Another responsible NRA member

“What's the connection with NRA? Or do you just assume that anyone who picks up a gun is a member of NRA?”

“You really won't make the link unti Charton Heston goes postal will you?

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/09/10/assault.weapons.ban/”

“I'm thinking that the first few shots Wilson shot at the killer's bullet-proof jacket, will throw him abit off balance. Right after that, shoot out his legs.”

“Link?”

“When bullet proof vests are outlawed only outlaws will have bullet proof vests.”

“The real NRA member, Mark Alan Wilson, gave his life trying to protect innocent people. He was permitted to carry a concealed weapon.
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The bad guy in this case was probably an illegal alien who bought the AK from drug dealers.
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When are gun control idiots going to realize that 99.9999% of the NRA members obey the laws of the land. When are they going to understand that guns don't commit crimes, bad people do.
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And if gun control idiots weren't so lazy, they could read any number of letters and policy papers written by the very guys who framed the Constituion and the Bill of Rights which very clearly explain the right of ALL citizens to bear arms. And don't try the militia gambit on me. I'll start quoting the Fathers on this topic. You'll wind up looking stupid.”

“NRA = Gun Manufacturer's Lobby masquerading as a civil rights defender.

That said, I still think guns are not the problem. People will find ways to hurt other people without them.”

“There were all sorts of positions taken by the Founding Fathers that didn’t make it into the Constitution. What actually did make it in is the law of the land. Everything else is interesting – but not law.

Why can't the gun nuts understand this?”

“NRA = about 6 million members like me not in the gun maufacturing business + the gun manufacturers. Don't like it? Too bad. We're here to stay.
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"There were all sorts of positions taken by the Founding Fathers that didn’t make it into the Constitution. What actually did make it in is the law of the land. Everything else is interesting – but not law."
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Well the law of the land is that I can own all the legal guns I want. And if you can find any quotes from the FF that says they wanted to strip the citizens of weapons (like the monarchs were doing in Europe at the time) all of us "gun nuts" would love the read them. Give us the quote, the person, and the source document. You guys talk a good game but when it comes down to the facts as they were when the 2nd Amendment was written, you got NADA! You're a bunch of whining bull$hitters.
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“"...the very guys who framed the Constituion and the Bill of Rights which very clearly explain the right of ALL citizens to bear arms." - SH


ALL?

ALL??

Very interesting you would say that. The Second Amendment does not say that. How did you come up with that wild idea? According to you, ALL citizens have the right to bear arms, from mental patients to felons, even children by your statement.

If gun rights advocates weren't so delusional they could see they have misrepresented the intent of the Second Amendment... to defend the State, not some wild fantasy they have concocted.
last edited: 2/26/05 11:45:20 AM”

“USA show your back-up documents. If you can provide one, I'll provide two backing my position. I'm waiting............


....I'm going to love this. It's fun making fools out of these guys.”

“Phaedrus, Bashing the NRA.

The amount of energy this clod expends trying to convince the majority to join the minority is a joke. Perhaps it soothes his ego. He is a kook.”

“BBw on 99 percent of the stuff you say, me and you disagree. But when it comes to the 2nd Amendment we totally agree.”

“You should open your mind a little.”

“I agree that people should have the right to own all the guns they want, provided they haven't abused the right in the past and are competent.

That said, the NRA's stance toward shielding gun manufacturers from lawsuit tells a lot about their funding, and how they feel about the constitution's provisions for jury trials. Yep, a truly selfless civil rights organization. Pfft.

This really isn't a hot-button issue with me, so you guys have fun getting worked into a lather about it.”

“All the suds are on you, bro. I am glad you took a break. Foaming at the mouth was not a good look for you. I am willing to give you a fresh start.

Try being a real human being.”

“Yeaaaaah, okey doke. I'll be taking personal advice from you soon. Count on that.”

““I agree that people should have the right to own all the guns they want, provided they haven't abused the right in the past and are competent.”

