Who believes in Global Warming?

“I guess with Shrub's approval ratings barely in the 30's you have to hang your hat on something else, eh?

LOLOLOL”

“Tilt. Who are you talking to? If me, I've been talking about global warming for quite some time. I don't base my decisions on approval ratings. Do you? Apparently you're thinking about them quite a bit.”

“Heavens to megatroid hamburger evvvannnn! Sarge is right, Lumberwhac you're not supporting the corp.system. Multi bads to you.
I'm buying goose down futures for the next ice age.Then I'm going to start a rating farm. How much does a bushel of ratings go for in DC rite now?”

“I don't base my decisions on approval ratings - wise words from the man with no friends.”

“y2 - What makes you think I have no friends? I have plenty of friends, and good ones at that. God has blessed me with some extremely close friends and I'm very thankful of that. I'm going to NY this weekend with 6 close friends for fun. Next weekend, I'm going camping with some others. I had to blow off about 10 other friends to make that trip. This week, I'm watching the dog of my best friend and his family, who is in none of the above groups. They're away to Disney World. How sweet, right?

Another of my 3 closest friends isn't mentioned above. We were going to go camping next weekend, but he had to back out for other commitments. He and his wife were going to also skip out on another camping trip which is a goodbye party for somebody they've known for over 10 years, just to be with us.

Last weekend a (another) female friend called me because she thought she was dying and needed somebody to talk to. She was just having palpitations from some meds she took. Hospital checked her out as ok, thanks for asking. She has very close female friends, and is in a loving marriage, but her husband was away on business. I felt very honored that she trusted me enough to call me in her time of need.

I can't explain why I have such close friends and am blessed with so many. The ironic thing is, as much as I love my friends, I also enjoy being alone. I think I'd be a great candidate for a GA-ME. Nevertheless, God has really looked out for me lately and I thank Him for it.

Almost forgot, my best friend (not included in the 3 mentioned above), is my wife. She is incredible and I trust her more than anyone I've ever trusted. We are soul mates, she's one I don't deserve, but am thankful for nonetheless.

So, your comment about having "no friends" strikes me as kind of odd. Makes me thank you have very little grasp of reality and I'd suggest you rethink your perception of it.

PS - What does your comment have to do with Global Warming again? Oh that's right, you are just dodging the fact that you rely on polls to substantiate your beliefs.
last edited: 6/09/06 4:02:05 AM”

“"blow off" means "ignore"

I know what you were thinking you silly boy.”

“Interesting article on New Scientist over the weekend...

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn9307-human-health-may-be-the-cost-of-a-nuclear-future.html

"IN THE mountain village of Kara Agach in Kyrgyzstan people are unwittingly eating radioactive waste. Radium left behind by more than two decades of uranium mining during the Soviet era has contaminated their chickens, milk, potatoes and pears.

A new study by Belgian and Kyrgyz scientists has shown that villagers are receiving radiation doses up to 40 times the internationally recommended safety limit, mostly from the food they grow. If the uranium waste dumps were dislodged by earthquakes or landslides, thousands more could be in danger...

...Digging uranium out of the ground is an even messier business than mining other ores. After the uranium is extracted from the ore, usually by acid or alkali digestion, the remaining liquid contains radioisotopes that occur naturally alongside uranium, predominantly radium-226. This has a half-life of 1600 years and decays into radon gas, a known cause of lung cancer. The toxic sludge, known as tailings, remains radioactive for thousands of years...

...Western nations, too, have reminders of past bad practice. The US government has to shift more than 10 million tonnes of uranium tailings from the banks of the Colorado river in Utah to a site 48 kilometres away in order to prevent the contamination of water supplies in southern California. Some 200 million tonnes of tailings at Elliot Lake in Canada pose persistent storage problems...

...Even as it tries to address past blunders, the nuclear industry says it has cleaned up its act for future mines. The environmental impacts of new mines are "vastly less" than in the past, says Ian Hore-Lacy from the World Nuclear Association in London. "Any mine started up in the west in the past 20 years would be properly managed for rehabilitation. I don't see standards slipping in the future." Measures include keeping tailings underwater during mining and subsequently burying them to prevent the emission of radon gas. But Hore-Lacy does not have "great confidence" that high standards will be maintained in all countries. "Some countries have great regulations, but if they are not enforced, they are meaningless"...

