Who believes in Global Warming?

“Most coal stocks are in free fall on Maul Street right now. Massey and Peabody both down by teen%'s right now. Something is brewing with coal.”

“They (actual scientists) expect Lake Erie to shrink 15% in the next 100 years due to global warming.”

“I just saw "The Day After Tomorrow" again...fourth time...liked that movie. I think I should buy some land down south....way south.”

“Did you know that it takes about 12 KWH of electicity just to refine a gallon of gas? An electric car can go farther on the 12 KWH of electricity than the same car on a gallon of gas. Where is the sense in that?
from ;leftcoastconversions.com”

“everything i know to be true is wrong

so many misguided people on here

why did you lie to me? why?

http://www.weatherstreet.com/hurricane/2006/hurricane-atlantic-2006-below-normal-season.htm

2006 Tropical Storm Season Now Below Normal


(21 August 2006) What a difference a year makes. After the record-breaking 2005 Atlantic hurricane season, the 2006 season is now below normal.

As of yesterday (20 August) three tropical storms will have formed in the Atlantic in an "average" year, which is the same number that have formed this year so far. Because of multi-year averaging, that means that today (August 21) slightly more than three storms would have formed, making this year (statistically speaking) just below normal.

In the hurricane category, this year is decidedly below normal, with no hurricanes so far, while by this date 1.5 hurricanes have formed in the average of years 1944 though 2005.

Reason for the Season?: Cooler Sea Surface Temperatures
Part of the reason for the slow season is that tropical western Atlantic sea surface temperatures (SSTs) are running about normal, if not slightly below normal (see graphic below, which shows SST departures from normal).


In contrast, at the same time last year SSTs in the same region were running well above normal.

The cooler SSTs in the Atlantic are not an isolated anomaly. In a research paper being published next month in Geophysical Research Letters, scientists will show that between 2003 and 2005, globally averaged temperatures in the upper ocean cooled rather dramatically, effectively erasing 20% of the warming that occurred over the previous 48 years.

Global Warming?
The slow hurricane season and the cooling sea surface temperatures might be somewhat surprising to the public. Media reports over the last year have suggested that, since global warming will only get worse, and last year's hurricane activity was supposedly due to global warming, this season might well be as bad as last season. But it appears that Mother Nature might have other plans.

The Rest of the Hurricane Season
With only 3 named storms compared to 9 on this date last year, it is nearly impossible at this late date to have a season anywhere near as busy as last season, which totaled 27 by the end of the year. The most recent prediction from the National Weather Service (see first graphic, above) is for there to be 12 to 15 named storms by December -- only half of last year's total. It now looks like that prediction might be too generous.

While it is still possible for this hurricane season to end up above normal in activity and reach that forecast, each day that passes without so much as a tropical 'depression' makes that target less and less likely.”

“All that ice melting in Greenland and then flowing out along the surface of the Atlantic Ocean might have something to do with it.”

“lol”

“Regardless it is caused by Global Warming....(LOL)”

“Don't worry, September's almost here. September always makes up for lost time and storms. Heck, look at 2004.

It's better to have more low level storms than a few big ones to disperse energy anyways. Safer too.”

“Not last year....I keep noticing if the NWS says it will be a busy season we keep having slow seasons...if they predict Slow Seasons...grab Toto and head for the midwest.”

“We've had the worst snow fall ever, coincidence, maybe...”

“NWS News Corp. 19.66 +.03 -Oh, wrong subject.”

“Remember 1992

Andrew was the 'A' storm, the first one and came very late in the season for the first storm.

I think a point the meteorologists have tried to make (about the expected changes in the climate, which most say is not necassarily warming) is that they do not necassarily expect more frequent storms but rather more intense storms.”

““All that ice melting in Greenland and then flowing out along the surface of the Atlantic Ocean might have something to do with it.”



Now I know why the ice melts in my drinks: global warming. Damn us all to hell!!!!”

“Global Warming is a red herring.