This single statement puts the whole issue in a nutshell. Rights come with responsibilities. We should have the right to own any gun we choose but at the same time we should be willing to be responsible. I have no problem with a national gun registry and licensing. The NRA crowd tries to put images in our minds of the gubmint’s stormtroopers smashing down our doors to come for our guns if we register our guns. It’s bullchit.

Too say we should be able to own any gun without conditions and restrictions (licensing and registration) is as retarded as saying anyone can own and drive a car with out having a license or registering their car.”

“BTW Phaed, let me take this time to apologize for agreeing with you. LOL!”

“Too say we should be able to own any gun without conditions and restrictions (licensing and registration) is as retarded as saying anyone can own and drive a car with out having a license or registering their car.”
Nigal
4:15:01 PM
2/26/05

This is common sense, not NRA policy.

Nigal has been duped by left wing propaganda.”

“You're forgiven, Nigal. I've been a lot more agreeable these last few weeks, since I found Jesus.”

““This is common sense, not NRA policy.”

Of course it’s common sense and that’s exactly why it isn’t NRA policy. The NRA expects complete and total freedom of rights with no responsibility. And this is the very reason I’m not a member.”

“Where'd ya find 'em Phaed? I know a lot of people who've been looking for him. :)”

“Yeaaaaah, okey doke. I'll be taking personal advice from you soon. Count on that.”
Phaedrus
4:12:10 PM
2/26/05

To agree with me would be an admission of failure. I understand that.

If you fail and deny you were wrong it is a character flaw.”

“I really did find Jesus in the gutter ourside my office. It was a crucifix a coworker had dropped on Ash Wednesday. I've enjoyed telling folks I found Jesus, because it's true.

http://www.nraila.org/Search/Search.aspx

There's a list of the NRA's most recent political activism according to their own website.

Gun registration is apparently the worst thing that could happen. I think Nigal characterized their attitude correctly.”

“Bashing Jesus.

Good look for you.”

“5th Amendment, Self-Incrimination, & Gun Registration

Canada: Where Gun Registration Equals Confiscation

Florida Urgent Alert -- Act Now !! Help Stop Gun Registration

Top three stories. Imagine that.”

“Who bashed Jesus? I like him. I also returned the crucifix to its owner.

Go find someone else to try to demonize.”

“Oops. Type the word registration into that search box on the NRA site, and you'll see what I mean.”

“From the NRA site:

"Constitutional issues aside, those who wonder what motivates American gun owners should understand that perhaps only one other word in the English language so boils their blood as "registration," and that word is "confiscation." Gun owners fiercely believe those words are ominously related."

This is exactly what I mean. They are trying to use fear tactics while at the same time they try to equate "registration" with "confiscation".”

“Demonize the NRA, Bash Jesus.

Good look for you.”

“If that's how you categorize a fairly accurate portrayal of the NRA and a bit of humor about finding a crucifix, good for you.

Glad to see you're not a zealot about anything or completely humorless.”

“Ahhhhh! Almost like old times, ain't it?”

“Glad to see you're not a zealot about anything or completely humorless.”
Phaedrus
5:22:11 PM
2/26/05

I am laughing at you. If you think that makes me a humorless zealot, I am not surprised.”

“Good for you.”

“Good for all of us.”

“Registering guns will not stop criminals so why bother?”

“My guns and your guns are already as good as registered. There are records of the sales.”

“I've bought many guns from people who were not gun dealers. Where are those records?
last edited: 2/26/05 7:52:38 PM”

“I agree with the NRA. Registration is the first step towards confiscation. NAZI Germany, the Bolsheviks, the UK, Canada, Australia all did it. Buy your guns from private individuals to get around that BS. Pay cash.

And I'm still waiting for those Founding Father quotes and sources about the 2nd Amendment from the gun control wackos.
last edited: 2/27/05 10:38:52 AM”

“I'm still waiting for you to defend the rights of children, felons, and the insane to bear arms. And also please show where the word "ALL" is used in the Second Amendment. Put up or shut up.

Amendment II

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.