..."Maybe we should solve the problems of the past before we create new ones."”

“But BUT BUT...I thought the SOVIET WORKER's PARADISE HAD A CLAUSE IN THE CONSTITUTION WHERE THEY RESPECTED NATURE....HOW oh HOW could the great SOCIALIST NATION...have damaged anything...I thought GOVERNMENT WAS GREAT, SOCIALISIM WAS THE EPITOME OF GOVERNMENT??????”

“I quoted a section about Western nations, too. It wasn't just the Soviets that screwed up the local ecology in the hunt for the great U-235”

“XL,you are very confused if you think the Soviet Union was ever anything other than a totalitarian dictatorship.

The USSR was not ever a socialist country, some of the ones in Western Europe and even the USA are much better examples of near-socialism.”

“Yes Surveyor, but they also had black markets not to different from the present CalEfornia's biggest agro crop being marijuana.
last edited: 6/12/06 10:05:48 AM”

“"Without baby boomers, there is no global warming. Not because boomers are uniquely gaseous, but because they are uniquely egotistical. The notion that, as Al Gore put it on my radio station last week, humans are 'baking the planet to death' can only be swallowed whole by those whose appetite for self-importance has reached global proportions. For boomers like Al Gore, nothing ever happened in the world until it happened to them. The first president ever assassinated was JFK; no war had ever been protested or opposed before Vietnam; government corruption was invented by Nixon and Bill Clinton proved the boomers could all still get laid." —Michael Graham”

“Lone you are CORRECT. But have you ever talked to one of the OLD STYLE Communist/ Socialist supporters? These clowns tell how second rate we are compared to the Soviet Union....Then I remember my time in East Berlin, SHOCKING.

That is why I am slowly becoming more Libertarian. As for Drugs...Heck legalize it all when jim bob gets strung out, give him three free tries to get straight. When Try #4 hits...(to quote the minister from Blazing Saddles,"Boy....you're on your own."”

“Don't get me wrong.

I do not approve of endorse many of the socialistic systems in the US.

The one that bothers me most is how the pharmaceutical industry and doctors have conspired to fleece the public, the insurance industry and the public treasuries.

Its such now, that if you are independently employed without insurance, you had better stay healthy.

This whole crooked system is going to break.

I mean, today, I just returned from the pharmacy with 2 prescriptions for my wife for what people used to call, 'summertime flu'. Over $500! She's got a good job with insurance and it was paid for but still who actually paid for it or is it all a charade?

People used to survive 'summertime flu' without any medicine, merely discomfort for a few days.

Climate change discussion is hereby relieved from this HiJack.”

“"That is why I am slowly becoming more Libertarian. As for Drugs...Heck legalize it all when jim bob gets strung out, give him three free tries to get straight. When Try #4 hits...(to quote the minister from Blazing Saddles,"Boy....you're on your own."”"

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I can't help but laugh at your logic.
last edited: 6/12/06 6:31:49 PM”

“Why does
jim Bob have to get staight? Functional drug addicts live all over Europe.A good exist that you've had medical care form an addict doctor and a lawyer.”

“I can't help but laugh at your logic. - Big Star to XL400236

Incredible insight. Are you a swami?”

“Sale....lets remember one of the famous DRUG addicts from Europe...he was a failed doctor, cocaine and Opium addict who had Neurotic Jewish Housewives for Subjects...made a whole line of Snake Oil Salesmanship called PISSYCHOLOGY off it. (Freud if you don't know)”

“Today on worldchanging.com:

http://www.worldchanging.com/archives/004563.html

"We've covered the argument that nuclear is not a climate-friendly energy source before, but here's new evidence -- a paper from the Irish sustainability thinktank Feasta, titled Why Nuclear Power Cannot Be a Major Energy Source:

'The advantage of nuclear power in producing lower carbon emissions holds true only as long as supplies of rich uranium last. When the leaner ores are used - that is, ores consisting of less than 0.01 percent (for soft rocks such as sandstone) and 0.02 percent (for hard rocks such as granite), so much energy is required by the milling process that the total quantity of fossil fuels needed for nuclear fission is greater than would be needed if those fuels were used directly to generate electricity. In other words, when it is forced to use ore of around this quality or worse, nuclear power begins to slip into a negative energy balance: more energy goes in than comes out, and more carbon dioxide is produced by nuclear power than by the fossil-fuel alternatives.'

