Who believes in Global Warming?

“I thought that the additional cost imposition on big business to save the planet was acceptable? Not if it's for nukes, just other things .... hmmmm.

Sounds a bit hypocritical.”

“If you're a global warming alarmist, you shouldn't read this. It will destroy your purpose in life.

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2006/26may_ozone.htm?list832167

Good News and a Puzzle

Earth's ozone layer appears to be on the road to recovery.

The good news: In the upper stratosphere (above roughly 18 km), ozone recovery can be explained almost entirely by CFC reductions. "Up there, the Montreal Protocol seems to be working," says co-author Mike Newchurch of the Global Hydrology and Climate Center in Huntsville, Alabama.

Right: The ozone layer is located about 15+ km above Earth's surface. [More]

The puzzle: In the lower stratosphere (between 10 and 18 km) ozone has recovered even better than changes in CFCs alone would predict. Something else must be affecting the trend at these lower altitudes.

The "something else" could be atmospheric wind patterns. "Winds carry ozone from the equator where it is made to higher latitudes where it is destroyed. Changing wind patterns affect the balance of ozone and could be boosting the recovery below 18 km," says Newchurch. This explanation seems to offer the best fit to the computer model of Yang et al. The jury is still out, however; other sources of natural or manmade variability may yet prove to be the cause of the lower-stratosphere's bonus ozone.

Whatever the explanation, if the trend continues, the global ozone layer should be restored to 1980 levels sometime between 2030 and 2070. By then even the Antarctic ozone hole might close--for good.

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That's gotta hurt.”

“i mowed my yard today at the hottest part of the day with my 2-cycle mower. I mix the gas nice rich to get that pretty blue billow of smoke.

How ya like me now?”

“That's cool BedNDolted”

“Just washed the suvs. I got one of those power sprayers but I like the old bucket method. Ya know, where ya leave the hose running the whole time you hand wash it so the gutter makes a cool river of ice cold water all the way down the block. I always make a little damn so I can put a couple beers in the gutter river so it keeps ‘em cold.”

“LOL!

It all evaporates back into the atmosphere anyways DnB, so it's cool!”

“TV news the other evening said that motorized lawnmowers in California produce exhaust fumes equivalent to 800,000 dirty cars running without catalytic converters and other emission control measures.

The whole grass lawn thing thruout the US is a sort of mania gobbling up billions of person hours per year plus a vast amount of fuel and resources.”

“The ice cap on the southern part of Mars has been shrinking for 6 years.

Damn Martians and their lawn mowers!”

“I hate lawns. Seriously people, get some creativity! the lawn after lawn after lawn after lawn syndrome is soooooo boring. Why not some fruti trees, a veggi garden, flowers?

SC<~~~~speaker for the anti lawn commision and activly digging up lawn at the new house.”

“People like to play badmitton and frisbee.

Maybe when we're 95 years old we'll feel like sitting on a rocking chair and looking at flowers.”

“gee sarge....I gues I should see a lot of people out playing on thier lawns then, since there are so many lawns.....


odd....I dont think Ive ever seen people playing frisbee on thier little front lawns....

ah, but at the park, or the beech, ive seen plenty :)”

“People w/ garden lawns are the same kind of people that collect too many animals. Often you'll see them in the news with feces all over the floor and trash piled up in the kitchen. Especially when they get older. Younger ones just smell funny, like a pet store.”

“Do you really need more proof? Case closed.

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“darn, I thought this was pretty funny. Too bad I wasted it in this thread”

“http://www.news4jax.com/health/9291256/detail.html

Oh, fun.”

“Commentary from Robert Redford posted on cnn.com today:

http://robots.cnn.com/2006/US/05/30/redford.oil/index.html


And a downside to global warming: itchier poison ivy:

http://robots.cnn.com/2006/HEALTH/05/30/poison.ivy.ap/index.html”

“Sorting out cause and effect is difficult, but a group of NASA and university researchers may have made some headway. Their new study, entitled "Attribution of recovery in lower-stratospheric ozone," was just accepted for publication in the Journal of Geophysical Research. It concludes that about half of the recent trend is due to CFC reductions.

Wonder what the Scientists who first warned about CFC's were called?

Guess the "Alarmists" of the 70's & 80's were just liberal tree-hugging nut-jobs.”

“The "Alarmists" of the 70's and 80's said that we were going to get colder before we got warmer.”

“http://www.nypost.com/movies/66485.htm

His implication that he is our only hope - every ticket bought for this movie amounts to a soft-money contribution to his 2008 campaign - is ridiculous. He and his friends were in charge for eight years. His charts say global warming got worse in that time. The environment doesn't seem to care whether the president is a Texas oilman or the Man from Hope.”

“Al Gore (or at least his father whose wealth Al inherited) is an oilman also which helps provide his well-rounded perspective, although I do not think he is our only hope, I actually think there is no hope to avoid great ribulations from environmental degradation

and I saw a show similar to the Al Gore movie on LINKTV, so no need to go to the theatre.
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“Ya think that's why the environment got so messed up during his terms?”

“http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/01/AR2006060101884.html

The environmental activist group Greenpeace wanted to be prepared to counter President Bush's visit last week to Pennsylvania to promote his nuclear energy policy.

