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She's actually fairly self-sufficient.
Tilt
3:47:08 PM
3/07/02

Is she ashes or dust? Do you use a Nalgene container?
Pathman
4:28:48 PM
3/07/02

Use the Nalgene but clear one so she can see good.

8)
its crazy mike
4:30:26 PM
3/07/02

Yeah... She's a little dusty (sometimes mistaken for Anthrax spores, here lately), but she's a great help with telling ghost stories.
Tilt
4:35:33 PM
3/07/02

LMAO!!!!!


8)
its crazy mike
4:36:46 PM
3/07/02

I guess hydration isn't really an issue, is it?
skullcap
4:38:30 PM
3/07/02

eeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwww...
Tilt
4:42:54 PM
3/07/02

No, but dessication is!
Pathman
4:43:53 PM
3/07/02

LMAO!!!


















I grossed out Ti-ilt, I grossed out Ti-ilt. Neener, neener, neeeeeeeeeeeeeener!
skullcap
4:47:29 PM
3/07/02

LMAO!!!!!


8)
its crazy mike
4:53:11 PM
3/07/02

I just flashed on Jello Instant Pudding, oKAy?
Tilt
6:29:16 PM
3/07/02

So did I. Ahhhhhhhhahahahahahahaha!!!
skullcap
7:28:00 PM
3/07/02

That sounds good a whole bowl of orange.

Ummmmmmmmmmm.....JELLO....!

8)
its crazy mike
7:43:57 PM
3/07/02

Would Ayn Rand be a car camper, or would she be a purist? I would imagine that, in the next 300 posts or so, we can come to some conclusion about this.
Talk amongst yourselves.
Dunadan
9:07:09 PM
3/07/02

She would be a purist!

8|
its crazy mike
9:10:19 PM
3/07/02

AAIiiieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!
Tilt
9:52:07 PM
3/07/02

What's the matter, Tilt? Got no stomach for philosophy?
Dunadan
9:53:57 PM
3/07/02

this thread actually caught on?
J0SH
10:04:23 PM
3/07/02

Who da fuk is Ayn Rand?
walkindude
10:04:58 PM
3/07/02

How does one lead a carcamping life in an irrational society of backpackers?"
arclite
5:00:35 AM
3/08/02

I don't know. Ask Lizs.
hehehe
walkindude
5:50:59 AM
3/08/02

I would take a dog camping before I took Ayn Rand.
bacpac
6:08:10 AM
3/08/02

Is Lizs considered the Car-Camping-Queen on this site?
Dunadan
7:15:54 AM
3/08/02

That's Car Camping Godess to us lesser beings, Dunadan. I believe she prefers to be referred to as 'Your Worshipfullness'. LOL!
skullcap
7:18:21 AM
3/08/02

Hey, whatever she wants is OK by me. It must get tiring pulling her pack in and out of her car, though.
Dunadan
7:28:28 AM
3/08/02

It's trying to sleep in bucket seats that's the tough part.
skullcap
7:29:39 AM
3/08/02

Let's don't even go into that gear-shift thing.
Dunadan
7:30:56 AM
3/08/02

OK by me. Next tangent....!
skullcap
7:33:40 AM
3/08/02

If there were any real men here they’d tell us (loudly, within earshot of a crowd) exactly where Ayn Rand stood on the issue of spineless wimps who car camp and they’d likely kill anyone who disagreed.
Violin
10:17:31 AM
3/08/02

I don't know where she stood, but she's not standing any more.
Pathman
10:29:08 AM
3/08/02

The Ayn Rand Channel(er)
I just completed my séance, and Ayn has finally made me listen to reason. I would like you to know that Ayn and I decry all the whiners who glorify the crypto-socialist bureaucracy that glorifies the seizure of land for non-productive purposes. There is no land more be-fouled, more ruined, more polluted than land without productive purpose. Conserved land is ruined land. The notion that unproductive species (most species with a few exceptions, such as the ants and the beavers) have some un-earned right to live off of lands that could be transformed and utilized by the productive classes.

