**BUSH'S Tax Refunds***

“I may be over stepping my boundries, but you'll let me know.
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Have you gotten your tax refund yet? if so when

How much $$ did you get?

How much do you love GW for giving you more $$$$$ that Gore would have blindly given it to any hand that would take it???


L8ter all”

“what exactly is your point Tea? good or bad GWB?

And by the way did you get a return this year?”

“I bought a year round pass to Disneyland... I'm glad I got it, there are other things I would have liked to see the gov do... but it doesn't suck to get extra dough.... how's the job coming Tea?”

“My refund $1225.37 Fed
My state $34.02

And it was spent a long time ago!

8)”

“.....MY bad wrong one I got that $300 along time ago and it has been long spent!

8)”

“Mine was close to Crazy Mike's..”

“Last year we broke even..this year about 800 back..thanks Dubya...”

“I dump money in even!

It works out better that way.

8)”

“Glad you like my tax breaks.

Bet you won't remember me when your retirement years come and there's no Social Security that you paid taxes into.

Ha ha. Good trick, eh?

*WINK*”

“Won't need it.

8)”

“Won't need it? Maybe so. But you paid taxes for it. Bait and switch.”

“I am getting under a grand but I don't let Uncle Sam hold my cash. I pay my own taxes and hold the money myself so "I" make the interest on it.”

“Almost forgot. George W. Evildoer's a dildo.”

“Tax refunds are not a good idea. A refund means you gave an interest free loan to the IRS. The best tax and financial plan is to owe as much as you can without incurring a penalty. Write a big check to Uncle Sam on April 15, not before.

That way you earn interest on the taxes you owe and you are paying your taxes with inflated dollars.”

“Gordon, I agree, assuming you have the big bucks to send in four times a year.”

“If there is anyone here that actually thinks they are gonna get anything from SS(40 and under) Then I've really bad news for you........I'm glad I'm involved with the teaching profession...we have our own little racket where our SS dollars actually go to a real retirement...It's not fair to the rest of you, but I'll take what I can get...It'd be even better if everyone got this deal....”

“the refunds were a sham (I'm glad I got mine though)... Dubya is always breaking his arm patting himself on the back "it's your money!" Damn skippy.... so is Dubyas paycheck... so is the money spent to encourage unwed mothers to get married... I want that money back, the money that's spent on studies about how illegal aliens live, I want that money back too, the millions of dollars spent to find out that Clinton gets laid a lot (I already knew that) I want that back too... I say tax revenue goes to: Education (a NEW system that will create the best minds in the world) Defense (the military knew the face of war was changing, we need to beef up our spec ops effort) And infrastructure (I basically mean roads and airports, FORGET energy that's a private enterprise thing... we already have the cheapest gas in the world!) Um... finding a way to get social security handled for the current users, and improving it or replacing it so it's profitable”

“How is it a refund when there is no money to give back? The govt. is spending in the hole to give us that money. Print a buck and buy a vote. It doesn't matter that we are the ones accountable for the debt or anything.

OHHHH Whell”

“Thinair...Man your from Fresno...the conservative central Valley...why do you continue to betray your humble roots...I'm very dissapointed...The GOVT. spends way way way to much money...gives us the taxcut..and cut out the pork...the money is much better in the hands of the people who earned it...the GOVT will never be effiecient at spending cash..they just don't respect it..because they never earned it....”

“Donman, how can you dare to spin propaganda at the republicans.

Donman, your librial Department of education doesn't have a clue where 450 million is. They just lost it??? Think what would happen if you just lost 450 million of your money in your tax forms, you would be sitting in jail for 50 years. Speaking of education, can you tell me why after 25 years and 125 billion later, the same exact percentage of innercitty students in the 4th grade can bearly read af 25 years ago?

Can you tell me why, and for what reason the Clinton administration sent one billion dollars to Haiti? Hell, the GAO doesn't even know that.

Do you know where the money came from for your royal highness Hillary's campain came from? You guessed it, our tax dollors. I don't think that is right now do you?

Don't forget about Hillary and Chelsea's trip to noarth africa that cost us a round trip of 2.3 million, and that is not even all of the trips costs because they won't let the press know what ells they spent our money on.

I'm sure I have stated my case well. They are all facts, not that spun propaganda that your bias CNN is feeding you. You be the judge.”

“Wow!”

“There will still be plenty of money is the SSS when I retire. You young punks will have to fend for yourselves.

MoooooHaaaaaaHaaaaa”

“It's so hard to resist the compelling "logic"...but how can you take seriously an argument against the department of education from a kid that can't spell?”

“People tend to forget that when the social (in)security system was created, it was intended to supplement your retirement income, not be your only income.

