Another responsible NRA member

“I didn't see any NRA officials killing babies in Waco.
    P.J. O'Rourke”

“I didn't see any NRA officials killing babies in Waco.
    P.J. O'Rourke”

“"The great object is that every man be armed . . . Everyone who is able may have a gun." (Patrick Henry, in the Virginia Convention on the ratification of the Constitution.)”

“"I can come up with more quotes than you can".

...Tommy Gun”

“The little war between ,'Control and NRA'has had the affect of keeping good non-lethal protection from being a reality.The energy wasted over these historic relics is solving nothing.Or,does something non-lethal that is more effient,faster and more concealable
scare the 'cops and robber sorts'who spend their time on this battle field?

Allow those with 'ill intent'to have fear of the public--then you will see change.”

“Chill, How many quotes can you have that will ride the fence, without expressing the ground you truly stand for? Its one or the other, which is it? I smell waffles!

Why don't you all roll this dead horse over so you can work the other side.”

“A government and its agents are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any particular individual citizen.
     District of Columbia Courts, 444 A.2d 1 (D.C. App.181)”

“"There are going to be situations where people are going to go without assistance. That's just the facts of life."
— LA Police Chief Darryl Gates”

“Let's see them and who there from.... What is your point???”

“Holy shat! Tommy Gun = Charalten Hestan!”

“Put concealed reliable,quick and simple non-lethal protection in the hands of your neighbors and soon 'NO ill-intented types'will be neighbors of yours.”

“"Today, we need a nation of Minutemen, citizens who are not only prepared to take arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as the basic purpose of their daily life and who are willing to consciously work and sacrifice for that freedom."
~~ John F. Kennedy”

“Its too bad there are no people like that today.

We need some one like JFK again.

8)”

“"That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there." ~~ George Orwell”

“Hummmmmmmm.........


8|”

“It is true! I am Carlton Heston! You have to put up with me just like you put up with George W. Eveil doer and the others......

Conservitives back pack too,,,,,,”

“Insurance for school shootings?

The National Education Association's decision to offer teachers insurance for school shootings at work is unnecessary hype ("Teachers offered 'unlawful' homicide insurance," USA TODAY.com, Thursday).

Since the fall of 1997, four teachers have been shot to death in any type of shooting at elementary or secondary schools, an annual rate of one per 3.3 million teachers. In addition, during the same period, 32 students have been killed, an annual rate of one death per 4 million students.

Both numbers include deaths from gang fights, robberies, accidents, as well as attacks such as the one at Columbine High School near Littleton, Colo.

For some perspective, during that same period, 53 students died playing high school football. 

John R. Lott Jr. 

Senior research scholar
School of Law, Yale University
New Haven, Conn.

USA TODAY, August 1, 2001
Copyright 2001 Gannett Company, Inc. 
USA TODAY 
August 1, 2001, Wednesday, FINAL EDITION
SECTION: NEWS; Pg. 10A”

“Small Arms Save Lives

The Wall Street Journal Europe
http://interactive.wsj.com/articles/SB996447895381587961.htm
July 30, 2001 
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Small Arms Save Lives

By John R. Lott Jr. Mr. Lott is a senior research scholar at Yale University Law School and author of "More Guns, Less Crime" (University of Chicago Press, 2000).

The United Nations' conference on small arms, which ended in controversy earlier this month, had an admirable enough goal: to save lives. Some conference attendees claimed that guns used in armed conflicts cause 300,000 deaths world-wide every year. The "international community's" proposed solution? Prevent rebels from getting guns by requiring that "member states complete a registry of all small arms within their borders" and by "limiting the sale of such weapons only to governments."

This may be an understandable "solution" from governments that don't trust their citizens. But it also represents a dangerous disregard for their citizens' safety and freedom. For that reason, the Bush administration should be thanked, not scolded, for effectively squelching the accord. Why? First, and most obviously, because not all insurgencies are bad. It is hardly surprising that infamous regimes such as those in Syria, Cuba, Rwanda, Vietnam, Zimbabwe, and Sierra Leone support these provisions. To ban providing guns to rebels in totalitarian countries is like arguing that there is never anything such as a just war.