Car camping and backpacking are fine endeavors if done thoughtfully, reasonably and guided by rational self-interest. I will choose not pursue these activities on government controlled land, or so called “conservation land.” Only privately held land, particularly land owned for constructive purposes (such as logging) is genuinely free land.

Decisions about land use, backpacking, and car camping must be guided by reason. Reason is man's tool of knowledge, the faculty that enables him to perceive the facts of reality. To act rationally means to act in accordance with the facts of reality. Emotions such as a self proclaimed “love of the land” or “love of nature” are poor reasons for car camping or backpacking. Emotions are not tools of cognition. What you feel tells you nothing about the facts; it merely tells you something about your estimate of the facts. Emotions are the result of your value judgments; they are caused by your basic premises, which you may hold consciously or subconsciously, which may be right or wrong. The worst is when people backpack or car camp on a “whim.” A whim is an emotion whose cause you neither know nor care to discover. Now what does it mean, to act on whim? It means that a man acts like a zombi, without any knowledge of what he deals with, what he wants to accomplish, or what motivates him. It means that a man acts in a state of temporary insanity. Is this what you call natural , nobler manly? To act against the facts of reality can result only in destruction of what is noblest about humanity.
pedxing
11:00:56 AM
3/08/02

Ooops, we meant: "The notion that unproductive species (most species with a few exceptions, such as the ants and the beavers) have some un-earned right to live off of lands that could be transformed and utilized by the productive classes is irrational, unreasonable and depraved."
pedxing
11:05:12 AM
3/08/02

BY GOD! I'm a believer!

Where do I sign up?
arclite
11:05:44 AM
3/08/02

Let's here it for 'depraved'! YIPPEEEEE!


I tried camping on a whim once, but my tentstakes wouldn't hold...
Tilt
11:41:27 AM
3/08/02

She's car camping. It's raining. You're backpacking and you're soaking wet and knock on the window asking if you can share the car with her. The car is small. She says, "There is no more room in this car."
aero
11:42:43 AM
3/08/02

Doing things by God is irrational. The idea that there is a God in whose interests we should act is pernicious. The idea that some unseen God will punish or reward us for acting in ways which go against our rational and objective interests is depraved. Belief in any non-objective entity, whether it be a collectivity such as "the people" or a mystification such as a deity, exists and maintains its force by subracting it from the energy and resources available for the individuals' pursuit of real value.
pedxing
11:43:09 AM
3/08/02

BY PEDXING! I'm a believer!

Where do I sign up?
arclite
11:48:57 AM
3/08/02

Take a load off Aynnie!
Interesting Tilt. And what does the experience tell you???

That tent stakes must always be anchored in something which is objectively real! Any structure we erect, whether it be a tent, a philosophy or a tall building, must be grounded in things that are in fact present.

A is A.
If you disagree with me (and Aynnie), your "A" is not real (because it is not really "A").
Therefore, if you disagree with me (and Aynnie)you are an "A-hole."
We, on the other hand, are "A-wholes."
pedxing
11:50:59 AM
3/08/02

LOL! By yourself (or at the very least, by Aynnie) Mr. Arclite!
pedxing
11:54:43 AM
3/08/02

You've given me an idea Arc. Maybe we should start a Randian backpacking club. We would hike in privately owned landed which was being put to constructive use. We could go out and appreciate the results of human creativity and productivity.
pedxing
11:58:24 AM
3/08/02

On the downside, you might get busted for trespassing, *G* (and construction sites aren't the safest places to be hanging around in the dark).

I have learned that one may go camping on a whim, but one should not attempt to set up on one's tent on said whim. I believe Goldilocks had the right idea: not too soft, not too hard, not too cold, not too hot...

It works for philosophies, as well as porridge.
Tilt
12:28:46 PM
3/08/02

Randian backpacking club credo: Wilderness-land of no use
aero
12:29:44 PM
3/08/02

'Car Camping' was my favorite AR book!