Add to these concerns the carbon costs of building, maintaining and securing reactors, and shipping, processing and storing (for thousands of years) the waste created, and the carbon benefits of nuclear energy completely disappear, and, indeed nukes start to look not only dangerous but downright polluting. Or so, at least, the argument goes, and it does seem like the various folks making it are pretty credible."”

“I remember Swigert,the Bakers and many more of the god squads problems and their drug is still legal.You should get some smaller brushes to stroke your keyboard.
I have an inlaw (sorry no names)who is a policy expert at a famous Cal U.that ,when at Rand corp., was the big part of the gay-military thing back a few years ago .Since, he has has written a book on the drug policy situation. He is also working on Tort reform. Over a beer, He talks directly about the limitations on publishing his conclusions are imprisoned by and talks of the brain pool found in these morally handicapped groups.
I know you have the ability to identify this person so i'll say no more and hope you don't. He like Sigmund and all great men has that heel that limps him into history, but the bigger picture is not to be ignored.
When the 'rubber and road' meet one must take a different look at really what is there and not float down stream in its' bias pools till you're carried to the sharks of the deep blue sea.”

“I bet this has been posted before (I always seem late to the party, ha!) but when I saw this the other day, it cracked me up!

”

“Does it bark like a dog before an earth quake?”

“It's all the yuppy neo-cons torching their suvs!

”

“When the numbers of human exceeds that of trees, does mother nature fall to her knees? Do something for me. The next time you drive a long distance park your car in the garage and shut the garage doors. Get a chair and a beer , then lean the chair back against the radiator grill and enjoy the sounds and sensations of friction and fosil revenge.”

“How many miles of driving does that car fire equal. If we burned all of our cars in place on the highway we would get OPEC pissed off and that we need?-correction-don't need? Again I need help . Someone ask sarge to post that opiate doctors number.”

“http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060613/en_nm/environment_gore_dc

Gore to train 1,000 to spread word about climate

”

“So, are you saying you are going to sign up, Sarge?”

“"Gore's circumstantial arguments are so weak that they are pathetic. It is simply incredible that they, and his film, are commanding public attention."

"There is no meaningful correlation between CO2 levels and Earth's temperature over this [geologic] time frame. In fact, when CO2 levels were over ten times higher than they are now, about 450 million years ago, the planet was in the depths of the absolute coldest period in the last half billion years." Patterson asked the committee, "On the basis of this evidence, how could anyone still believe that the recent relatively small increase in CO2 levels would be the major cause of the past century's modest warming?"

"The breaking glacier wall is a normally occurring phenomenon which is due to the normal advance of a glacier," says Winterhalter. "In Antarctica the temperature is low enough to prohibit melting of the ice front, so if the ice is grounded, it has to break off in beautiful ice cascades. If the water is deep enough icebergs will form."

Gore tells us in the film, "Starting in 1970, there was a precipitous drop-off in the amount and extent and thickness of the Arctic ice cap." This is misleading, according to Ball: "The survey that Gore cites was a single transect across one part of the Arctic basin in the month of October during the 1960s when we were in the middle of the cooling period. The 1990 runs were done in the warmer month of September, using a wholly different technology."

Lots more here folks ...

http://www.canadafreepress.com/2006/harris061206.htm”

“bump”

“Well, The Canadian Free Press on the page Sarge linked has an ad for a product which they claim will allow its imbiber to

"Refuse to Grow Old and Live Forever!.

Do you believe in that fish-oil Sarge?”

“lonesurveyor - Do you have anything to say about the article itself, or just the paper it was printed on?”

“I've taken fish oil for 6 months and only grew .32mm, must be made of smaller fish.”

“an interesting article in the online news yesterday about another concern for global warming. It has to do with the melting permafrost, especially over northeastern Siberia. The article states that some scientists believe that melting permafrost will unleash billions of tons of carbon into the atmosphere over the near future and further accelerate global warming. The scientists say that the melting permafrost is exposing carbon rich ancient roots and animal bones to the air and that this vast carbon reservoir in northeastern Siberia has more then 75 times the amount of carbon that is released into the atmosphere each year by burning fossil fuels. If this is going on in Siberia, I would think this could be a problem in northern Canada and Alaska as well. What do you think?”