But, in hindsight, would Europeans really have preferred that no resistance was put up as Hitler rolled across Europe? Should the French or Norwegian resistance movements simply have given up? Surely this would have minimized war causalities. Many countries already ban private gun ownership. Rwanda and Sierra Leone are two notable examples. Yet, with more than a million people hacked to death over the last seven years, were their citizens better off without guns?

Schindler's Guns

What about the massacre of civilians in Bosnia? Would that have been so easy if the Bosnian people had been able to defend themselves? And what about the Jews in the Warsaw ghetto during World War II? Wouldn't it have been better if they had more guns to defend themselves? With all the well-deserved publicity for the movie "Schindler's List," the movie left out how Schindler, an avid gun collector, stockpiled guns and hand grenades in case the Jews he was protecting needed to defend themselves. More recently, the rules would have prevented the American government from assisting the Afghanis in their fight against the Soviet Union.

There is a second reason to avoid a ban on small arms. Even in free countries, where there is little risk of a totalitarian regime, gun bans all but invariably result in higher crime. In the U.S., the states with the highest gun ownership rates have by far the lowest violent crime rates. And similarly, over time, states with the largest increases in gun ownership have experienced the biggest drops in violent crime.

Recent research by Jeff Miron at Boston University, examining homicide rates across 44 countries, found that countries with the strictest gun control laws also tended to have the highest homicide rates. Earlier this month, news reports in Britain showed how crimes with guns have risen 40% since handguns were banned in 1997. Police are extremely important in stopping crime, but almost always arrive on the scene after the crime occurs. What would the U.N. recommend that victims do when they face criminals by themselves? Passive behavior is much more likely to result in serious injury or death than using a gun to defend oneself. The only serious research on this issue has been conducted in the United States.

The National Crime Victimization Report, done by the U.S. Department of Justice, indicates consistently that women who behave passively are 2.5 times more likely to be seriously injured than women who defend themselves with a gun. It is the physically weakest people (women and the elderly) who benefit the most from having a gun. Criminals, overwhelmingly young males, like to attack the targets that will give them the least trouble. A gun represents a great equalizer. Defensive gun uses are almost completely ignored by the media, but Americans use guns defensively about two million times a year, five times more often than guns are used to commit crimes.

Media Disregard

No one would ever learn this by simply watching the news. In part this disregard by the media might arise because an innocent person's murder is more newsworthy than when a victim brandishes a gun and an attacker runs away with no crime committed. Unlike the crimes that are avoided, bad events provide emotionally gripping pictures. But covering only the bad events creates the impression that guns only cost lives. Even the rare local media coverage of defensive gun use in the seldom involves more than very brief stories. News worthiness also dictates that these stories are not the typical examples of self-defense, but the rare instances where the attacker is shot. In fact, in up to 98% of the cases, simply brandishing a gun is sufficient to stop a crime.

Fewer than one out of 1,000 defensive gun uses results in the attacker's death. World-wide we hear about crimes like the public-school shootings, as we should, but we never even hear locally about the many more lives saved. Since the well-known public shootings started in the fall of 1997, 32 students and four teachers have been killed in any type of shooting at elementary or secondary schools, an annual rate of one death per four million students. This includes deaths from gang fights, robberies, accidents, as well as attacks such as the one at Columbine.

But some sense of proportion is needed. During that same period, 53 students died playing high school football.

-- From The Wall Street Journal Europe”

“I have posted many quotes that represent my perspective about firearms..... Were are you gun control magots now.... How are you going to shut me up! Prove me wrong!!!”

“Not to knit pick since we're all capable of typos but its Charlton Heston or simply 'Chuck' to those that think they know him!

He spoke at the Harvard Law School in '99 and its a interesting read if you're willing to gander over the fence.


or
”

“As a fellow gun owner Tommy I think I speak for all of us: Shut the hell up! Use some of that energy and information to politically educate children, much like the liberals(fuzzy,stinkies) do. So we may propagate our ideology through the generations, and end the socialist agenda once and for all. Wouldn't it be much nicer if they just came to our homes and tried to take our guns? That would bring a quick end to this irrelevent debate. Oh well, just wishful thinking.”