Now then, if your position is that children, felons, and the mentally ill, should not have arms, then you yourself are infringing on the right to bear arms.”

“Burning Manure Pile in Nebraska Goes Out

Updated: Wednesday, Feb. 23, 2005 - 1:57 PM

MILFORD, Neb. (AP) - It took nearly four months, but to the relief of neighbors miles around, a burning manure pile has been extinguished.

David Dickinson, owner and manager of Midwest Feeding Co., said Wednesday that several weeks of pulling the 2,000-ton pile apart proved effective by late last week.

"We got far enough through it, that it quit," Dickinson said.

Dickinson's feedlot, about 20 miles west of Lincoln, takes in as many as 12,000 cows at a time from farmers and ranchers and fattens them for market.

Byproducts from the massive operation resulted in a dung pile measuring 100 feet long, 30 feet high and 50 feet wide. Heat from the decomposing manure deep inside the pile is believed to have eventually ignited the manure.

The Nebraska Department of Environmental Quality told Dickinson that his smoldering dung pile violated clean-air laws and it worked with him as tried to extinguish it.

Huge feedlots have become commonplace, and dung fires have occurred around the country.

Dickinson said his pile may have been ignited in part because of grass clippings his feedlot had been accepting from the city of Milford. The clippings could be more combustible and he plans to stop accepting them, Dickinson said.

- 30 -”

“What a bunch of shlt!”

“Let me twist the hair splitting semantics back on you. I said ALL citizens. Citizens can vote. Felons and children cannot vote. Now can children legally own guns? Yes they can. They cannot buy them but I can give my minor children guns and they can carry them in the woods and on the target range all day long. Cry about that some.
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Insane people.....who gets to decide? Am I insane because I think the NRA is a great organization. Many like you would probably think we're crazy and would love to strip us of our 2nd Amendment rights. Now having said that there are laws on the books right now dealing with selling guns to known mentally incompetent individuals. It's not allowed and no one in the NRA has fought these laws.
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Finally, you really need to brush up on your American history Mr."USA". Or just go study the law case of U.S. vs Emerson. There is enough historical documentation on the meaning of the 2nd Amendment in that case alone to sink your regulated militia logic. Every decent constitutional law scholar in the US has studied the case and has come to the same conclusion as the NRA. It's only bozos like Shumer, Hillary, and yourself that are still trying this tired angle. Give it a rest or start documenting your case.
last edited: 2/27/05 3:21:16 PM”

“Perhaps if I really believed that gun regstration would lead to confiscation in the US, I might worry about it. I don't, so I don't.”

““USA show your back-up documents. If you can provide one, I\'ll provide two backing my position. I\'m waiting............


....I\'m going to love this. It\'s fun making fools out of these guys.”
solitary hiker
1:08:42 PM
2/26/05

Translation:

\"I\'m right. You\'re wrong and nothing you can say or do will make me think otherwise.\"

Seems a shame you care more about being right than about the issues at hand. Kind of discounts your words before you even say them.”

“U.S. Bill of Rights, 2nd Amendment: A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Indiana Constitution, Section 32: The people shall have a right to bear arms, for the defense of themselves and the state.

I don't understand how people get confused with the U.S. Second Amendment. Why in a document about individual rights would the founders of the constitution put in it the collective right of the country to defend itself? The military part that the gun bashers always throw out doesn't wash with me.

Hoosiers will always have the right to bear arms with our constitution.”

“"I said ALL citizens. Citizens can vote. Felons and children cannot vote." - SH



Hello? Is anybody in there? You said ALL citizens. Children born in the USA are citizens, yes, even at age 1. So now are you saying you have to be able to vote to have the right to bear arms? Because maybe if you knew your history, you would know women in this country didn't have the right to vote until, well, I will let you look that up for your lesson. So how do you use your twisted logic to explain that? Huh? Women were citizens, but didn't have a right to vote. So, by your standards would they have the right to bear arms?
last edited: 2/27/05 7:50:24 PM”

“USA, why don't you go play in traffic.”