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The mutual agreement was that the item was for our use as a couple, I used my credit card to pay for the item.”
Bison
10:58:02 AM
8/16/05

This person recieved more than enough gifts during the relationship, they don't need to be keeping things that weren't gifts.

"Of course it was the fact they decided to return one of the items without my knowledge that prompted me to go down this road, so it really is more about principle than value (If it was about value I'd sue, not press charges). "


I don't know. To me it sounds like ya bought the chick some gifts, and went in together on one item. When she returned one of the gifts, ya got pissed, and now want all the gifts back. The mutually shared item obviously is less that $450.
Buddha Bear
11:24:01 AM
8/16/05

$450? Send her a note and tell her to enjoy the gifts. You will come out smelling like roses.
Nigal
11:26:53 AM
8/16/05

"This person kept property of mine (and "ours" that I paid for)."

I guess you didn't look far enough up the thread. Everyone here seems to want to focus on the one joint purchase, and I have a bit simply because that's what was returned without my knowledge and prompted me to think about going down this road. But we are talking about other items here that were clearly not joint purchases and obviously not gifts, they're simply my things that this person chose to keep, for what reason I don't know because they have absolutely no use for them whatever.
last edited: 8/16/05 11:27:52 AM
Bison
11:27:07 AM
8/16/05

Bison
Don't misunderstand any of my opinions.


I don't mean to be harsh or sarcastic.


I do sympathize with you. And $450 does bite.



Here . ..how's this for some perspective . . .

How long were you involved???

I am willing to bet that during that time you would have spent a lot more on hookers than your relationship!

From THAT perspective, it was probably a BARGIN!!!!!

less risky, more cost effective etc etc etc.


Nothing can cure a damaged heart but time. But it was definetly cost effective from a "physical contact" perspective.
lee
11:31:23 AM
8/16/05

You will come out smelling like roses.”
Nigal
11:26:53 AM


A bit too late for that after all the one sided bashing done here. LOL
StoveStomper
11:31:33 AM
8/16/05

I agree with Nigal (that's twice in two days - I think it's time to start doing drugs.)
Buddha Bear
11:32:06 AM
8/16/05

You should be happy that the individual in question returned an item. Seems that was a move done in good faith...and correct me if this is wrong...you received funds for the returned item.
Twinkle Toes
11:32:12 AM
8/16/05

Everyone here is actually focusing on letting go of the issue altogether. What will be gained in doing this other that to prove to yourself that you were "right." What does accomplish? Nothing.

These are all lessons I've spent the last 5-8 years working hard on. Construction can be very antagonistic. You have multiple parties not contractually related to each other that have to work together and large sums of money is involved. Sometimes you have to lose a battle or two to win the war. If you back off and let others "feel" like they've won then things go smoother. Swallowing your ego and sense of right and wrong can, in the end, be the better thing to do.
dayhiker
11:32:39 AM
8/16/05

"This is purely to run him or her through the mud, to let us know he or she is a bad person and to extract your pound of flesh."

I might see that as a motivation Lee if this had come up right after the breakup, and if it was simply about, "this person lied" or "This persons bad" etc...

But no, this is coming up much later, and it's not about that, it's about this person expecting that they can get away with certain things that are crimes, and I'm just not comfortable with that.

And if this person was a TTer, I'd never have posted anything if that person hadn't already had more than ample opportunity to correct the situation.
Bison
11:32:41 AM
8/16/05

Heck
Heck ---

Depending on what you are up for some of the cleaner hookers will take you for more than $450 for one night.
lee
11:32:44 AM
8/16/05

Seriously Bison. So you're living this great life in Denver, with a great new job, posting pics from trips and making us all envious. You in one of the outdoor capitals of America, full of outdoorsy fit women and, although I'm not a lawyer, you're gonna what? - "take a trip down south" and press charges. How much is that going to cost you?

And saying "If I wanted revenge I could do a lot more," doesn't really help you out here either.
Y2
11:33:02 AM
8/16/05

Twinkle Toes -

I have not recieved anything in the way of compensation for the item that was returned. And I have even offered to accept less than my actual interest in the item (I paid well more than half and offered to take only half of the value, as usual, no response)
Bison
11:35:50 AM
8/16/05

How do you know then that the item was returned if the returned fee was not on your statement?
Twinkle Toes
11:36:46 AM
8/16/05

This all reminds me of a conversation with a tt'er. There was a murder in his family. The death penalty was an option. Once he got to a point where he could forgive the other party he decided against lobbying for the death penatly. He finally decided that the bitterness of going the other way, would, in the end ruin him.