“No, this event, the unleashing of massive additional CO2, could not be blamed on the current administration

but seems to have been in the cards from the formation of the world.

Once humans push the world to the limit by sudden, overt overconsumption by many times to many people as witnessed during the last several decades

this, the additional release of maybe 75 times as much CO2 will be our reward.
last edited: 6/16/06 5:57:23 PM”

“Study: Earth hottest in 400 years
Panel says humans responsible for much of the warming

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Earth is the hottest it has been in at least 400 years, probably even longer.

The National Academy of Sciences, reaching that conclusion in a broad review of scientific work requested by Congress, reported Thursday that the "recent warmth is unprecedented for at least the last 400 years and potentially the last several millennia."

A panel of top climate scientists told lawmakers that the Earth is running a fever and that "human activities are responsible for much of the recent warming." Their 155-page report said average global surface temperatures in the Northern Hemisphere rose about 1 degree during the 20th century.

The report was requested in November by the chairman of the House Science Committee, Rep. Sherwood Boehlert, R-New York, to address naysayers who question whether global warming is a major threat.

Last year, when the House Energy and Commerce Committee chairman, Rep. Joe Barton, R-Texas, launched an investigation of three climate scientists, Boehlert said Barton should try to learn from scientists, not intimidate them.

The Bush administration also has maintained that the threat is not severe enough to warrant new pollution controls that the White House says would have cost 5 million Americans their jobs.

Climate scientists Michael Mann, Raymond Bradley and Malcolm Hughes had concluded the Northern Hemisphere was the warmest it has been in 2,000 years. Their research was known as the "hockey-stick" graphic because it compared the sharp curve of the hockey blade to the recent uptick in temperatures and the stick's long shaft to centuries of previous climate stability.

The National Academy scientists concluded that the Mann-Bradley-Hughes research from the late 1990s was "likely" to be true, said John "Mike" Wallace, an atmospheric sciences professor at the University of Washington and a panel member. The conclusions from the '90s research "are very close to being right" and are supported by even more recent data, Wallace said.

The panel looked at how other scientists reconstructed the Earth's temperatures going back thousands of years, before there was data from modern scientific instruments.

For all but the most recent 150 years, the academy scientists relied on "proxy" evidence from tree rings, corals, glaciers and ice cores, cave deposits, ocean and lake sediments, boreholes and other sources. They also examined indirect records such as paintings of glaciers in the Alps.

Combining that information gave the panel "a high level of confidence that the last few decades of the 20th century were warmer than any comparable period in the last 400 years," the academy said.

Overall, the panel agreed that the warming in the last few decades of the 20th century was unprecedented over the last 1,000 years, though relatively warm conditions persisted around the year 1000, followed by a "Little Ice Age" from about 1500 to 1850.

The scientists said they had less confidence in the evidence of temperatures before 1600. But they considered it reliable enough to conclude there were sharp spikes in carbon dioxide and methane, the two major "greenhouse" gases blamed for trapping heat in the atmosphere, beginning in the 20th century, after remaining fairly level for 12,000 years.

Between 1 A.D. and 1850, volcanic eruptions and solar fluctuations were the main causes of changes in greenhouse gas levels. But those temperature changes "were much less pronounced than the warming due to greenhouse gas" levels by pollution since the mid-19th century, it said.

The National Academy of Sciences is a private organization chartered by Congress to advise the government of scientific matters.

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“Responses to the ABC story line...are pretty telling. http://www.opinionjournal.com/best/?id=110008546


Of particular quote:Jeff Beliveau:

Tharg and me used to hunt mighty mammoth but he scared to cross ice bridge. It now too thin to take weight of even saber cat. Only mouse or rabbit can cross.

Many of my people have left the caves in search of food.

Sister's daughter's husband says it because of He-Who-Tamed-Fire. He say smoke from fire anger gods and they make it hot. Medicine Man say he full of mastodon droppings.

Medicine Man say Sun God told him Sun God get belly ache every 200 lifes of man. Belly ache make Sun God hotter, like when Og ate red berries birds don't touch.

Sun God say it good thing. He say now we can go south past ice to land he call "Iowa."

