Who believes in Global Warming?

“Coral reefs are deteriorating in a number of places they say.

This matter of the supposed warming of Mars makes me wonder

how accurately and how long have scientists been able to determine the average temperature of that planet?

While they might be able to now, I imagine that is a fairly new ability and so there is no good historical data for comparison.”

“It could be pollution too. More people every year throwing more waste into the ocean.”

“Interesting note about Mars warming.

If true it would indicate that the cause of global warming was expansion of the sun.

Eventually the sun's mass will decrease to the point where there is insufficient gravity to hold it together. The resulting nova will expand the sun to beyond the planet Mars.

Maybe those "End of the World" prophets were closer than they thought and it has started already, a few million years earlier than expected.”

“My buddy Neptune ask for more full beers and not so many empties.”

“Sun's Output Increasing in Possible Trend Fueling Global Warming

In what could be the simplest explanation for one component of global warming, a new study shows the Sun's radiation has increased by .05 percent per decade since the late 1970s.

The increase would only be significant to Earth's climate if it has been going on for a century or more, said study leader Richard Willson, a Columbia University researcher also affiliated with NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies.

The Sun's increasing output has only been monitored with precision since satellite technology allowed necessary observations. Willson is not sure if the trend extends further back in time, but other studies suggest it does.

"This trend is important because, if sustained over many decades, it could cause significant climate change," Willson said. .
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http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/sun_output_030320.html”

“I blame all the politicians and lobbyist in DC for global warming. All that hot air in one place can't be good for the environment.”

“You talk about politicians like that ,no wonder their not going to give us $100.00 per household for gas.LOL”

“You know Lumber I think you are on to something....”

“1/20th. of one percent per decade, huh?

In 3.5 decades, that would be 1.00175 times the power of sunlight now versus 30 years ago, likely cyclical, minor fluctuations up and down have occurred for 6 billion years, yet overall is amazingly stable.

Now, let's see, how much has the percentage of CO2 in the atmosphere increased in the last 35 years?
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“Yah! Now I'll buy that 50 foot long motor home and tow a 6,000lbs SUV. I knew all the time those nice guys at Exxxxxxxxon were right.”

“Wanting something to be the truth doesn't make it so.”

“woohooo, its gonna be good swimming weather for traildays”

“http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/02/AR2006050201677.html

A government study released yesterday undermines one of the key arguments of climate change skeptics, concluding there is no statistically significant conflict between measures of global warming on the earth's surface and in the atmosphere.”

“Y2 wears flip-flops!!

>8^P”

““Yah! Now I'll buy that 50 foot long motor home and tow a 6,000lbs SUV. I knew all the time those nice guys at Exxxxxxxxon were right.”
4 sale cheap.”

“#&%!$ing flip-flops”

“Good morning, Flip!!”

“lone surveyor...did you use fluctuations?

Well Flucuamericans too.”

“Time and again during this discussion of global warming/climate change

it has been pointed out that humans can't possibly have any appreciable effect upon something as large as the atmosphere of this world.

Well, I just heard a curious statistic on the National Geographic Channel:

The percentage of the world's land covered with rainforests has been decreased from 14% just 150 years ago to 6% now, almost totally due to clearing, burning and conversion to agricultural lands by people. Oh yeh and the rate at which the rainforests are disappearing is increasing. That doesn't sound good to me but I'm sure some here will say 'so what'.

Thats what was reported, I suppose they could be lying or are just completely misinformed.
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“It says the destruction has essentially occurred since 1950 -

In 1950, about 15 percent of the Earth's land surface was covered by rainforest. Today, more than half has already gone up in smoke. In fewer than fifty years, more than half of the world's tropical rainforests have fallen victim to fire and the chain saw, and the rate of destruction is still accelerating. Unbelievably, more than 200,000 acres of rainforest are burned every day. That is more than 150 acres lost every minute of every day, and 78 million acres lost every year! More than 20 percent of the Amazon rainforest is already gone, and much more is severely threatened as the destruction continues. It is estimated that the Amazon alone is vanishing at a rate of 20,000 square miles a year. If nothing is done to curb this trend, the entire Amazon could well be gone within fifty years.

http://www.rain-tree.com/facts.htm
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“Gotta put those cattle ranches somewhere, LS.”

