The Bachelor

“even though he has been divorced he is out there looking for someone to marry again. he knows what to expect and not expect in a marriage. I am not sure that these women will be cool with his way of living.

While none of the women have been married that I know of. Some of the women on that show are a little strange. I think is it Andrea, she might have a nervous breakdown if she isn't the one chosen
Since I haven't watched it till this seaon, has any other guys been divorced or ladies been divorced.”

“Ewker, there can be many reasons. They may be beautiful, but losers in other ways. I really just think its "life". It's just not easy to find good husbands no matter how you look.”

“some of the women aren't stable at least that is what I am seeing.”

“Ewker, yes, some of the bachelors have been divorced, some of the women have too.”

“Ewker, some of the bachelors weren't stable either, IMO.”

“I don't know since this is the 1st time I have seen it. Has any of them on the previous shows gotten married to the one they selected??”

“One that I can remember. When it was the Bachelorette. They even got married on TV!

I think its hard to select a mate from a group of 25 people. That's not really much choice.”

“but it is 25 people you probably wouldn't have met”

“IMHO all of the five previous "Bachelors" were egotistical and self centered. One was previously divorced as is Byron. None of them ended up marrying the girl the picked at the end.

Two of the bachelorettes went on to become "The Bachelorette." One got married and the other seems to be still with her guy.

Not sure about Byron yet. I still don't see too many of those girls wanting to live in Nevada. Some of those girls don't look stable to me.”

“I watched this show for the first time yesterday. I can't believe this guy chose this psycho called Jane as a finalist. Jane told him off, and told him what to do on yesterday's show.

Jane said he'd better show up at the hot tub, and that she was angry he left the party with the girls, because one girl was upset, and he left the house with her to see what was wrong. She told him these things with such anger and venom. She had a total meltdown, and he chose her.

I think he was scared not to give her a rose, but it really made the ones that were not picked think how bad can I be that he chose psycho chick over them.”

“lh - I was surprised he picked her also, but I also heard he may have been keeping the two girls he let go at the encouragement of the producers. Anyway, they edit it to show all the juicy stuff.

I think he really likes some of the girls that are left. Let's hope he doesn't turn out to be hung up on himself like the previous bachelors.”

“Phil, It's just so weird to have this guy that is matched with these girls who develop such a crazed attachement to him so quickly. I know a lot is edited out, and we don't see all the time that they spend together, but I do think these girls are ALL nuts sometimes.

When you put a guy (batchelor) in a controlled enviornment, you don't get to see how he would react normally in life to different situations, and the same goes for the girls that are looking to be with him, but all the girls are in love and ready to be married. I went out with my husband for over a year to come to that conclusion, and some would say that one year is still not long enough time to make that decision.

Byron seems like a nice guy.”

“lh - I agree with you. The circumstances do not seem to lend themselves to success and 5 bachelor failures in a row seem to indicate that. The two bachelorette shows have worked out (so far) but the bachelorettes were from bachelor shows and not nationwide searches. Another bachelorette show is in the works for Jen Schefft, another bachelor reject.

It is fun to watch anyway. I would never want to be dating more than one girl at a time. I have a particular interest in this show since I used to work with Byron's father.”

“Phil, I read that you worked with Byron's father. That's what made me watch that episode. Maybe you can get the real scoop from his dad sometime on what really goes on :)”

“Byron dumped Jayne last night. They really portrayed her as a psycho! You can summarize last night's episode into two basic things: (1) Bachelorette Drama, and (2) Byron kissing babes.

I am somewhat impressed with the last four girls he kept around. He seems be fairly optimistic.

But again, I still think this a cruel and immoral way to find a mate. Just watching because of my interest in social experimentation.”

“Phil, I cheated and only watched the rose giving ceremony at the end of the show, lol. I wish I saw the whole show.