We debate about temperature changes while the smokestacks and tailpipes pump out the mercury and other noxious items by the pound.

People do actually die from normal, run-of-the-mill pollution.”

“most deaths from pollution are from indoor air pollution and natural pollution, such as radon, so stay outside”

“We are so far looking at a normal hurricane season. Three tropical storms and no hurricanes yet. The fuel is certainly there with water temps in many areas and yes the Gulf of Mexico are running above normal. They are pretty near where they were during last years record season. The key difference this year is the upper atmosphere has not been conductive for tropical storm formation. The Atlantic basin has seen almost record levels of upper level low pressure systems. The upper level low pressure systems create shear which blows the tops right off the tropical systems. Tropical systems need calm upper atmosphere conditions to form. If we see a reduction in these upper level systems and a reduction in shear we will begin to see many more storms form. Almost every tropical wave comming off Africa this year has also had to deal with extremely dry dusty air being blown off the Saharan Desert out into the Atlantic even reaching Florida. This Saharan Air Layer (SAL) and Upper Level Lows (ULL's) so far have been the guard dogs of the hurricane breeding grounds. Hot water alone will not cause hurricane formation. What hot water will do is provide greater fuel to the storms that do form under favorable atmospheric conditions to grow much stronger. We are just entering the peak hurricane season. We have at least 2 more months to worry about major hurricanes. This season was built up to be just like last season by everyone. So far it has not delivered. There is a definite link in my opinion between global warming and the strength of recent hurricanes. Hurricanes are a way for nature to balance the climate. If we get in her way tough.

Here check out this link it will show you the current SST's versus historical SST's. This is from the scientists at NOAA an unbiased government agency not some political hack.

http://www.cdc.noaa.gov/map/images/sst/sst.anom.gif
last edited: 8/21/06 6:01:34 PM”

“From the very page posted by MoonGlo here is another link. Not a drop of water in the Gulf less that 85 degrees. Yep no hurricane would have a chance in that cold stuff. It takes more than hot water folks that is just the fuel part. With those SST's and the proper upper atmosphere ie. low shear we could easily see a CAT 5 monster. Will we see one in coming months? Time will tell.

http://www.weatherstreet.com/hurricane/2005/sea-surface-temperature-atl.htm”

“i think that even if this scientist found out something that counters global warming he should keep it to himself because a lot of scientists and activists will be out of work if there is no global warming and will not be able to help the planet. this man is selfish

http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/view.php?StoryID=20060825-091321-7556r

"The Kyoto initiatives to save the planet from the greenhouse effect should be put off until better times," he said. "The global temperature maximum has been reached on Earth, and Earth's global temperature will decline to a climatic minimum even without the Kyoto protocol."”

“I'm going to make room in my garage for garge sale down bags and snow shovels.”

“This has to be a bummer for the left.


http://www.mosnews.com/news/2006/08/25/globalcooling.shtml

Hey its the RUSSKIES...they were so honest from the 1920's on...”

“i posted that 6 days ago xl

you righties need to try to keep up”

“Is that from an unbiased news source?”

“the only unbiased news source is mother nature”

“LOL..moon you libbies were drooling on everything the RUSSKIES told us during the Cold War. What has changed?”

“There's nothing new about that.

James Hanson stated during the recent Tom Brokaw special on 'Climate Change' that the world is currently in a natural cycle of cooling, yet warming is whats being measured.

Al Gore's recent statements say about the same thing except that the warming that is occurring inspite of the current cooling cycles could melt enough of Greenlands glaciers to upset the North Atlantic currents and bring a drastic cool down for Europe soon.

The issue is Climate Change over and beyond natural cycles (not global warming).

