Computer techies-File Sharing?

“This is for people like Death, Violin, Matt the webmaster and other computer savey people. For the sake of keeping fellow TTers safe let us not give out the exact web address to download these programs so the people that don't even know how to open win explore don't get screwd.

I got a few questions, one, how safe is lime wire or other file share sites? Is it likely for me to download a virus or not to likely? If I am to down load a program, will it work well or will if give me trouble. Inaddition, how safe is my own computer if i'm on cable, but have a fire wall, and I have denighed all the aplications that want to act like a surver from lime wire to connect to the net?

Thanks for the info.

Once again, if you have no clue to what I am talking about, don't try to figure it out, you may be mess up your putter real bad. Thats what I am trying to find out.

PS, so fare I have photoshop 7 Illustrater 10, and quark 5 all for free , with many mp3s downloaded aswell. sofare no problems.”

“I apologize for sounding preachy, but that isn't sharing, it is stealing.”

“First of all which version of windows is it? Any 9x based system is extremely volnerable to hacking over a network. A software firewall will help, but it better be a good one. I recomend either Norton personal firewall or sygate firewall. As for Limewire, it is a Trojan breeding ground, especially in warez software and cracks. If you choose to obtain software like this make sure you have a good anti-virus and you have emergency disks made and up to date. I have Norton 2000 (downloaded) and it does a really good job of finding viruses in files like that (or so I hear). Before you actually install a warez program or crack, scan it seperately just in case the program didn't catch it on download. Other then that have fun. Just remember you have a static IP so companies can trace stuff to you and your hardware address. That's why I love our network here. The routers mask the hardware addies.”

“you and your Technicalities Fritz!
I figure if I'm not using it for a commercial purpose (like half my software is intended) then the company isn't really loosing money. Like I'd actually pay for it anyway.”

“If you spent months writing and debugging a section of code you would feel different about software piracy.

I bet you downloaded your school assignments and turned them in under your name, didn't you?”

“There are a great deal of software companies that are rumored to leak "cracked" versions of their software even before the official release date to generate sales.”

“no gordon, that is cheating. I would be gaining something from doing that. By me downloading a copy of Flash, I can make flash movies, but I am not using them for personal gain. I'm not selling them or using them for anything except for messing around.”

“I downloaded a candy bar from the 7-Eleven shelf to my coat pocket last night.

If they really didn't want me to do that, they would have put one of those security devices on it so the alarm would have sounded before I got out of the store. Since they didn't do that, I assume they actually like the fact that I took it, perhaps it helps them with their marketing somehow.

I mean, it isn't like I am reselling it or anything, it was just for personal consumption.

And besides...if i like it, I will probably return and buy more, and I will probably tell my friends how good it was and they will buy more.

So I am feeling pretty good about this whole deal. It is clearly a win-win situation.”

“Fritz - Did you like the candy? Your theft is probably on camera.

"And besides...if i like it, I will probably return and buy more, ..." Why buy, when you have a good thing going? Shades of Napster!

LOL

I have seen a dozen people arrested in a supermarket in one afternoon. The young girls really cry, when caught. I fail to understand why a person will risk receiving a record on a penny-anti theft.”

“I don't think that I will ever get arrested for stealing programs, and if so I have a good defence. "the govenment did nothing to the millions of napster users so why are you bothering me, just go after the company"

But thats not the point because it isn't going to happen any way.

Adobe knows damn well that people steall photoshop and illustrater, heck when it cost 300 - 600 chi ching, and I'm not good enough with it yet to sell my work, why should I pay that much.. If they charged like 100 I would probably buy it.

Death, I plan on getting win XP real soon, so that would help in protecting my stuff? inaddition I keep none of my work on the hard drive, it is all on Zips or CDs, so I safe if say I had to reformat my puter right now.

BTW, would it be a bad idead to download nortain antivirus from lime wire? I'm guessing I should just go buy it. I am currently running Zone Alarm Fire Wall, I like it, and I have hear all good things about it.”