Byron was just on a daytime showed called "The View", that has 4 women that interview whoever comes on the show. I thought they were harsh with him, and all over him. Sometimes all 4 hosts talk at the same time and it's crazy with them all asking him questions at the same time. He did very well though.

He did say he picked one woman, because as you know, the show is really over with, and he is already with the one woman he picked. Last night I tried to look at the ladies faces as he gave the roses out to see who looked the most confident, and that would be the one he already chose, but I couldn't tell. I know by this time, he had picked one woman that new she was the one.

BUT, it is the nature of the show to really lead the women on, so maybe she really is not totally confident she will be the one.

Jane, as she said goodbye to Byron, called him a liar. If she has seen the show, she knows that the bachelor will lead the woman on until the end. It really isn't nice, but that is what's expected of him. I don't think the guys always feel comfortable doing that, but the girls know too that is how the show (game) is played.”

“This is where it really starts to get sticky. The girls are becoming serious and feeling connected so they really are uncomfortable when he is on a date with another girl.

I have no real idea which one of the last four has an edge, except perhaps Mary. She came in late and is still in the game.”

“I think he will dump Cyndi next week. Any other opinions?”

“I am going to try and watch the show next week to get a feel for what's going on even though it's late in the game, now is the time when everyone's true feelings show as Phil said.

I'm still going to focus on that rose ceremony at the end to see who looks more confident about getting a rose. At this point, whoever knows they are going to be picked is doing a good job of hiding it when roses are being given out.

I just hate when that guy comes out at the end and says "there is one more rose", like we don't all know that. I guess it adds more tension by dragging it out.”

“lh - Chris Harrison's "one more rose" line is now a program tradition, it seems.

Let's hope that bachelor #6 finds his true love!

Supposedly next week the bachelorettes get to decide whether to invite the bachelor to share a "special suite" with them. That is reverse of the past shows. Supposedly one of the girls doesn't invite him. Plus there is a fight with Cyndi over discussing his first wife. Good luck, Byron!”

“Phil, I saw that in the coming attractions. Also, I think one woman may tell him she will not invite him if he is accepting the offers from the other woman.

This is going to be a very telling show, because he knows who he wants, so I can only see him going with the one he will ultimately pick.”

“lh - they generally go the to fantasy suite. Kind of weird knowing that your date is doing the same thing with the other girls (or guys).”

“lh- I think you're right. i think its Mary who has a problem with him going to the fantasy suites with the other girls.”

“I saw one of the girls make a comment about if he went with any of the other girls, he can't go with her, but I'm not familiar with all their names yet to say who she was.

I'm looking forward to seeing the next episode to see what Byron does. If Mary is protesting the most or the only one to protest, then maybe she is the one he chose???”

“did anyone watch it last night. I will say I was suprised by the final two ladies he picked. I just knew he was sending Mary home.

I think I like Mary the best, not that there is another wrong with Tanya.”

“Wait, didn't he keep Mary?”

“Smiley, he kept Mary. I said I just knew he was sending her home.

I thought he felt more for the other 2 than her. I actually thought Cindy was going to be the one in picked in the end.”

“I have still not remembered anyones name since I just started watching, but of the two blondes remaining last night, I thought he would keep the one he dropped. He was so sincere with her on how they are both on the same emotional level.

This Byron is a really good liar. I don't blame him, because it's what is expected of him to be on the show and not give away who he has picked already. He did say on a tv show that he knew pretty quickly who he wanted to be with.

It must be hard to go to the family's houses and make believe you like their daughter, but everyone knows that's the game. I think that even though the ladies, their family and friend's know the what the deal is, they just can't past Byron's unsincere sincerity.
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“After last night I have come to the conclusion that guys cannot:

1. Date two or more girls at once and maintain any sense of integrity.

2. "Aaccelerate" the dating experience and depend only on dream-type dates. It totally circumvents the natural process of getting to know someone.

Actually, Cindy gave the reason that Byron didn't choose her: They were too much alike. They were probably just having great fun together and not growing on other levels. Actually shows that maybe Byron has some insight into what is good for him, not just what is fun.