"In the twenty years since the Chernobyl tragedy, the world's worst nuclear accident, there have been nearly [FILL IN ALARMIST AND ARMAGEDDONIST FACTOID HERE]," the sheet said.”

“Edit - that word up there should be 'tribulations'.”

“http://todayspictures.slate.com/inmotion/essay%5Fchernobyl/?GT1=8019

You should watch this sarge - all the way through now - it is disturbing, so people should be careful watching it.

I'm in favor of new nukes sarge - but I don't think you should dismiss the genuine fears of others so lightly. There are riks and consequences to a nuclear power future.”

“I had seen that Y2 a while back. There is nothing in it to connect the accident to what you see there.”

“Sarge is right ,no damage to the environment happened in the two Reagan and the two Bush (#41 +)terms. Only those eight years of Gore caused all the damage that usually he denies having happened at all.”

“troll ^”

“http://www.ncpa.org/ba/ba230.html

Myth #1: Scientists Agree the Earth Is Warming. While ground-level temperature measurements suggest the earth has warmed between 0.3 and 0.6 degrees Celsius since 1850, global satellite data, the most reliable of climate measurements, show no evidence of warming during the past 18 years.

Myth #2: Humans Are Causing Global Warming. Scientists do not agree that humans discernibly influence global climate because the evidence supporting that theory is weak. The scientific experts most directly concerned with climate conditions reject the theory by a wide margin.

Myth #3: The Government Must Act Now to Halt Global Warming. The belief underlying this myth is that the consequences of near-term inaction could be catastrophic and, thus, prudence supports immediate government action.

Myth #4: Human-Caused Global Warming Will Cause Cataclysmic Environmental Problems. Proponents of the theory of human-caused global warming argue that it is causing and will continue to cause all manner of environmental catastrophes, including higher ocean levels and increased hurricane activity. Reputable scientists, including those working on the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), the United Nations organization created to study the causes and effects of global climate warming, reject these beliefs.

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“[W]e have to [sic] offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little mention of any doubts we may have. Each of us has to [sic] decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest.” - Stephen Schneider (quoted in Our Fragile Earth, Jonathan Schell)”

“Did you know that coastal stations in Greenland are experiencing a cooling trend, and average summer air temperatures at the summit of the Greenland Ice Sheet have decreased at the rate of 4º F (2.2º C) per decade since measurements began in 1987?

http://www.heartland.org/Article.cfm?artId=18971”

“Statement as of 8:55 am EDT on June 7, 2006

record event report
National Weather Service Tallahassee FL
855 am EDT Jun 7 2006

... Record low temperature shattered at Tallahassee Florida!...

AR 6:51 am EDT this morning... the temperature at the Tallahassee
Regional Airport dropped to 54 degrees. This obliterates the old
record low of 57 degrees set in 1991.”

“In related news the panhandle region experienced an unprecedented shortage of long pants and closed-toe shoes.”

“Sarge, quick, go to the Yahoo homepage

Al Gore is taking questions about his new movie.”

“Honestly, I don't know what to believe about Global Warming. One side says the scientific community is in argument over its validity, and the other side says that there is absolutely no doubt that it's real.

What reason would one side (Presumably liberals) have to trout up such a claim?”

“Thanks lonesurveyor - Done.

I asked him about his use of fossil fuels to promote his movie and inquired if he uses a glider airplane for personal trips.
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“The climate and the planet always has been dynamic and always will be. We probably can effect this change to some degree. Here is a video on climate change at the artic, sinking land in New Orleans and E85 at Walmart.

http://www.weather.com/multimedia/player.html?clip=3552&collection=forearth&from=wxcenter_video”

“Australian Government report: nuclear energy twice that of coal. From Energy Minister Theophanous...

"If you're going to pay double the price why not put in wind farms?" he said.

"Why not use renewable energy, which is even cheaper then nuclear energy?

"It's a no brainer - go down the path of a nuclear industry which costs twice as much in production of power and also have the long-term problem of what to do with the waste."


http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200606/s1655493.htm”

“Who wants a windmill in their back yard? I'll take a nuclear plant any day.”

“"What reason would one side (Presumably liberals) have to trout up such a claim?"



MONEY”

“Who wants a nuke in their back yard? I'll take a windmill any day.”

“Right again ,I think both would be stupid.”

“I think we should capture all teh hot air from this thread and power the country for a year”

“Who here is utilizing nuclear power to communicate on trailtalk? Raise your hand!

*raising my hand*”

“*raising hand*”

“Come on boys ... I want to see some more hands ... let's be honest ...”

“I have to shamefully admit that I'm using coal.”

“Hydroelectric here.”

“Since the electric grids of North America are largely interconnected

most everyone who is on the grid is being supplied by a combination of hydro, coal, nuclear, sun, wind, gas fired and diesel fired generators.”

“True, but considering there are at least 8 hydro dams less than 20 miles of where I live, I'd say almost all of my electricity comes from them.”

“I have the countries biggest solar farm 15 miles north and a nat.gas plant 6 miles south.”

“Lumberzac, you're not on the grid?

If you are, you're contributing to global warming needlessly. Please stop at once.”