Another responsible NRA member

“Next topic, Dogs On The Trail, Good or Evil. ;-)”

“Packs of domestic runaways on the trail would lower the hiking population.”

“Bear I think if you read a bit more of my postings you would see I don't own a gun or want to purchase one. So I'm not really affraid of anything. Other than a unarmed public is a public that can be controlled with ease. Hence why the amendment was written in the first place.”

“Who is talking about an unarmed public? And anhow, freedom stems from the hearts of the people of a country, not a firearm.”

“Tell that to Yugoslavia.”

“Not true Y2 I'd like to see you be a free man and stand up to a armed army with just your heart. I guess you could but you'd be a dead free man and the army would be in one piece. The foundation of arming a public is so the goverment couldn't get to strong and we as citizens have the ablity to revolt. Yes our founding fathers believed that a revolution every so often would be a good thing.”

“I don't think I read anything into it, flasher but lets move on.

A. The odds of a revolution in this country are infinitly small

B. If "the people" had to raise up against the Govt & US Army then "the people" would be squashed. Shotgun or no shotgun.”

“As southern blacks started owning firearms in the south before WWII, the number of incidents of the police making illeagl raids into their homes at night decreased precipitiously.”

“In the days now of terrorism as a war tactic
the advantage held by organized armys is lost very quickly when things become chaotic. Iraq is but the beginning of methods which will become standard only in their ever changing character.”

“Doubtful bear but believe what you must and I'll believe what I want

And You said "Since the right can be taken away it seems to me that it is more a privilege than an absolute right.

Is that what you're all afraid of?”"

Thing is I'm not afraid of anything so yes you did read into something. Because the goverment taking away this RIGHT is;

A. Not likely to happen.
B. There is no other points to point out I just wanted to put a B as A alone looked stupid.”

“freedom stems from the hearts of the people of a country, not a firearm

credibility”

“Mutt, it's a bit of a cheesy line Mutt - but it's basically why you have trouble pushing democracy on any nation. It's why Putin has been able to psuh back freedoms in a gradual way and not face much opposition. It's also why many former colonized countries soon moved to dictatorships following independance.”

“I don't think any significant political decision has ever, orever will be made with the consideration "We'll face an armed insurrection by the mnilitias if we do that." More likely that it'll go padly with the voters."”

“No flasher. I was posing a question. Trying to understand why gun advocates start foaming at the mouth when someone suggests, say, taking away "the peoples right" to purchase rocket launchers.

I wasn't asking you, per say.”

“Y2 - the point is you need both. Unfortunately even that is no guarantee.”

“My typing sucks thou!”

“But anyway, I don't think your guns are under any threat at all to be honest. The gun lobby, largely led and organized by the NRA, is too powerful for any single politician to take on.”

“I think the main concern, at lest for myself, is that the freedom will erode over time as new and stricter laws are written.”

“This year, the Democrats in Chicago have twice almost got the Illinois legislature to pass a statewide law that would make possession of many popular hunting rifles and shotguns a felony in Illinois.”

“Enforce the laws we already have.

Well said Nonconformist. End of story.”

“many popular hunting rifles and shotguns a felony in Illinois.... tell us more Prosecutor. What is is about these weapons that's leading to them being banned?

So who goes hunting with a .50 caliber rifle Prosecutor? Anyone out there go hunting with one?

The rest seems like a failed attempt to re-enact the federal assault weapons ban which expired in 2004 in Illinois?”

“I think this would be a better tool for a terrorist than a hunter.”

“So who goes hunting with a .50 caliber rifle Prosecutor? Anyone out there go hunting with one?

Many muzzleloaders are .50 caliber.”

“Fair enough zac, I'm no expert on this.

these are also .50 caliber though



Isn't there a threat that these could be used to taget aircraft.

The whitetails must be very afraid ;o)”

“How popular are they zac?”

“Isn't there a threat that these could be used to taget aircraft.

Buhahahahahahahahaha! Ignorance breeds fear.”

“How popular are what? .50 cal muzzleloaders? They're almost standard for whitetails during black powder season in my area.
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“Well having lived with the DC sniper for a few weeks Mutt - it's amazing what fear a couple of people with a high-power rifle can cause. People ducking behind their cars at gas stations, that sort of thing.”

“.50 Cal muzzleloaders are pretty popular. I think Iowa has a muzzleloading season actually.”

“Gee, y2, I thought *I* was the one living in fear.”

“Hey I didn't say i did. i think with people being shot all over the place then the fear was pretty genuine. I certainly thought about where I'd be filling up with gas or what home depot I'd go to.

I think the makers of that particular gun even market it as being able to bring down an aircraft with a couple of well-placed shots?
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“The reason for allowing weapons to American citizens has nothing to do with giving them the ability to hunt animals.”

“The Illinois Bill to ban certain firearms that the Chicago Democrats keep reintroducing in the legislature would ban any semiautomatic shotgun with either a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon or has a fixed magazine capacity in excess of 5 rounds. Since at least one manufacturer of shotgun shells is selling shorter shotgun shells to allow a 5 shot semi-automatic shotgun to hold 6 shells, this bill would criminalize popular semiautomatic shotguns used by hunters like myself.

The same Bill would ban any a semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and that has a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon. Many popular sporting rifles would be criminalized, including the one that I use every year deer hunting.

The same Bill would ban 50 caliber and larger rifles. I own a collection of antique rifles representing almost each decade from the Revolutionary War to the present. This collection has several .50 caliber rifles that would be banned.”

“I understand the people of Illinois when polled actually support this ban. Maybe it should be on the ballot.

Would you obey the law if it were changed in this way Prosecutor?
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“prosecutor - are weapons grandfathered in on these bans?”

“The rest seems like a failed attempt to re-enact the federal assault weapons ban which expired in 2004 in Illinois?”
Y2
4:21:42 PM
3/29/06



I forget again......just what is an assault weapon??”

“It's a toy that lets your average gun nut fire many rounds in a short space of time. There's no real need for it but it makes the person pulling the trigger feel very special.”

“I shoulda added a ;o) to that one.”

“They get all tingly in their special place?”

“LOL, it does kinda feel tingly!”

“The bill seems to be about guns with magazines of more than 10 rounds and .50 caliber rifles. I think it's 'assault weapons' plus .50 caliber.”

“Hmmmmmmmmm. What club do they belong to?”

“Had Cheney one of those we'd still be talking about his hunting trip.”

“I knew you'd like that one bearmagnet.



I'm sure they belong to one of thousands of clubs across the country in which men, women, children, and the occasional hot babe shoot. Shooting SPORTS is a huge industry and is a lot of fun if anyone wants to try. I doubt that they allow rocket launchers though.

Rocket launchers????? You don't really think that do you??”

“Doesn't seem like there's much mingling in those photos, though. But I'll join the babe club!

Rocket launchers are "arms", no?”

“They could well be obsessed with their hobby and toys as many seem to be, not yourself admittedly, but look over at the how many guns you got thread.

It just seems to me that gun owners are always advocating teaching repsonsible gun handling to kids, yet when actually asked to take any responsibilty that might actually deals with some of the problems of gun ownership - like a teenager being able to go get one to kill his schoolfriends on a street corner, they suddenly don't want to take responsibility any more and start crying that someone is trying to take their guns away.

There are better answers to this, but the NRA effectively keeps them off the table.”