I think he sees Mary and Tanya as being what he needs as well as what he wants.

I just flipped a coin (heads for Mary, tails for Tanya. It came up tails. I predict Tanya.)

Got a glmpse of the show in two weeks where they meet Byron's family. I saw his father who I used to work with. He was already balding 25 years ago. He has put on a few pounds and sports a mustache.”

“Phil, I know I haven't been watching the show from the beginning, but I can see it would not help in determining who will be picked. Byron is showing alot of intesity for all the girls, so even at the end, I'm totally stumped.

I would have chosen Cindy as the one he would end up with, so I am really out of choices, since I didn't pick one the other two that are left.

I'm surprised he chose the current blonde since she showed resistence to him on this last show, but that doesn't mean he likes her less or would not want to work on their relationship. Whoever he picks is not a guarantee for a marriage, so he can consider anyone he wants.

Next comes the big show with all the girls he let go. They showed the blonde he just let go amongst them, and she looks very angry and I think she will have something to say, and it won't be good, lol.”

“lh - That is a always a show where they try to get some sparks flying. If the guy is trying hard to connect with each girl he dates, he is bound to create jealousy, friction, and create resentment. Go figure!

They edit what we see to keep it from being too predictable.”

“They will either have to edit or bleep out what Jane has to say. I think she is still angry, lol.

I wondered how the gals could get so attached to Byron since they did not pick him personally, but if he is a good catch, then why not.”

“I wonder how you can decide in so few dates that they are the person you want to spend your life with. They are living in a fairyland with a mansion,pool, spa all the luxuries of life. They are going on dates most people never get to do.

What happens when you both hit the real world and don't have all the charm and grace around you?”

“That's the real test, I guess. Maybe they hope they find "the one" and really put it to the test later. I think you can find "the one" in those circumstances, though you may not fully recognize it.

Of course, my fairy-tale romance died after a while. But, he wasn't "the one" so I'm glad it did end. But dang, the fairy tale part sure was fun!!”

“Ewker, what you are saying reminds me of this guy that cheated on his wife and thought the new woman was great, UNTIL he moved in with her, then he went back to his wife. Yes, they are fantasy dates, and realty can suck, lol.”

“What smiley girl said. For most people you can't develop a relationship that way that fast (I will allow for exceptions). This has been an interesting social experiment IMHO. I was hooked on the show from the first episode because I identified with Alex the nerd in high school (but I think I remained a nerd).

My daughter is going through something like that now...interesting to see what will happen.”

“Right before I hurled chunkage, I saw a few minutes of that bachelor show. This dude was saying how each one had a rare, special beauty and had touched him deeply. He said that to all of them at the same time as they stood there like stockings over the fireplace hoping he was gonna grab their candy. I mean, come on, what's he gonna say to the final girl? "You're so special, a rare beauty... just like the other two women. It was a tough choice between you gals, but you won. Barely. I'm gonna miss screwing all three of you at the same time and actually getting paid for it, but since I have to choose one, it's you, baby." How sweet.”

“Buck - Something like that. How can you be sincere and honest to three or four girls at the same time and tell all of them they are special!”

“I'm thinking the blonde will win. She protested too much and he still picked her, so I think it was a front she was putting on.

Phil, I started getting hooked since I read that you knew the father.

I guess he is sincere in a way. He would sincerely want all of them if he could get away with it, lol:)”

“lh - I think the only strategy you can start with is to try to treat each date as the real thing and give them all your attention. It works at first, but when you get down to 6 girls or so the jealousy comes out.

Also, if you really favor one or two girls all the way, you are really being insincere with the others...kinda bad.

Looks like Byron got lots of good smooching in. I guess that is to be expected.”

“Phil, personally, I could never be a bachelorette and be insincere even though everyone knows it's part of the game and really should not hold it against you. I just can't be that insincere to people, especially if they liked me.