Car Camping : Coming Of Age And Self-Indulgence
By Violin

Frequent allusions to loss of innocence have led many critics to question Rand's intelligence. Still, while scholars often feel Car Camping is pandering, it is one of Rand's most timeless works. In the following paragraphs, evidence will be presented that clearly demonstrates Car Camping's Minimalist overtones and views on humanity are not evidence of Rand's surrender to peer pressure. Support for this claim is present in the following: (a) Rand's insane take on destiny throughout the book, (b) the Dadaist theme of iconoclasm in Car Camping, and (c) the author's incorporation of self-indulgence, showing the influence of the the pre Minimalist movement.

Consider this passage: "The game was up." (Rand 89) Notice how the juxtapostion shown here almost eclipses the sense of social commentary. Of course, like all great works, Car Camping has its flaws! Nonetheless, we must be careful in making assumptions.

These themes are most evident in first half of Car Camping, for that is when Rand's often ponderous prose shines most brightly. While most other Greek authors conceived of their characters as post reactionary symbols, Rand's lusted for real reason! This becomes clear only when one considers the book's famous line, "She looked to the bleak horizon." (Rand 93)

His sadness was deep, as if it wouldn't end. The whiskey tasted good to the man. There was hope in her eyes; in his, hope of a different kind. Surely, fate was with them. She looked to the bleak horizon. The woman looked into his eyes. (Rand 90)
With these words, Rand devastated her critics; the Modernist implications of this are wide-ranging.

The tragedy in Car Camping really hits you like a rock. Still, Car Camping was not originally seen as a tour de force by the intelligensia. Nowadays this is truly foolish. As an affirmation of being, this is Rand's grandest statement.

Consider that Car Camping was not so much written by Rand as belched forth in a fit of sublime inspiration. Car Camping's portrayal of sexual identity is in keeping with its Colonialist point-of-view. This reasoning differs radically from traditional theories of the Romantic school of French literature.

To start, The protagonist's life is dominated by hope, and the character of Mr. Daniel is ponderous as a symbol of tragedy. In the latter half the reader is presented with a paradox: though the characters seem unable to escape the journey, they are simultaneously simple and obviously brainless. To see how this supports my previous claim is quite trivial; as pure journalism, Car Camping was assailed for such statements. Give me a goddamn break!

Rand's teen sympathies are evident in Car Camping. In the closing scene the reader is presented with a paradox: though the characters seem unable to escape political commentary, they are simultaneously simple and powerful. David Stephenson is a surprisingly powerful character.

All they needed was being. It was late at night when the old man died. The whiskey tasted good to the man. He sat in the chair. Life offered nothing but fear itself. His sadness was deep, as if it wouldn't end. (Rand 122)
The question is begged: what is really going on here; still, the Constructivist implications of this are wide-ranging.

Rand's employment of such imagery is most skillful in Car Camping's triumphant prologue. To indicate that Moby Stephenson is the work's villain, the author makes his dialogue simple. Rand's point here is clear: religion and humanity are part and parcel.

What ignorant moron annointed Rand as the Romantic savior? Car Camping is not so much non-fiction per se as it is Rand's most heart-felt explanation of reality. At best, this is the pandering critique. Yet again, the curs of ignorance slaver at the heels of reason.

Consider that Car Camping was not so much written by Rand as belched forth in a fit of sublime inspiration. To indicate that William Daniel is the work's villain, the author makes his dialogue ponderous. Clearly, Rand meant this as a critique of incest; at best, this is the pandering critique. This begs the question: why?

What ignorant moron annointed Rand as the conservative savior? For the expatriot community there can be no other conclusion. Clearly, Rand meant this as a critique of the supernatural.

She sat on the bed. The game was up. He was ready for any unforeseen event. He was ready for any unforeseen event. Life offered nothing but fear itself. Her eyes were blue like sapphires. (Rand 97)
The contemplation of this passage is beyond me; Car Camping's discordant amalgam of social commentary and the absurd couldn't be more forceful.

