Another responsible NRA member

“Not in the article quoted he isn't. Or am I suppose to know who this is and it must be common knowledge that he is a member.

More irresponsible posting from the wacko left.”

“As usual viOLin uses his tired old false link when he has no facts to back up his opinions.”

“ORLANDO, Florida (AP) -- A federal drug agent shot himself in the leg during a gun safety presentation to children in what police describe as an accident. His bosses, however, are still investigating the incident.

The Drug Enforcement Administration agent, whose name was not released, was speaking April 9 to about 50 adults and students organized by the Orlando Minority Youth Golf Association, witnesses and police said.

He drew his .40-caliber duty weapon and removed the magazine, according to the police report. He then pulled back the slide and asked an audience member to look inside the gun and confirm it wasn't loaded.”

“GIG HARBOR, Wash. – A woman near Gig Harbor, Wash. was arrested for shooting her husband in an argument over Internet porn.

Katherine Bratton told police she just wanted to teach him a lesson. She told police she didn't like what her husband was doing on the computer, so she grabbed a gun.

"Evidently she was angry with the fact that she thought he was looking at pornography on the computer and that's what set this whole thing off," said Ed Troyer, Pierce County Sheriff's Dept.

The suspect's 56-year-old husband told KING 5 that he was not surfing porn and that his wife was heavily medicated at the time of the shooting.

The woman fired a single shot that hit her husband in the shoulder Friday night. She confessed after police arrested her.

"We did recover the weapon that was used and we found multiple other weapons, some of the larger caliber guns, and she did make the statement that she was trying to hurt him, but was not trying to kill him, because if she was, she would have used a bigger gun and shot him in a different location," said Troyer.

The husband still has a bullet in the shoulder and is home recovering, but he is upset at his wife for using his Harley to bail out of jail.

http://www.king5.com/localnews/stories/NW_051204WABinternetpornKC.1b7f1da77.html”

“www.theindychannel.com

INDIANAPOLIS -- A Pizza Hut deliveryman who police say fatally shot a man on the city's east side Monday night says he acted in self-defense.

Ronald Honeycutt, 38, of Carmel, says he had just delivered a pizza at the Oaks Apartments around 11 p.m. Monday when a man approached him with a gun.

Honeycutt, who was near his delivery van and had his own gun, fired 15 times at the man, later identified as Jerome Brown, 20, of Indianapolis. Brown was taken to a hospital, where he was pronounced dead.

[...]
Pizza Hut, which has a policy forbidding deliverymen to carry weapons, fired Honeycutt soon after the shooting, Rinehart reported.

[...]
Honeycutt said he used all the ammunition he had because Brown kept standing.

"The guy literally stood there the whole time with his arm up," Honeycutt said. "The whole time, I'm popping off rounds ... (and) the guy's still standing there after 15 rounds went off in him."

[...]”

“So this is what they mean when they say that certain weapons have inadequate stopping power...”

“Quebec Man Charged in Shooting Death

AMOS, Quebec - A 19-year-old man in northern Quebec was charged with manslaughter on Monday after his infant sister died from a freak gunshot, police said.

The suspect in the small isolated Inuit community of Salluit on the Hudson Strait, 2,000 miles north of Montreal, was arguing with someone over the phone in a downstairs room at his mother's house when he picked up a .22 caliber rifle and fired several shots, police said.

One bullet went through the ceiling and hit the child, who was in her crib. The baby was taken to the village clinic, where she was pronounced dead.
<snip>”

“What the hell does a Canuck have to do with the NRA?”

“Like you don't know.”

“What? It shows that there are idiots north of the border as well as down here? That guns are evil? That floors should be made thicker? What?”

“"An armed society is a polite society." ~ Robert Heinlein”

“guns err bad, mmkay.”

“V thinks that everyone that owns a gun belongs to NRA. Especially if they do something he disapproves of. That's what makes him such a great liberal!”

“I guess the results would have been the same if this NRA member had been armed with a knife or something.

Sheesh.”

“I guess you won't be explaining how you happened to assume that the guy was an NRA member?”

“"The society of late twentieth century America is perhaps the first in human history where most grown men do not routinely bear arms on their persons and boys are not regularly raised from childhood to learn skill in the use of some kind of weapon, either for community or personal defense - club or spear, broadsword or long bow, rifle or Bowie knife. It also happens to be one of the rudest and crudest societies in history, having jubilantly swept most of the etiquette of speech, table, dress, hospitality, fairness, deference to authority and the relations of male and female and child and elder under the fraying and filthy carpet of politically convenient illusions. With little fear of physical reprisal Americans can be as loud, gross, disrespectful, pushy, and negligent as they please. If more people carried rapiers at their belts, or revolvers on their hips, It is a fair bet you would be able to go to a movie and enjoy he dialogue from the screen without having to endure the small talk, family gossip and assorted bodily noises that many theater audiences these days regularly emit. Today, discourtesy is commonplace precisely because there is no price to pay for it."

Samuel Francis”

“Blaming shooting deaths on guns is like blaming misspellings on keyboards.”