I wonder what the monetary incentive is for a Bachelor. I'm thinking it has to be more than the woman and great locations they get to go to on dates. I know that may be incentive enough, but the bachelor in question misses a weekly paycheck from not working.”

“lh - I have always assumed there is some pay, although the only thing ever publicized is the lawsuit for some anyone who blabs the results ahead of time (I heard $5 Million).

I had two dates with two different girls on the same day once (many moons ago). I think that is about all I could ever handle and didn't do it again.”

“Phil, you cad!!!! Two dates in one day, lol.

I'd like to see the "show" try and collect 5 million dollars from someone, but it sure sounds good and adds to the show's publicity.”

“lh - Sorry to destroy your image of me!

They do get a lot of mileage out of the publicity that goes with keeping things secret.

I hope Byron turns out to be a real person and not just another "ego trippin" stud.”

“Phil, good thing your wife got a hold on you and made you an honest man, lol!!!!

Bryon seems like he is caring. That is a great quality that means a lot, because it also means he may be a good listener and willing to compromise, which I think is the biggest issue in having a good marriage.”

“Well, I couldn't tell right to the end who Byron was choosing. I know the ladies know he will scam them right to the end, but he looked into that last blonde girl's eyes and was telling her how they were meant for each other, and his friends told her she was meant for him. That must have been some let down for her when she wasn't chosen. After not being chosen, she explained how honest she was with him, but I don't know why she wouldn't understand it has to do with love, not if you are just a good person. The one he picked was probably a good person too.

After the blonde got bounced, I wished I could talk to her through the tv screen and tell her she can put her breasts back in her dress now. That dress was not appropriate for any occassion.

I didn't watch the after show part where the girl that lost talked with him. After already watching 2 hours of the show, I didn't need to see anymore, or anymore of her pain. I could not lead anyone on like that.”

“Bryon is marrying this girl he picked. What a potential mistake. They don't even know each other enough away from the show dates they had.”

“My wife hated Tanya's dress also. It did see a little "over the top" (pun intended).

I saw Mary on two Bachelor shows now. She seems real enough. Let's find out if Byron is the real thing or not.

Got to see his father on the show which was what I was waiting for. Kinda cool.

It does look to me like they really hit it off even though it does not seem like enough time to really develop a relationship. However, they did have 3 months of just talking on the phone to develop their relationship before getting back together physically. That seemed to go well.

I think Byron found her attractive on all levels and I think she liked him just as well.

We'll see!”

“Phil, I'm not saying it absolutely can't work out, but a lot comes out about people and their "ways" in day to day living. It's always the little things that can drive a person crazy and some big things too.

Byron seems to enjoy drinking wine with his family and friends. Maybe she will find that he drinks every night, and to excess. Maybe she needs to go to sleep early for work, and he doesn't, so he is up late drinking by himself as she goes to bed lonely. Maybe he is up all night puking, lol. Only kidding:) (maybe)

I never quite caught what he does for a living. It's something to do with fishing and it takes him away from home. Do you know what it is? I didn't catch what she did either. Maybe she won't like the idea of him away from home and drinking with the guys in bars with other woman.

I was thinking that you were enjoying seeing Byron's father since you knew him. Their house looked like a mansion. I wonder if it was their house or a rented place for the family to meet.

That's funny about the dress. Yes, "over the top" is a good phrase, lol.”

“lh - Byron is a professional bass fisherman and was world champion two years. He goes around the world on a circuit of bass fishing tournaments. It was mentioned that having Mary along would be a plus.

You probably missed the end of the "aftermath" show where Byron and Mary announced that Byron would be moving to Florida and buying a house. They will probably get married in the next year sometime. Byron said that he couldn't see taking Mary away from her family.

The house they used was a rented house for the show. Byron's father and mother are divorced. Is suspect that Byron's father retired from GM somewhere in the midwest...not sure where.”