Taking the high road is always good advice.
dayhiker
11:37:09 AM
8/16/05

I should qualify what I meant by swallowing your sense of right and wrong. I don't mean that in the moral sense of the word. I mean that I can be correct on a technical point, but why push it if it's not actually important.
dayhiker
11:41:41 AM
8/16/05

Bison, aren't you sick of yourself yet? At the very least you must've given yourself a headache by now...I know I've got one...

SO...I saw The United States of Leland last night - I think I need to watch it again though, I wasn't really paying attention...
(oops, wrong thread - I wasn't on a date!)
twigeater
11:41:43 AM
8/16/05

Twinkle Toes -

I informed the store about the situation, they felt that because the purchase was made with my credit card, that was enough for them to fax me paperwork showing that the item was returned by that person (The purchase was tied to that persons customer number at that store, and the store has a very liberal return policy, so I guess that's why they took the return in the first place).
Bison
11:43:48 AM
8/16/05

Looking at this reasonably you must realize that when you go to the police, tell them your ex girlfriend has some stuff you bought together and won’t give them back, they are going to look at you like you have three heads and tell you to get a lawyer. Then you go to the lawyer and find out it’s going to cost you more to get the stuff back than it’s worth.

Listen to your friends here Bison. Be the bigger person. When I say you’ll be blessed later for it I also mean she won’t get away with it either.


Now go take on the day ya bassturd!! :)
Nigal
11:44:32 AM
8/16/05

No Twiggy, I like me, I don't often get sick of myself, I'm great company!

I'm not going to feel bad about discussing this issue here, no matter how much you may want me to, this person was given more than enough time to correct this situation before it was discussed here.

Nigal - As I've said I've already spoken with the authorities and have been told that they will persue this if I file a complaint.
last edited: 8/16/05 11:46:57 AM
Bison
11:45:53 AM
8/16/05

what a sitcom this thread could make.
Ewker
11:46:13 AM
8/16/05

Shrinkage Ewker! Shrinkage!
Nigal
11:47:02 AM
8/16/05

Bison
RE: Nigal's $.02

"Then you go to the lawyer and find out it’s going to cost you more to get the stuff back than it’s worth. "


Depending on how you value your TIME . .this has already cost you more than you could recover.
lee
11:47:33 AM
8/16/05

what about hookers??
WHAT, NO-ONE LIKED MY HOOKER ANALOGY???
lee
11:48:06 AM
8/16/05

“what a sitcom this thread could make.”
Ewker
11:46:13 AM
8/16/05

More like Jerry Springer, Ewker.
LOL

More sad than funny.


I'm done with this sad subject.

Twiggy, please hit me up side the head with a wet trout if I keep commenting.
last edited: 8/16/05 11:51:54 AM
StoveStomper
11:48:45 AM
8/16/05

Like I've stated Lee, this is more about principle than value. I wouldn't get away with something like this, I'm not interested in having other people get away with something I wouldn't get away with.

What I'd really like is for this person to return the items in question and return the value of my interest in the joint item. Not so that I can have the money, but rather so that I know that this person understands that what they've done is wrong.
Bison
11:51:11 AM
8/16/05

If common sense doesn't win the day figure out the equation below...

$450 devided by the number of times you got laid = getting off light.
Nigal
11:51:40 AM
8/16/05

I'm afraid I'm just not one of those people who puts a monetary value on sex, so it doesn't figure into the equation for me.
Bison
11:53:04 AM
8/16/05

So this really turns into a "By God, I'll teach her a lesson?" Sad.
dayhiker
11:53:24 AM
8/16/05

I was trying to use crude humor Bison because nothing else seems to be getting through. I think day hiker is right. This seems to be about nothing but vindication and spite.

I wish you well Bison no matter what you decide.
Nigal
11:55:41 AM
8/16/05

DR.Phil Where are you!!!!
I think we need to get the Philster on this one!
trailpacker
11:55:57 AM
8/16/05

how about Dr. Luara?
Spirit Coyote
11:57:34 AM
8/16/05

It just seems odd to me that you think this is about vindication and spite.

You think that when someone steals from you and you expect to have the items returned that that is vindication and spite? How strange.

I don't want to have to teach this person a lesson, I wish that they already understood that you don't take the property of others and pretend like it's yours. I sincerely wish that after one of my numerous attempts to contact them regarding this that they would have done something about it and this would never have come up. But apparently they don't get that.
last edited: 8/16/05 12:00:02 PM
Bison
11:58:28 AM
8/16/05

Well, not just vindication, but forcing someone else to do right whether they want to or not. You've said you'll make her do the right thing or else. Because of this, you've decided to make one pay, or punish them for not doing right. That's the vindicaiton end whether due to the emotional end or simply the moral one.
dayhiker
12:01:22 PM
8/16/05

Just freakin let it go. You arn't proving anything by keeping this up. Really.
Spirit Coyote
12:01:46 PM
8/16/05

I can see that Dayhiker, still hard to see the spite though, when you've given the person plenty of opportunity to correct the situation. Seems to me that acting out of spite would go more along with doing this without giving them the opportunity to correct the situation.
Bison
12:03:07 PM
8/16/05

can't believe this is all about a tent. Bison don't come back and say it isn't. You have been playing games with everyone on here. We aren't stupid. Everyone with a brain on TT knows who you are talking about.