The reason that the system is going to be insolvent is due to the number of people (mostly recent immigrants who have never paid a dime into the system) getting money through SSDI and other give aways. By the way, Social Security is a separate tax from Federal Income tax. A cut in the Federal Income tax rate doesn't cut the Social Security tax rate. GDE might know this if he ever earned a paycheck to look at.”

“I love ya Ice Tea, I really do... but I said we need to create a NEW education system. If you think I'm liberal you need to put down the crack pipe! Our Government is corrupt PERIOD! I don't care who's in office. Both "Parties" are really good at focusing blame at each other and having pet causes while ignoring the real issues? It's a great way to keep people from really looking. The Republicans and Democrats do the SAME exact things under different names just to polarize the population to create a power base. IT'S ALL CRAP! Liberal media? Sure some of the people involved are liberal... but come on now! The highest rated Cable News network is Fox News (owned by Rupert Murdock, and illegal alien who bought his citizenship from Newt Gingrich)”

“If they hold one dollar of mine for even a day I lose!

Hope people wake up in this country, and see that letting people decide where there money goes is the only way. I sure don't want the government redistrubuting my hard earned money...let me give it out!!

Live well...”

“The republican party is not nearly as dirty as the democrats.”

“believe that if you want Tea... I was a Republican for awhile... The Republicans sell their souls to companies. Look into Nixon, Iran Contra, Enron, the KKK during the 30's... the list goes on and on. I'm not saying the Democrats are worse or better, I'm saying both parties are just interested in lining their pockets and they don't give a crap about you or me.”

“Bush cares. Hey maybe that can be a pet program, lets drop a few billion into that. The libs will love that.”

“Bush cares? That's why he's spending this country into debt! That's why he helped Enron bilk California! That's why his administration blamed Clinton for the problems in the middle east! I get it now”

“I think we have to pay taxes on that refund. That means half. We got $600 back-it is long gone--God knows where.”

“You don't have to pay taxes on what you got in the refund last year ($300-600), the line that asks how much you got so that those who should have but didn't get theirs last year can claim it and get it now.”

“The middle east problems is clintons fault. Bin-laden was offered to Clinton on a sliver platter and clinton didn't take him.

Clinton cut back out millitatry and CIA forces greatly. Who knows, the CIA people that clinton pulled out of the middle east may have been the guys that would have found out about 911 befor any of this happen.

Country in Debt?????? The country has been in debt since 1776, this is nothing new.

Those are facts, you can't denigh them. What you say is all opinion

Enron, and California!!!!! If those dumb librails out there in lib land stopped bítching about saving the earth they would have there dang ellectrisity.
Don't get me wrong, save the earth, but save the human race first. After all, its not going to madder much what earth looks like if we are all dead.”

“LMAO @ Ice Tea. U be stoopid. When Reagan took office the country was 1 trillion dollars in debt. When he left the country was 4 trillion in debt.

Reagan was a REPUBLICAN. Big spender that dude.”

“Numbers don't decide everything, without the defense, etc, that Reagan provided maybe the cold war would still be around?

And I mentioned this just a second ago(weird twice in an hour) but I'd better again...except for 1984 Reagan's proposed budgets were less than the democratic congresses...so get a clue before you open your mouth!!! The liberals running congress couldn't spend enough...

Typical liberal...never looking at the whole picture, just thinking with there emotions!”

“Freakin' dogmatic retards! it's not about party, and Bin Laden got his start with US money from Regan (yes, and family money too, but the war against Russia financed by Regan gave him his training), then with us in Saudi is when he got pissed and went after us. When it comes to the "new" nuclear threat, that really started with the end of the cold war, Soviet states were SELLING nukes and nuke technology to ANYONE! As for the librials in CA, We went to free-market electricity under Davis, but the law was signed by Pete Wilson (rep). Now in addition to that our "shortage" was a SCAM! I watch our consumption on a daily basis and it has NEVER exceeded what we can produce. If you looked you'd notice that L.A. didn't go free-market, and they ended up selling the rest of the state their surplus. STOP believing talk shows, STOP believing the news. Look at the ACTUAL sources for your info... everything else is spin to keep corruption in place.”

“itsonlynatural, the Cold war would still be around if it weren't for Osama. It was the bleeding of the Soviets during the Afghan war that brought the end of the Cold War.”

“The Bush administration is supporting new tariffs for the steel industry... essentially raising the price of everything from automobiles to washing machines. It's a tax on the average American. Bush is also requiring two forms of ID to board a plane now. It must be a driver's license, military ID, or passport. This forces the lower income American to pay government fees for a passport now. (or go through the hassle of getting a police report). Another tax on the average Joe.”

“P.S. Even conservative Robert Novak called it a tax increase.”

“Gee I don't have my ready to file yet.....money back gee I can only hope.
Barbara”

“Meme Watch: A Unified Theory of Bush Lies?