I do not understand how a scientific matter can be a Right vs Left debate?
last edited: 8/31/06 2:18:09 PM”

“Um lone the debate is whether WE can actually effect the natural cycles....Most people can only find anecdotal evidence. And while I actually do prefer more logical uses of the environment I notice that most of the Envior Types have one and only ONE solution and that is the UNITED STATES MUST STOP BEING NUMBER ONE. Their whole premise is that only WE are the ones damaging the enviornment. When you include us but exclude China and India (okay they can sell us pollution rights or something) you are saying WE have to bow down to third world countries ...that is shared misery.”

“Ok, whether people are affecting the world's climate or not is a scientific debate.

What to do about it is a political debate.

While the US is the largest single contributor to greenhouse gases of any country at this time (with China about to overtake the US), the eguatorial countries taken together where the rainforests are being eliminated are having an even larger impact than the US.

I do not support the Kyoto Plan either for it does not apply equally to all countries and even if the plan were evenly applied, there's no way governments could force such limits on industries and people

so I think we may soon really be witnessing climate change, and the scientific debate will be over with no winners and alot of losers.
last edited: 8/31/06 2:56:50 PM”

“Washington Post "WORLD TO END POOR AND MINORITIES HARDEST HIT"”

“Hey, where's all those hurricanes the global warming cultists warned us about? Wasn't 2006 supposed to be worse than 2005?”

““This summer's hurricane season maybe very telling.

But, even if the storms start early, are very numerous and destructive beyond imagination

many will continue to consider it a normal trend.

Besides, the damage is already of such a sufficient amount, that I think there is no human way to undo the inevitable climate instability and at some point soon, the bizarre will commence.

lonesurveyor
6:13:10 AM
3/28/06

very telling indeed ...”

“Polar Bears May Be Turning to Cannibalism

By Dan Joling
Asociated Press
posted: 12 June 2006
08:14 pm ET


ANCHORAGE, Alaska (AP)—Polar bears in the southern Beaufort Sea may be turning to cannibalism because longer seasons without ice keep them from getting to their natural food, a new study by American and Canadian scientists has found.
The study reviewed three examples of polar bears preying on each other from January to April 2004 north of Alaska and western Canada, including the first-ever reported killing of a female in a den shortly after it gave birth.

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The Effects

Seas to Rise
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Ground Collapses
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Rivers Melt Sooner in Spring
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Hurricanes Get Stronger
Lakes Disappear
The Possibilities

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Strange Solutions

Space Ring to Shade Earth
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Polar bears feed primarily on ringed seals and use sea ice for feeding, mating and giving birth.

Polar bears kill each other for population regulation, dominance, and reproductive advantage, the study said. Killing for food seems to be less common, said the study's principal author, Steven Amstrup of the U.S. Geological Survey Alaska Science Center.

"During 24 years of research on polar bears in the southern Beaufort Sea region of northern Alaska and 34 years in northwestern Canada, we have not seen other incidents of polar bears stalking, killing, and eating other polar bears,'' the scientists said.

Environmentalists contend shrinking polar ice due to global warming may lead to the disappearance of polar bears before the end of the century.

The Center for Biological Diversity of Joshua Tree, Calif., in February 2005 petitioned the federal government to list polar bears as threatened under the federal Endangered Species Act.

Cannibalism demonstrates the effect on bears, said Kassie Siegal, lead author of the petition.

"It's very important new information,'' she said. "It shows in a really graphic way how severe the problem of global warming is for polar bears.''

Deborah Williams of Alaska Conservation Solutions, a group aimed at pursuing solutions for climate change, said the study represents the "bloody fingerprints'' of global warming.

"This is not a Coca-Cola commercial,'' she said, referring to animated polar bears used in advertising for the soft drink giant. "This represents the brutal downside of global warming.''

The predation study was published in an online version of the journal Polar Biology on April 27. Amstrup said print publication will follow.

Researchers in spring 2004 found more bears in the eastern portion of the Alaska Beaufort Sea to be in poorer condition than bears in areas to the west and north.

Researchers discovered the first kill in January 2004. A male bear had pounced on a den, killed a female and dragged it 245 feet away, where it ate part of the carcass. Females are about half the size of males.