“Ethenol bound sugar cane fields.I wonder how they compare in oxygen production to the forest they supplant?”

“Bearmagnet, due to the structure of tropical soils, the cattle grazing areas are only productive for a few seasons after the rainforests are cleared and then turn into eroded wastelands taking decades or centuries to recover to a viable rainforest. Tropical soils are very low in nutrients with the available nutrients mostly all tied up in the biomass above the surface, so when the forests are burned the nutrients are then concentrated on the surface and support pasture for only a brief time until oxidation and erosion remove them. Due the the extremely low cation exchange capacity of tropical soils, the soils will not absorb and hold the nutrients. So, a better answer needs to be found than 'the cattle ranches have to go somewhere'.

Same thing with sugar cane fields, will only produce for a few seasons until an eroded wasteland results and, no, the addition of fertilizer does not help due to the low cation exchange capacity of the soils, they will not absorb and then release added nutrients, besides fertilizer is made from hydrocarbons so defeats the purpose of raising biomass to convert to fuel.

The problem that would well be addressed in the tropical areas of the world is that the number of humans there has tripled and in some areas quadrupled just in the last 75 years.

Lets talk about real numbers, not 1/20th. of one percent per decade!
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“Thats what we get for supporting programs like UNICEF, World Health Organization, Doctors Without Borders, CARE, Peace Corp, etc. Without all those do gooders the population levels would not be affecting the rain forests.”

“Yes, the death rate in those areas has been considerably dealt with.

Its now time (past time) to deal with the birth rate, which of course would best be accomplished thru education, not government mandates.”

“No problem Lone', the loving peaceful religion of Islam will find ways to cull those masses. They are doing a great job in the Sudan and Dafar....”

“Some of the causes are natural; some are caused by man. But the evidence is overwhelming in support of the fact that we are experiencing global climate change and warming.

Sir David King, the U.K. government's Chief Scientific Advisor in 2004 reported revealing research confirming the relationship between carbon dioxide levels and temperature change.

When the Industrial Revolution began, the atmospheric CO2 level was roughly 270 ppm. The 337 ppm registered for 2004 is not only far above any level over the last 740,000 years, it may be nearing a level not seen for 55 million years.

Source:
1."Atmospheric CO2 Records from Sites in the SIO Air Sampling Network," in Trends: A Compendium of Data on Global Change (Oak Ridge, TN: Carbon Dioxide Information Analysis Center, Oak Ridge National Laboratory, May 2005)
2. Lester Brown, Earth Policy Institute

Think about that for a moment. There was no polar ice and the sea level was 80 meters higher than it is today. The amount of CO2 in the atmosphere has risen substantially since the Industrial Revolution, with most of the rise coming since recordkeeping began in 1959.

Meterologists note that the 22 warmest years on record have come since 1980.”

“Yes, XL, while the death rate has been substantially lowered thruout the world this last 50 years or so

the lowering will prove to be only temporary.

Widespread war will likely be a result of resource depletion and overcrowding.”

“I was being sarcastic on several levels, LS.

However, I might point out that factory farming is exploding all over the World thanks to the US. Therefore, you can set up a giant farm in a cleared area of the Amazon and not worry about soil quality, ever.

Grain bred & fead. Hmm, Hmm, good.”

“Global warming killed mammoths!!

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsarticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyid=2006-05-10T184512Z_01_L10609712_RTRUKOC_0_US-SCIENCE-EXTINCTION.xml&src=rss&rpc=22

The wetter, warmer summers led to changes in vegetation to which mammoths and wild horses could not adapt.
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“I saw in a sportsman’s paper I get that like 9 or 10 states are suing the EPA for global warming? WTF? How can you sue someone for something that can not be proved? That’s like suing monkeys for evolution.”

“I'm going to sue the environmental whackos who protested the building of power plants over the last 1/4 century for global warming.”

“Bacause civil actions are held to a lower standard of evidence - often the term balance of probabilities is used.

It's about time the flat-Earth wackos were made to explain themselves.
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“In spite of all those who feel they are not responsible for the consequences of their actions in this world

the assertion that large animals which had existed for millions of years thru many climate shifts in large numbers whose disappearance closely coincided with the arrival of humans to North America

must have died due to climate change is an argument only those with their head in the sand could believe.