“Well... I've often thought they should take your keyboard away...”

“"Today, discourtesy is commonplace precisely because there is no price to pay for it."

Samuel Francis"

Yes, Dueling is the epitome of civility.”

“"Well... I've often thought they should take your keyboard away..."

Yes, I'm totally aware that liberals are against liberties.”

“That's a pretty weak casual correlation there mutt. Let me think of one....


More people die of cancer today than in days of lore...therefore antibiotics cause cancer!

I would also say some of the rudest people in my city carry guns and are rude to other people carrying guns. hence the shootouts over "rude" behavior.”

“man, this guy knows his history!

take for example the 1870-1930s american west a time and place where nearly everyone was carrying a gun.

no crimes or problems out there! an utopia for the civilized where kindness and goodwill was shown towards all men and hookers -erhh women.

and take for example current situation. drive through any poor, run-down neighbor where 1/2 the kids are "packin" or whatever they call it now. fine examples of true christian etiquette on every block - that's for sure!

now go to some pissant country like england or germany where they have much fewer guns per person.
now you can read all the facts and figures you want about crime and murders and such - but sammy F. and i know know the real deal.”

“I was going to post this story in the "Stupid Criminal Tricks" thread.

I hope that 19 year old idiot gets what's coming for him”

“From: The Grand Rapids Press

A man who had an arsenal of firepower at his rural compound near Cadillac, including two heavily armed "war wagons," pleaded guilty to possessing machine guns and pledged to cooperate in the hunt for other shadowy rebels.

"It's the best thing for me to do, sir," Norman Somerville replied when a federal judge in Grand Rapids asked if he was reluctant to admit guilt.

After his capture 10 months ago, Somerville was wild-eyed and anxious as he warned of a "quiet civil war" in the countryside.

That anti-government swagger was gone Wednesday as he explained he owned 13 machine guns, most made from kits and then modified into illegal weapons.

"Very easy to come by. You can find them on the Internet," Somerville, 44, explained.

Authorities found much more last fall during a search of his 40-acre property, about 15 miles northwest of Cadillac.

Agents discovered an underground bunker, thousands of rounds of ammunition, hundreds of pounds of gunpowder and manuals on guerrilla warfare, "booby traps" and explosives.

There were chilling pictures of President Bush and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld with the cross hairs of a high-powered rifle scope drawn over them.

Finally, there were Somerville's self-described war wagons: a van and Jeep Cherokee outfitted with machine guns.

<snip>”

“Proof that guns seek to control people's minds and actions!”

“WMDs right at home!”

“He should registered and paid the federal tax on his machine guns to possess them legally.”

“Father Mistakes Daughter For Intruder And Shoots Her

Associated Press

HUDSON, Fla. - A father who thought he was confronting a burglar accidentally shot and critically wounded his 31-year-old daughter Monday when she came to her parents' house before dawn.

Teri Lee Moody tried to enter her parents' home shortly after 5 a.m. after being kicked out of the home where she was staying, the Pasco County Sheriff's Office said. Her two children, ages 4 and 10, were in her car.

Moody's mother heard a noise at the front door and woke her husband, George Earl Ingram, 54, sheriff's spokesman Doug Tobin said. Ingram armed himself with a handgun and went into the living room, where the gun suddenly went off when his daughter startled him, he told deputies.

Moody, who was struck in the side, was in critical condition Monday at Bayfront Medical Center. No charges have been filed.”

“where the gun suddenly went off

Nice slanted journalism there. Guns tend not to suddenly discharge, mkay? The dumbass obviously had his finger on the trigger before intending to fire.”

“Mutt, oh but they do 'suddenly go off', a NJ Jury bought that story when Jayson Williams the ex basketball millionaire blew away Gus Christofi his limosine driver with a shotgun.

The jury was not allowed to hear how he blew away his dog when he got annoyed at it earlier.

prosecutor Steven C. Lember derided the defense contention of a malfunction, reminding the jury that both sides tested the shotgun, but, "No expert could ever get that shotgun to fire without pulling the trigger."


Williams walked.”

“Disgusting!”

“Statistically speaking, the ownership of firearms saves more lives than take lives through homicide and accidental shootings.

That being said, the thought of an intruder being present is startling to the mind. I had a case of a police officer responding to a routine burglar alarm at a bank that just closed down. 99+% of these are false alarms. When the officer found the place ransacked, he caled for help in a hurry and fled towards the door and the safety of the back up officers. The offender jumped out from under a desk as the officer trotted by and the burglar started raising his hands with a silver object (which later turned out to be a collapsable baton). The officer thought he fired twice, yet the offender had four bullets in his chest (he lived) and the officer's revolver
had six expended rounds.”

“Statistically speaking

Statistics don't mean much to rabid antis like ynami et al.”

“3 primary rules of gun safety.

1. Treat all guns as loaded.
2. Keep Muzzle in a safe direction.
3. Be sure of your target and what is beyond.

Sounds like he was not too good on #3.”