Why did Bush's tax cut exclude so many low-income families?
By Timothy Noah Slate

On April 26, President Bush said in his weekly radio address, "My jobs and growth plan would reduce tax rates for everyone who pays income tax."

That turned out not to be true. According to the nonprofit Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, an unspecified number of low- and middle-income families received no tax cut at all because they'd been excluded from an expansion of the child-care tax credit.

A Republican spokesperson for the House Ways and Means Committee told the New York Times that the benefit had not been extended to these low- and middle-income families because $30 billion in tax cuts had to be taken out of the bill to suit Sen. George Voinovich, a Republican deficit hawk.

That was obviously not true. As the Times reported, extending the benefit would have cost a mere $3.5 billion. It could have been put back in had Congress been willing to lower the top income tax rate to 35.3 percent rather than 35 percent, according to the CBPP. Or, if that had been too controversial, $3.5 billion in tax shelters could have been shut down.

Asked about the exclusion of the child-care credit for low- and middle-income families, White House press spokesman Ari Fleischer reaffirmed that all taxpayers would receive tax cuts, because the people affected by the exclusion weren't taxpayers. They were folks who received public assistance via the Earned Income Tax Credit, a program to help the working poor, who would merely have to settle for a little less cash than they would have received had there been no exclusion. But any low-income folks who earned enough to pay taxes would henceforth pay less.

That turned out not to be true. Researchers at the Urban Institute-Brookings Institution Tax Policy Center found 8.1 million tax filers would receive no tax cuts.

Fleischer had specifically stated, "People in the 10 percent bracket, they benefit the most from" the Bush tax cut.

That turned out not to be true. Crunching the Tax Policy Center numbers, CBPP found that 89 percent of all single taxpayers (as opposed to "head of household" taxpayers) in the 10 percent bracket would receive no tax relief. It said some "head of household" taxpayers in the 10 percent bracket were left out, too.

When people give many different explanations about why they did something, and all of them turn out not to be true, chances are they don't want to talk about the real explanation. Why did the Bush administration allow Congress to take tax breaks away from the poor? A possible hint can be found in this remark by Fleischer:

[F]or people who have had their entire income tax burden forgiven, I think they're very appreciative of the fact that they pay no income taxes in America and still benefit from a national defense, which is paid from income taxes; they still benefit from school programs that are paid at the federal level income taxes. They still benefit from a host of programs that income taxes help them in their daily lives; yet they pay zero income taxes. In fact, they get back money from the Treasury which is in the form of public assistance, above and beyond income taxes.

Chatterbox detects a note of pique here, as if Fleischer, in saying these subsidized free riders were "very appreciative" of their status, really meant to say that they damn well ought to be "very appreciative." Whence this resentment of housekeepers and janitors? Perhaps from the conviction that poor people ought to pay more in taxes, or at least ought to receive less from the Earned Income Tax Credit, because otherwise they will never learn to appreciate that the government services they crave cost money. Perhaps what Fleischer and others in the Bush administration long to say, and yet can't, is that taxing the poor, far from being a regrettable byproduct of lowering taxes on the rich, is a good in and of itself.

As Chatterbox has noted previously, this tax-the-poor meme has acquired some respectability inside the conservative think tanks and on the editorial page of the Wall Street Journal. Fox commentator Tony Snow endorsed it on television, and, shockingly, even conservative-but-sensible Newsweek economics columnist Robert Samuelson made a pitch for it. The Bush administration rolled it around on the back of its tongue and then spat it out, no doubt realizing its incompatibility with Bush's now-laughable slogan, "compassionate conservatism." Maybe, though, it's back.”

“How one feels about the tax bill is a function of how it personally effects you.

It will knock a couple of thousand dollars off what I owe each year, so I think it's great.”

“If you are a young Republican, you have no heart.

If you are an old Democrat, you have no brain.

Violin,
Where do you fit in ??”

“I'm making out great. However, I think it's fundamentally unfair and will undermine our long term prosperity.”

“the only thing that bothers me is U.S. Service people aren't getting jack out of this”

“Bush has also slashed a number of veterans benefits.”

“What a laugh. Is anyone surprised that the "benefits" for the poor were gutted "at the last second"?

I can't wait until Bush goes down in flames...”

“Pleeeeze- The poor pay no taxes, the numbers V quote are cooked. If you pay taxes you now pay less, If you didn't pay any to start how can you complain about not getting a cut, tough to cut a 0. The size of the cut cannot effect long term prosperity if anything its too small after whittling down to do any good.”

“Service people aren't getting a tax cut, and they pay taxes. It may only be 19% or so, but 19% of 12,000 a year is pretty steep”

“I hadn't seen any figures on service people but that seems a little hard to believe. I don't think any make 12K now. Granted its not nearly as much as it should be for that job but isn't teh botom like 19K? Someone making 12K isn't paying tax.”