“What are everyone's opinions on things like CD encryption and region encoding for DVD's?”

“yea tea, well a musician might get pissed at losing a few bucks per track stolen, but I would imagin Adobe would get more pissed over that $600 they lost on a photoshop.”

“"I don't think that I will ever get arrested for stealing programs, and if so I have a good defence. "the govenment did nothing to the millions of napster users so why are you bothering me, just go after the company"

ice tea
06:01:22 AM
03/20/02

I think you would be more effective with the "twinkie" defense.”

“dm99

I am glad not all Purdue students are as immoral and unethical as you. Theft is theft, whether done for commercial gain or personal use.”

“I'm really not that computer savvy but it is stealing no matter how you want to rationalize it. If your only deterrent is fear of getting caught and prosecuted, your moral development is lacking.”

“Purdue University's Student Code of Honor.

Part 5 — Student Conduct
Part 5: Section II — Student Code of Honor
(As passed by Purdue Student Senate, February 2, 1969)
The purpose of the Purdue University academic community is to search for the truth and to endeavor to communicate with our fellowman. Self-discipline and a sense of social obligation within each individual are necessary for the fulfillment of these goals. It is the responsibility of all Purdue students to live by this code, not out of fear of the consequences of its violation, but out of personal self-respect.
As human beings we are obliged to conduct ourselves in accordance with moral law. As members of the civil community we have to conduct ourselves as responsible citizens in accordance with the rules and regulations governing all residents of the state of Indiana and of the local community. As members of the Purdue University community, we have the responsibility to observe all University regulations. As members of the academic community, our foremost interest should be toward our education and our foremost responsibility is to maintain academic honesty. A student who assists in any form of dishonesty is equally as guilty as the student who accepts such assistance.



In order to protect your fellow students and the reputation of Purdue University, I have copied all the comments by Deathmarch99 (and your real name, easily traceable through the Purdue web site), and am forwarding them to the Academic Senate.

Please consider adding a personal ethics course to your studies.”

“Gordon, we are not saying that it is not stealing, we know it to be. But I ask you, have you ever used a casset tap to record a song of the radio or from a friends copy? Now don't lie to me and tell me NO. I know dam well that every one copyed music onto cassets.

On another note, the government knows that CDburners and tape recorders are used to make illigitment copies of stuff, so why do they let people still have them? Simple, they don't care. After all doesn't every home sterio have a recordiong divies for the tapes? YES! Even better, in school we have DVD CD burners, what the hell do you think we use them for? Our home movies? NO! we use them to copy DVDs, now if hte government really cared wouldn't they not alow DVDCDburners to get in the hands of averages joes?”

“"Telling technology companies to build devices that prevent copyright infringement...is like telling autmakers to build cars that cannot exceed the speed limit."

New York Times Piracy or Innovation? It's Hollywood vs. High Tech. 03/14/02”

“Dude you are going to have to copy and paste that article, I don't subscribe to that bias newpaper”

“The other computer in the house is seriously infested with viruses. I just got Norton Internet Securities 2002 from Ebay. Will it fix the problems the hackers have messed up?
BTW, He used LimeWire and played lots of online games without a firewall. I told him that's probably what did it.”

“Do the crime and do the time.

That's life. Deal with it.”

“That link wouldn't work liamoconnor. This one should: Piracy, or Innovation? It's Hollywood vs. High Tech

You don't have to subscribe to the NY Times Tea, just fill out a simple form. You can even lie if that makes you feel better. It's a pretty good article and goes directly to what you are talking about. Why don't you check it out - or are you afraid to let go of your biases?”

“I work with a guy who is a former bass player for The Motels, composer and has a digital studio in his garage. We talked much about the subject of music sharing from the artists and consumers POV. I think this has the potential of serving the artists and consumers well, if done properly. However, the most powerful lobbyists are the record companies, and they stand to lose the most. Many artists harbor great bitterness over how they have been manhandled by the big corps.