He mumble "junk science" and "media hype" and "poorly educated reporters." We no understand these powerful magic words. We afraid to say words now that Moon God warn us. She say magic words make research grants dry up. We no understand.

Must go, little Ky-Rock need help flaking obsidian.

Credit to James Taranto of Opinion Journal for this screamer.”

“....what exactly qualifies one to be a "climate scientist"?”

“GOVERNMENT GRANTS...Non, you don't have to be accurate just able to get the FREE MONEY to study this or that.”

“So you defend your position by using cave-man quotes, which happen to be the sarcastic opinion of a non-scientist, and you wonder why people call you a moron?”

“LOL....HOW do you know he is not a scientist...I was taught science was a systematic "testable" process of solving a hypothesis....from what I have seen most of the "Envior Science" is more or less wild guess and made up to start with. And yes there are people that call me much worse....that means?”

“anyone going to see the movie
"An Inconvenient Truth"

I may go this evening just to see it. Not sure if Global warming is true or if the earth is just going through a cycle. It ought to be interesting if one can watch it with an open mind”

“I saw the 2 hour presentation by Al Gore of the subject on LINKTV a couple months ago and I imagine the 'Inconvenient Truth' movie was pretty well covered in that tv show.

Besides as as an avid Earth Scientist and observer of the natural world for the last 50-odd years, I can readily see what has happened and have a pretty good idea about what is about to happen.

Al is correct in his conclusions but maybe a little naive in thinking that anyone cares whether a great die-off in humans in the world is about to occur or not.
last edited: 6/23/06 5:46:18 PM”

“Danny Elfman will give a real definition of the science being used on each side of this,' Who ate the bugathon?'. Besides, the smartest man I've ever known was Al Gore. He invented the internet so I could read this crap?................................................................i think
last edited: 6/23/06 6:19:58 PM”

“I do not think Al Gore ever claimed to have invented the internet (others have slandered him with such a claim)

he merely was a minor player in facilitating the acess to the internet of the worldwide community for it was actually invented by the US military long before Al Gore was the VPOTUS.
last edited: 6/23/06 7:36:26 PM”

“Pathman is one of the few folks here on TT I really admire, his posts aren't inflammatory or right / left, they are just "here's the facts, folks" which I think is pretty cool!

Having said that... I have always looked at the title of this thread & thought to myself that there could have been a much better title. My thoughts...

"Who "believes" in global warming is kinda like asking "who believes" in the tooth fairy! Global warming is an incontrovertible fact, period.

So, now let's address what everyone thinks is the cause of global warming... is it a natural process that would have occured regardless of human activity, or, is it that human activity, along with our generation of greenhouse gasses, etc, which has caused and/or acellerated global warming?

Maybe this has been covered... I haven't read the entire thread.”

“Wanderer has written an insightful comment,

'Global warming as a result of human activity' is an easily refuted and deniable topic which the so-called pro-business conservatives have invented as an issue to belittle environmentalism.

A better title would be 'Deteriorating Ecosphere Change (soil, water, air, oceans, biodiversity) due to human activity, Do You Believe In?'
last edited: 6/23/06 8:11:18 PM”

“From wikipedia:

Mass Human Extinction

Writing in the British newspaper The Independent in January 2006, Lovelock argues that, as a result of global warming, "billions of us will die and the few breeding pairs of people that survive will be in the Arctic where the climate remains tolerable" by the end of the Twenty First century [2]. He claims that by the end of the century, the average temperature in temperate regions will increase by as much as 8°C and by up to 5°C in the tropics, leaving much of the world's land uninhabitable and unsuitable for farming. He suggests that "we have to keep in mind the awesome pace of change and realise how little time is left to act, and then each community and nation must find the best use of the resources they have to sustain civilisation for as long as they can."”

“How exactly do you have a "mass" extinction of one particular species?

Extinction isn't a question of degree. A species is either extinct or it isn't.

The only reasons someone would use the term "Mass Human Extinction" are A) they don't know what the hell they're talking about, or B) they're engaged in fearmongering.
last edited: 7/01/06 12:16:32 PM”

“Thats true, if there were still a few survivors, it would be better termed a 'mass die-off'.

Wikipedia might should check definitions.
last edited: 7/01/06 12:28:16 PM”