“No. A little reminder of what our gun rights mean to us will not hurt anyone. Besides we have to listen to the left wing on this board, why shouldn't the right have it's say???”

“Tommy Gun ..

Can you say OBSESSION?

You got it.

Warming to know mentals like you have guns. *wink*”

“You know I was once a member of the NRA. I also have many guns both handguns and long guns. I think that a U.S. citizen in goodstanding with the law has a right to own a gun. Having said that, I'll tell you why I am no longer a member of the NRA. I believe in most of the things the NRA stands for and I believe in them standing up to the politicians. The biggest grip I have with them is their constantly asking for more money and trying to FORCE their ideas an everone. Everone has their own opions for their own reasons. Each side can show quotes and statistics in their own favor. Both sides have good points. Gun ownership is not for everone and it shouldn't be. More people have guns that shouldn't than those that need guns and can't get them. ( here in the U.S. anyway ) nuff said, this horse is not only dead it is beginning to decay and rot.

BAMA”

“And why exactly do you need "many" guns? You expecting a war? LMAO. Or do you also have a gun obsession like "Tommy Gun", who is so obsessed he even uses it in his name? Obsession is mental illness, you know.”

“No it ain't any type of obsession. I hunt bear, elk, deer etc... I have differant caliber rifles for these. I also hunt in differant areas so I use differant types of guns for differant areas. In the northern states I use rifled shotguns, out west flat shooting rifles and down south short brush guns. I also collect old guns so I have several of these. Add to this collection several shotguns for quail and ducks and some 22's for plinking. As you can see it don't take long to have quite a few.

BAMA”

“WAY TA GO TOMMYGUN, YOU DA MAN! ! . . .. . . .^5 CHUCK! !”

“So you have an obsession and compulsion for killing LOTS of different types of animals, TOO!

See a shrink, dude. It'll do ya some good.”

“Thebackpacker, do you belong to PETA?”

“Hey, you little pubescent, pimply-faced pissant, why don't you go jerk off on your momma's back issues of Cosmo and leave the intelligent discussion to the adults? You're really not very good at this. It seems as though the bulk of your education has come from watching 'The Simpsons'. I'll bet you're the class nerd that nobody in school likes. Tell me, do the other students leave dog $hit in your locker?”

“Did I mention that he is a self-confessed $hit-packer, too?"
Father Goose
12:40:06 AM
05/02/02

Absolute untruth from FG.

Father Goose = STUPID, or LIAR.

PETA? no.”

“Not that there's anything to be ashamed of if you ARE the school geek.”

“Do you, then, eat meat?”

“Hey, thebackpacker
Yea, I hunt and enjoy it. For those that don’t concur with this, that fine, every one is entitled to his or her own opinion. But you don’t seen to be against just hunting, you seem to against life itself.
You wrote

"So you have an obsession and compulsion for killing LOTS of different types of animals, TOO!




What did you eat this past week? What type of shoes are you wearing? Do rats run free in your house? Do you spray for termites? Does your windshield have bugguts? Do you slap a mosquito? Are you a host to a tapeworm? I think you can see that we all kill animals. It appears to me that you are nothing more than a troll, hiding behind some other secret persona. If you were intelligent enough to discuss our differences I would be happy to oblige. Considering your mentality I won’t waste my time discussing this with you. I hope you’re a young guy, your so full of #&%!$ it will take you a life time to pass it.

BAMA”

“I for one dont have any trouble with hunting/killing/useing animals for food and other needs but I also hate those who kill such animals merely for sport.”

“Don't we already have a thread about the NRA?”

“Every thread is about the NRA.”

“They ALL kill animals for sport under the guise that it's for food. Just listen to them brag on and tell "stories" about how they killed their "food".

Yeah, right, Rambo.”

“Mmmmm... Venison...