"In the face of the den's outer wall were deep impressions of where the predatory bear had pounded its forepaws to collapse the den roof, just as polar bears collapse the snow over ringed seal lairs,'' the paper said.

"From the tracks, it appeared that the predatory bear broke through the roof of the den, held the female in place while inflicting multiple bites to the head and neck. When the den collapsed, two cubs were buried, and suffocated, in the snow rubble.''

In April 2004, while following bear footprints on sea ice near Herschel Island, Yukon Territory, scientists discovered the partially eaten carcass of an adult female. Footprints indicated it had been with a cub.

The male did not follow the cub, indicating it had killed for food instead of breeding.

A few days later, Canadian researchers found the remains of a yearling that had been stalked and killed by a predatory bear, the scientists said.

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“Just hav'ta grow them in the Artic instead of tha Amazon -

Amazon rainforest 'could become a desert'

And that could speed up global warming with 'incalculable consequences', says alarming new research

The Independent (U.K.), July 23, 2006

The vast Amazon rainforest is on the brink of being turned into desert, with catastrophic consequences for the world's climate, alarming research suggests. And the process, which would be irreversible, could begin as early as next year.

Studies by the blue-chip Woods Hole Research Centre, carried out in Amazonia, have concluded that the forest cannot withstand more than two consecutive years of drought without breaking down.

Scientists say that this would spread drought into the northern hemisphere, including Britain, and could massively accelerate global warming with incalculable consequences, spinning out of control, a process that might end in the world becoming uninhabitable.

http://novaspivack.typepad.com/nova_spivacks_weblog/2006/07/amazon_desertif.html
last edited: 9/09/06 7:14:22 AM”

“believing in global warming is bad for the economy”

“Polar Bears May Be Turning to Cannibalism


Free Jeffrey Dahmer! Free Jeffrey Dahmer! Free Jeffrey Dahmer!”

“Jim Hansen of Nasa, George Bush's top climate modeller, predicts that sea level rise will be 10 times faster within a few years, as Greenland destabilises. "Building an ice sheet takes a long time," he says. "But destroying it can be explosively rapid."

http://environment.guardian.co.uk/climatechange/story/0,,1860560,00.html”

“Sorry, but all these other posters cannot possibly be wrong. So I'm burying my head in the sand with them.”

“do what you must nowslimmer, but when florida disappears, you are more then welcome to tent in my garden :)”

“Thanks, but maybe I'll stay in China. (I'm planning a vacation there soon.) They have a beautiful, large tracking ship, so maybe with my experience I can get a job. Somewhere, I have a picture of that ship.

Right now, I'm wondering if I'll be allowed to go there on vacation. Years ago, when they had the Suez problems, I could not travel anywhere near the area, in fact, in the entire Mediterranean Ocean and its' portcities. I didn't know nothing from nothing but I was considered part of "sensitive personnel" and thus restricted. (I was in the Army's Counter Intelligence Corps. It was called the CIC, which, according to the Navy meant, "Christ, I'm confused!")
last edited: 9/12/06 7:37:25 PM”

“Please don't confuse me with facts!”

“sorry, carry on in your state of denial ;)”

“yes, the earth's climate is getting warmer”

“Ok, now what?”

“That's interesting, but I have to say, at least in Denver, this summer was MUCH cooler than last summer.”

“I think the Earth is in danger of a major cool-down like the same scientists were predicting was emminent in the '70s.”

“It's not all bad news regarding global warming. Here's a list of some of the good things!

1). Keeps Al Gore busy
2). Can swim year-round
3). Florida will soon be gone”

“so will a good chunk of GA and SC!

Gemini will be living on the beach.”

“http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=politicsNews&storyid=2006-09-18T212718Z_01_N18271786_RTRUKOC_0_US-ENVIRONMENT-GORE.xml&src=rss&rpc=22


LOL!!! Did Gore think about who would actually be paying that tax??? Apparently not. What a buffoon!”