But wait, the mammoths and wild horses lived from Mexico to Alaska, they had adapted to extremes in climate. Even after the warming from the ice-age, Mexico was not like Alaska and Alaska was not like Mexico.

Grasp at straws, see where it gets you.

BTW, all the other articles in that link tend to support the current BS of the non-green oriented rulers of the world.”

“And I don't think any scientist has ever said that there haven't been changes in the earth's climate anyway.

Scientists are using past changes in climate to create today's models.”

“Right, Y2, there have been radical climate changes in the past

but I would bet few occurred as suddenly for as a odd a reason as the one currently underway.”

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spin spin spin spin spin

nips nips nips nips nips

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“I love it when the conversation turns to "you must have your head in the sand". Funny how anybody who doesn't support the conspiracy theories are noncredible automatically. Must be tough for those guys to get peer reviews when they're automatically discredited simply for their particular conclusion which doesn't support the mainstream facade used all too often to increase newspaper sales and scientific grants.”

“oh sarge you #&%!$ing bloated sac, go dry up and blo w ayway. go work on yur web site. i lveo you man. really, my hero.”

“science comes out with evidence that the global warming theorists don't like and the name calling and personal attacks come out
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“What evidence was stated in that link about mammoths and horses disappearing from North America?

There was also several other large land animals that disappeared from North America in the last 50,000 years including the saber toothed tiger, the great slope faced bear, a very large wolf, a type of camel, a type of rhino as well as the mammoth and horse, although I have heard that Navajo legends claim a very few horses were still around when the Spanish arrived with great numbers of horses which propagated in the wild thruout North America.

There is much debate when and from where people got to North America, some say as long ago as 40,000 years, some say as recently as 12,000 years, some say only from Asia, some say also groups from Europe, Africa and possibly the South Seas got here at various times.

The most recent advance of the ice sheets was one of the most dramatic ever, but the rather sudden disappearance of all these large animals is a mystery at least to me if not due to hunting by the newly arrived humans.
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“What evidence was stated in that link about mammoths and horses disappearing from North America?

I'm pretty sure (because I've looked then and now), lonesurveyor, that if we go back to links that are provided that you support, we'd find that conclusions are expressed in the news articles, but the scientific proof used to reach those conclusions are not given. Are you going to require more of me than you require of those you support? I'm guessing "yes".
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“Well I owe you an apology for that post. Sorry. What an night!”

“Did anyone notice that Mr. Putin yesterday proposed incentives for couples to have more children in Russia?

Seems it would be more effective to buy and bring in boat loads of immigrants from crowded places which is most anywhere else in the world.
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“WAIT...who the heck was in charge of the global warming that whacked the Mammoths? SARGE???? you know better than to argue with GLOBAL WARMING DISASTER FREAKS. Hey Global Warming is like the term "AIDS, HOMELESSNESS" It sparks emotion and gets that much needed FREE MONEY from the government. I got a neat idea, PROVE THE THEORY....if you can't or it gets disproven just pay back the money with interest.”

“lonesurveyor, changing the subject? I don't blame you. ;)”

“FREE MONEY for Iraq is exempt of your rant?”

“The earth cycles through warming and cooling periods naturally. There is nothing we can do with current technology to change those natural cycles. Current theory does state that these cycles contribute to the rise and extintion of various species based on their ability to react to the changes. The fact that these natural cycles exist does not however justify mankind causing a warming cycle. I am certainly not one to cast the first stone. I work for a large chemical company and my personal energy consumption is probably above average. Energy is still really cheap folks. Eventually, the price of energy will be what reverses our contribution to global warming. We are getting closer and closer to peak oil production each day. It is going to be a self limiting problem. What degree will be the effects we have already caused? Only time will tell.”

“True Cajun, but I'd also say that new procuction due next year could lower the price of oil for the next few years, again delaying any serious effort to tackle the problem. We'll all probably live quite happily on $2 gas until it bumps up to $3 again. It's interesting that $3 seems to be this huge barrier.”

“Look what man has done with water and extrapolate that to his other alterations.”