“"Statistically speaking, the ownership of firearms saves more lives than take lives through homicide and accidental shootings."
- prosecutor
08:19:01 AM
08/24/04


I'd be interested in seeing those "statistics".

According to the 1998 study by Kellermann, Somes, Rivara, Lee, and Banton, published in the Journal of Trauma-Injury Infection & Critical Care, "for every time a gun in the home was used in a self-defense or legally justifiable shooting, there were four unintentional shootings, seven criminal assaults or homicides, and 11 attempted or completed suicides."”

“- Mutt said as he stroked the barrel of his precious.”

“LOL!!!!
Hey, everybody! Mutt's strokin' it again.”

“Americans use firearms to defend themselves from criminals about 760,000 times a year. This figure is the lowest among a group of 15 nationwide polls done by organizations including Gallup and the Los Angeles Times. That number far dwarfs the some 10,000 firearm homicides and the some 1,400 firearm accidental deaths.

Approximately 11% of gun owners and 13% of handgun owners have used their firearms for protection from criminals.

Washington D.C. enacted a virtual ban on handguns in 1976. Between 1976 and 1991, Washington D.C.'s homicide rate rose 200%, while the U.S. rate rose 12%.”

“So DC didn't have any other issues then Prosecutor, such as the rise in Gang activity - the emergence of crack, the problems of the mayorship of Marion Barry - the persistant lack of federal funding as the city can't raise it's own standards, the comparison of crime rates in other American cities with similar issues rather than comparing DC with the country as a whole?
No of course - it all comes down to the ban on guns. Rather like the trotting out of the apparent link between the lack of guns and a rising crime rate in England.”

“all the evidence is i need is my personal experience.

i have a gun.
my home has never been burglarized.
the king of england has yet to come over and start pushing me around.
i've never shot anyone yet.
what more proof could you want?
guns are good for society.
end of story.”

“There may be many contributing variables, ynami, of which gun ownership has statistical significance. Again, time for you to retake Stats 101.”

“Approximately 11% of gun owners and 13% of handgun owners have used their firearms for protection from criminals.

I'm curious about the extent as to "how within imminent danger" these people who reported these incidents were at the time of the "attack".

Are these actual situations where the life of the supposed victim was threatened or in REAL danger before producing his/her gun. Or is this all inclusive to situations where someone "felt threatened" because of an exchange of words or something to a les extent like that and produced a gun to scare off the opponent?

For instance, you are a legitimate gun owner. You hear some noise outside. You go out to tell the drunk fool to get off your property or you will shorten him by 10 inches. Does a hypothetical situation like this constitute a statistic with what you cite?”

“No Mutt, you seem to be confusing the fact that you are wrong about so many things, for a lack of understanding on my part. I understand your simplistic arguments and can see how they fall down, point after point.”

“and the merry-go-round goes round

and round

and round

This is yet another 'freedom of choice' issue where those that choose not to want to impose their choice on all.

It is so interesting that the 2 big freedom of choice issues are on the opposite sides of the political spectrum.

Dems - freedom of choice for abortion
No freedom to own firearms.

Reps - Freedom of choice to own firearms.
No choice to have an abortion.

Room for 2 more political parties here folks.

No choices at all
and
Free to do whatever.”

“Dems - freedom of choice for abortion
No freedom to own firearms.


Wrong again, Manuka. Can't you distinguish between folks who advocate some simple controls like waiting periods, et al. as opposed to the idea of taking your guns away? Talk about round and round. Listen to yourself! This isn't that difficult...”

“To be honest I think the dems have shied away from the issue, certainly at the high party level.”

“I understand your simplistic arguments and can see how they fall down, point after point

Funny you never verbalize it. In fact, you never really input much but your signature hand-waving away of inconvenient facts.”

“give me an example there then mutt?”

“And Tree, all the repubs want is some reasonable controls on abortion.

Ever try reading the firearms regulations on the more restrictive areas in the US tree.

Like DC, like NYC, like NJ, pretty much all are total bans, and then some exceptions are added for police, military, and priveleged.

Did you read Gremiln's post about what is happening in Canada today?

No, you people who do not like firearms for yourself want 'reasonable controls' such as no one can have firearms, except who I think should have them, which translates to privelege.

This country fought a war against the most powerful country on earth at that time to have freedom for all not just the priveleged.

How is it that the bill of rights applies to individual rights, except the right you do not agree with?”

“"Dems - freedom of choice for abortion
No freedom to own firearms.


Wrong again, Manuka. Can't you distinguish between folks who advocate some simple controls like waiting periods, et al. as opposed to the idea of taking your guns away? Talk about round and round. Listen to yourself! This isn't that difficult..."
Treebeard
10:56:49 AM



i firmly agree with TB.

i always used to be firmly anit-gun control for all the common reasons - only criminals will have guns then, i'm a hunter, yada yada yada.

in the last couple of years i've realized that all dems don't wanna take all guns away.

i asked myself - is there really a time when i NEED to buy an automatic gun right this instant???

do we really need the "freedom" to buy bodyarmor piercing bullets at walmart?

c'mon, a little moderation people.”