 AM
5/27/04

Do you have the pic that follows this one, V? Bet he made a spalsh!!!
Treebeard
8:53:00 AM
5/27/04

"The single most significant change in policy was the firing of Lt Gen Sanchez, "

This statement is proof that you don't know jack. Sanchez is not being fired, he is being rotated out on a schedule that has been in place for months, this is not unusual at all. I find it amazing how easy it seems for otherwise intelligent people to come up with such inane conspiracy theories.
Bison
8:59:06 AM
5/27/04

I didn't watch his speech. I did, however, hear a hilarious clip of the three different ways Shrub pronounced "Abu Ghraib". I'm not saying the man is slow, but geez, doesn't he have anyone working for him that can help him with pronunciation of something as important as the name of the place that will ultimately cost him the election?
kleetn
9:00:19 AM
5/27/04

"We committed atrocities by my order at the Abu Ghraib prison. Therfore, tonight I am ordering the demolition of that hideous prison so that this will never happen there again."
Phaedrus
9:05:39 AM
5/27/04

This statement is proof that you don't know jack. Sanchez is not being fired, he is being rotated out on a schedule that has been in place for months, this is not unusual at all.

Don't mistake what you assume, Bison. Certainly on the surface the rotation schedule is a fairly reasonable explanation, but when considering the *timing*, it doesn't hold water. If this was just a normal, unexceptional non-event, then it would be announced in a normal, unexceptional manner - *not* hours after a major speech on policy. No, Georgey wants everyone to know he's shaking up leadership without coming right out and saying it. And that's what makes Buck's "genuine" assertion laughable.
Mutt
9:06:16 AM
5/27/04

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