Car Camping is totally a triumphant work. As such, the words of the character Captain Caulfield ring true: "All they needed was immortality." The casual critic habitually misses this point; as pure non-fiction, Car Camping was assailed for such statements. Quelle injuste!

In Car Camping's first half we find Rand at her worst. But even this section can still prove fecund to the Italian reader. Consider: "He drank the coffee." (Rand 93) Though these words have a Constructivist quality, they also reveal search for immortality. To indicate that Holden Dick is the work's villain, the author makes his dialogue drug-influenced. Little Timmy Stephenson's famously pandering attitude throughout the book is often blamed; that's the feminist assumption, at least.

Rand's intelligence is truly evident in Car Camping. As such, the words of the character Benvolio Lewis ring true: "It was a terrible week in France." Parts of the book's latter half are often cited as evidence.

The satire motif in Car Camping was not original with Rand. Consider this famous quote by Tom Wolfe: "Surely, fate was with them." In some circles, this caused revolution; in others, revulsion. While this fact allays most of Rand's feminist detractors, it has led a certain Romantic critic-- the execrable Tom Wolfe --to proclaim "notice how the destiny shown here almost eclipses the sense of coming of age." This becomes meaningful only when one considers the book's famous line, "Unheard, I cried"; parts of the book's final paragraph are often cited as evidence.

She sat on the bed. All they needed was salvation. Her eyes were blue like sapphires. His face was bright as he looked at her. He sat in the chair. She was not so much fat as unloved. (Rand 122)
One can see that juxtapostion is right around the corner; still, truer words have never been uttered, at least not by me.

Consider this passage: "All they needed was salvation." (Rand 89) To conclude from this that my argument is true is... trivial. Wars have been fought over less. This is possibly why Little Timmy Crane is such a powerful character; Rand's point here is clear: humanity and truth are part and parcel.

Third, pathos is not Car Camping's only theme; there is also pure religion. It's quite obvious that Rand's sanity was tenuous at best by the time Car Camping was completed. Nonetheless, we must be careful in making assumptions.

Car Camping remains the most important incorporation of truth ever committed to paper. Perhaps it's time that scholars reevaluated their estimation of the book. Though contemporaries found Rand's use of human nature simple, history will vindicate Car Camping. God rest ye, Ayn Rand.

The End
Violin
1:56:25 PM
3/08/02

Not that anybody asked.
It's the automatic paper-writer.
Violin
2:48:14 PM
3/08/02

LMAO @ Violin!! and at this whole thread, really :-D

happy fry day, you goons! :-)
lyra
3:08:26 PM
3/08/02

You people frighten me. You truly do.


; )


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skullcap
3:18:09 PM
3/08/02

you like a good scare, doncha skully? :-)
lyra
3:20:25 PM
3/08/02

Oh Lord, please no, Ped. I love the idea behind a philosopher's hike, I think we'd have a blast. But I go into the woods to be away from man's creations for a while.

Years ago, in a class, we had a project to design a temple on the wooded grounds of a religious organization. This was a structure for meditation. The people would be using this area for religious retreats. The property was on about 50 acres next to a river that had no local development.

I will never forget the girl who plopped her structure down in the middle of a beautiful clearing right by the side of the river. There was a pretty little cove, with some beautiful live oak trees overhanging a grassy clearing, right beside the river. It was a wonderfully meditative spot. Her reasoning? "A building always improves a site."

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa...hey I love well designed buildings, but....Aaaaaaaaaaaaa.

I will NEVER forget her egomaniacal comment.

Let's leave the man-made away from the wilderness, please. 'Course that will mean that we either get used to a higher population density or that people stop having more than two kids.
arclite
3:21:28 PM
3/08/02

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa = Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
kleetn
3:47:54 PM
3/08/02

Ayn Rand pandering to Car Camperz?!?!?

Judith Crist!
Tilt
3:59:33 PM
3/08/02

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