Your the one who started the thread about leaving because of the breakup, now this.

get over it. All this is doing is making you look foolish.
Ewker
12:05:53 PM
8/16/05

Did I even start this discussion Spirit Coyote? No. I made a general throw-away comment and others picked up on it. I decided then that I'd like some opinions on the matter and have responded to the questions of others.

You act like I brought this up specifically to ruin someones good name. That didn't happen, go back and read the thread.
Bison
12:06:11 PM
8/16/05

This is not about a tent Ewker, you satisfied?
Bison
12:08:00 PM
8/16/05

Let go of your feeling Luke, use the force.

That's why I said it's a "I'll show her thing." If she doesn't do what you, or the law deem right then you will make sure she's punished. Be the bigger person.

Take $500 out of your first paycheck at your new job and burn it on something you'd never spend on yourself.
dayhiker
12:08:05 PM
8/16/05

Bison...I think that this person knows the difference between right and wrong and they choose not to return them likely to just plainly "Piss you off". I think that they are succeeding in doing so.

I have two X's that in my lifetime have succeeded in ripping all that I have owned and worked very hard for away from me. But at the end of the day, it doesn't matter. Really it doesn't. You need to be the bigger man.
trailpacker
12:08:16 PM
8/16/05

Yikes!! So this person understands what they did is wrong? Man oh man!! WTF? That's a nasty nasty nasty attitude.

By you trying to teach this person a lesson is a real act of a$$holio-ness. Calling this person a theif is bitterness. Threatening to press charges and stating that it would be really hard for them to get future work is mean-spirited and rife with revenge. Bringing the whole issue to TT....yuck.

Sorry Bison, you must let this go. Look at yourself...look how bitter you are! What the hell are you gaining from this? LET IT GO.
Twinkle Toes
12:10:34 PM
8/16/05

You may not have started it, but you sure continued it, adding more and more details. You could've just dropped the subject.
pixie
12:12:39 PM
8/16/05

Bison... my post is just something for you to think about...please don't answer this on this forum..in fact I believe it is better if you do not.

Did you love this person? If the answer to yourself is, yes.......let them have whatever item it is. right or wrong doesn't matter.

I'm purely speculating you did have serious feelings and are terribly hurt. Coming from a terrible loss of my own. I still want that person to have everything including anything I ever gave them including my heart...no matter how much it still hurts.

I hope you heal.
Carlette
12:13:33 PM
8/16/05

So you've asked for opinions, and I've hardly seen anyone say this is a good idea. Quite the opposite in fact, and yet you still say you're going to do it?
Y2
12:14:19 PM
8/16/05

Again I find it very odd to find vitriol coming from others not in my shoes.

Every time a corporation rips BB off he's on here #&%!$in' about it, what's the difference?

I seriously doubt that if a professor gave Twinks an F in a class that she deserved to pass that she wouldn't consider taking the matter to academic review, again, what's the difference. Would you just "let it go?" I'm pretty sure that you wouldn't.
Bison
12:15:00 PM
8/16/05

Demand 1 more booty call! Then drop it. Unless you can get another booty call
CrazyPace
12:18:11 PM
8/16/05

Then I suggest you end your discussion of the topic here. Contact a lawyer and make it a legal issue. End of story.


Ha! Me get an F in a class? Ha! Oh man, that's freakin' hilarious!



waaaaaaaaaaaaaa! I have two mommies!! waaaaaa!
Twinkle Toes
12:20:06 PM
8/16/05

sounds more like Jerry Springer than Judge Judy to me
wingding0
12:21:27 PM
8/16/05

And Bison - this really isn't doing you any good buddy.

I gave a former GF a VERY expensive sleeping bag of mine to use, "so she wouldn't be cold on her next trip" - and yes I felt stupid for caring like this as about seven hours later she decided she loved me but wasn't "in-love with me."

Never got it back, and damn I loved that thing - I've got a better sleeping bag since.

All you can do is move on.

Never look back.
Y2
12:22:21 PM
8/16/05

Where is Dr. Laura ????

(I'm in the cafeteria at work surfing...)

This thread is more entertaining than watching all the nurses bend over at the salad bar!

Ok, not really.
MDSHiker
1:04:48 PM
8/16/05

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