Listen, I had a meal in Taos about two years ago from a restaurant at the base of a ski lift (this was in the summer) that we hiked up to. The place is called the Bavarian. Great beer. Anyway, the owner had a special going on venison medallions and spaetzle from a deer he had brought down himself.

Delicious. I never once felt sorry for the deer. I can't say I really worried about getting shot while I was eating either...

Of course, there was no NRA sticker in on the door, so I guess that nullifies the whole story. Ah well...”

“Tuesday, May 07, 2002


WASHINGTON — The Republican National Committee, which counts on unlimited "soft money" donations to run political campaigns, filed suit on Tuesday to overturn the ban on such donations, signed into law in March by President Bush.


The campaign finance reform law is being challenged by several groups, who say the ban is a violation of free speech rights for political groups like the RNC and the Democratic National Committee, which also relies on the large-size checks unabashedly collected from corporations, unions and others.

The National Rifle Association, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, the National Association of Broadcasters and Sen. Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., have all filed suit charging the new law's restrictions on political ads during election periods is unconstitutional, as is the ban on soft money used to pay for overhead, issue ads and generic get-out-the-vote activities.

NRA... gotta have power.”

“Power of the Vote. NRA is not some giant evil empire. They are ordinary common Americans
4,000,000 and counting. Thats 4,000,000 Votes.The majority is generaly silent, Clubs like the NRA are a vehicle to voice our opinions because we do not have a penchant for screaming on street corners and performing media stunts. We are to busy BUILDING America.”

“Pistol Fires at Event for Rep. Barr
Wed Aug 7, 9:47 AM ET

ATLANTA (AP) - An antique .38-caliber pistol accidentally discharged as it was being handled by Rep. Bob Barr ( news, bio, voting record) during a reception in his honor. The bullet hit a glass door, and no one was hurt.



Georgia lobbyist Bruce Widener said Tuesday that he had removed the magazine from his 1908 Colt but did not clear the chamber before handing the weapon to Barr, a board member of the National Rifle Association.

Widener said "one of us hit the trigger" just as he gave Barr the gun during Friday's reception at Widener's home.

"Nobody was in any danger. We were handling it safely, except that it was loaded," said Widener, an independent lobbyist. "I am thankful Bob was careful to always keep the weapon pointed in a safe direction."

Through a spokesman, Barr said: "This accident only underscores the importance of proven gun safety measures, especially when owning and handling antique firearms."

Widener had opened his gun cabinet to Barr and others at the reception and acknowledged that it is unsafe to store a loaded weapon there.

Barr is locked in a tight Republican primary with fellow incumbent John Linder in Georgia's redrawn 7th Congressional District. Barr has tied his NRA endorsement closely to his campaign.

Of the gun accident, Linder said: "The first time you hear this, it's funny. But it's not funny. The guy's a loose cannon. I've been around guns a lot. I just don't pick up other people's guns."

The election is Aug. 20.”

“BB has my endorsement too. He has been a huge help and a crucial supporter for many years. We never could have come this far without him.”

“Anybody who has been trained in handling firearms knows that the first thing you do when you pick up a semi-automatic firearm is to take out the magazine and the second thing is to clear the chamber.”

“And the third is to look into said chamber.”

“Proves the validity of that rule, Never take for granted that you were handed an unloaded piece. We were taught that if someone else checked it and handed it to you it was your responsibliity to check it again.”

“Just heard this tidbit on Radio Z (100.9 FM, Zurich Switzerland):
Man accidentally shot friend in leg with a SG90 assault rifle when he took it out of the trunk of his car after an afternoon's target practice. "The thing just went off!" explained the dumbfounded man.
(My colleague, who finished his basic military training as panzergrenadeer recently, and I snorted "idiot" simultaneously...)”

“Guns don't kill people
Idiots kill people”

“The NRA is sponsoring a rally this Saturday for Saxby Chambliss (Sen. candidate) and Bob Barr (Cong. candidate) in nearby Gwinnett Co. GA.

I'm there, bay-bee!”

“Don't forget to duck if someone hands Bob anything!”