Downloading music is very seductive. I started downloading free music (amazon, mp3, HOB or artist websites), then music that I had ever owned (old stuff on LP's), then music I wanted to sample before I buy......

It is a slippery slope.

Some of the issues, those of recording the material, are like those of VHS/beta and cassette recorders when they first came out. If you bought it, you should be able to record for your own use. The difference is the ability to share the files, which you may have the right to use, but not disseminate, with the universe.

It will be so hard to make myself do it, but my plan is to erase what wasn't fee, that I don't own right to or plan to buy. The other half is that I should not share these files with others.

Unfortunately, it all sounds like rationalization and I don't like that.”

“I'll ask this again.

The other computer in the house is seriously infested with viruses. I just got Norton Internet Securities 2002 from Ebay. Will it fix the problems the hackers have messed up?
BTW, He used LimeWire and played lots of online games without a firewall. I told him that's probably what did it."”

“norton should catch all the viruses and probably clean most of them. You might have to download special fixes for some viruses and some of the data may be perminatly corrupted.

wow gordon, you're so righteous, you want me to give you a cookie for it.”

“Backpacker magazine is apparently not the only one ripping off this site:



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“If you're going to justify theft, T, steal something you need and can use...A SPELL CHECKER!

DM, you imply you gain nothing from the programs unless you use them for profit...WRONG! You did gain, free software! Do YOU know the costs a company incurs to develop a program? Just a simple one, say a sign out board...pretty front end to a simple database. I know of an organization that developed one paying in developer time (one programmer, six months) more than twice my annual salary. That was for internal use (not duplicated onto disk for distribution, not marketed, not shipped anywhere). Those additional items increase the cost substantially.

You said "norton should catch all the viruses and probably clean most of them". You should emphasize SHOULD. NO anti-virus/security tool is foolproof. They will not catch everything! You have to apply your brain and have a lot of luck as well!

Cassette recorders and CD burners are red herrings, T. Copyright law I believe (emphasis to show I'm not certain, so don't quote me) allows one who has purchased copyright material (music, for instance) to make a copy for personal use. This is provided you maintain possession of the original. I used to make copies of my tapes all the time when I had a cheap stereo in my car that would chew tapes up regularly. I didn't want to lose the originals. Some software licenses allow the same practice.

Software piracy is a crime, boys. It comes with hefty fines and can include jail time. Individuals have been prosecuted, not only corporations, and if you can't prove you've got license for program X, Y ad Z, there is no defense (not even your napster weasel ploy, T) that will save you from the consequences.

For you, DM. Your university could be held responsible for activities that take place on its network. You see where I'm going? If there is sufficient cause for an investigation for piracy (and i think that there is at EVERY university that opens their network up to student computers), they can be liable for assisting an illegal activity by providing the network connection. Quite honestly, they would be completely within their rights to terminate your computer account and prevent you from connecting your computer to the university network.

Finally, admission to illegal activity in a public forum is just plain dumb. IPs get logged by server admins and ISPs. Records can be subpoenad. Knock, knock...who's there? the SOFTWARE POLICE!!!”

“Generally, when someone makes a teddy bear-themed gadget, his/her intention is to overwhelm bystanders with cuteness. But whoever created this little guy, whose head has to be removed in order to access the internal USB drive, must have watched one too many Tim Burton movies.



http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/18/usb-teddy-bear-holds-data-scares-children/


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Oh man!!! I want one of these except I want the plug on the back side! That way you could have a true 'data dump'. LOL”

“I saw that on engadget, and LMFAO. That's enough to scare some adults, let alone the kiddies.”

“I figured bitpusher would be all over this thing.”

“That thing is hilarious. I want one.”

“. . . it won't fit in my pocket. I could bearly take it.”

“Potential security hole. I need to forward this to my security guy.”