Dating sucks

“Remember, he is taller than you horizontally.”

“The height thing bothers me. I don't want to tower over him. I'm not very tall myself (5'5")

But it's not the height that I am breaking up over, it's the evilness.... I don't even like him!”

“well not likeing him is prolly a pretty good reason.



JEEZ, I'm gone for a few hours and what the hell happened in here!

The Ithaca trip is looking like it has more potential every day!”

“You should have jumped into the fray today, Roam! We were having a blast. ........Ithaca will be fun.......”

“so i noticed! the one day i'm out of touch all day to!”

“If a woman is of a certain age (older), she will have been brought up to expect the man to pay for dinner.

If I were single, I would have no problem asking for a person that had a good job (& money in the bank), as that is important to me, and I still consider myself a down to earth person.

I have worked for many years, and would want to vacation occasionally, and do other fun things that might require some funds, not necessarily a lot. Even if I paid my own way on vacations, I would need someone that could afford to come along. I'm not going to spend my life sitting in my house, because my partner couldn't save some bucks to do fun things.”

“Lip,

I agree 100%. :-)”

“DHutch, you are so right. Well-rounded is, perhaps, the term I would most use to describe what - I think - most men and women seek. Personally, I think a woman in a dress is uniquely sensuous, sexy, and projects an image to me that I grew up with as a kid. My Mom was fond of wearing a dress, but that was so many years ago...

A love of the outdoors, as well as an appreciation and love of oneself, I think, contributes muchly toward how one is perceived, as well as how a person perceives themselves, as least as far as THIS thread is concerned. Far more to it, as most would agree, but for now, one thing seems certain...

Dating sucks when you're not happy, and it's the greatest feeling on Earth when you ARE!

Still seeking that for myself. Most of us still are.”

“Personally, if I invite a woman to do something with me, I'm expecting to pay. ESPECIALLY on the first dates. If there's a more "relationship" and she's made some plans, its reasonable to share the cost. I guess I'm a little old fashioned though.

But I think it'd be cool to get asked out by a woman every now and then.”

“If a woman is of a certain age (older), she will have been brought up to expect the man to pay for dinner. - lipstick hiker

What age? 60+?
The equal rights struggle of women has been going on for years.
If you demand a man to truly respect you as an equal, pay at least part of your way.

A man of modest means might be able to pay for a few vacations if he wasn't always paying big bucks for a freeloading woman's meals.

In my own case, most women I have dated make far less than I. I expect and don't mind carrying more of the load in this case.
What I object to, is women that can but chose not to "because I'm the girl" and carry none of the load.”

“Darn!!!
I was just given a project for the day, looks like no fun for me on the "dating sucks" thread.
I agree aith all the points made all are valid and make for good discussion.
IMO, I like "well rounded" aspect. I feel I'm very well rounded, open minded, sincere person. If, I found a S.O. with those same qualities I would be very happy. I feel when you finally get to a point where your in love and get maried. It should be a mutaul Respect, Trust & Love. It should not be WORK, It should be FUN :-)”

“I think every relationship should have a good cost allocation plan. :)”

“Oh, and not to open a can of worms here...but birth control can be pretty expensive...and who usually absorbs the cost of that?”

“birth control?
The guy should be buying and using condoms.”

“not to open a can of worms either but if your married you both absorb those cost, if single the woman is because she was probably seeing someone else before you came along. So that benefits her in the long run. Plus no
guarantee that the birth control will work. Then you both could pay in the long run. I know about that part from experience.”

“I always offer to pay my share of meals. Or will grab the ticket and pay for the whole meal on occasion. (hmmmmmmmm... is that what I'm doing wrong?)

I just can't believe that these days women still expect men to pick up so much of the tab. And I'm not a person rolling in money by any means! Am pretty broke.

Also, if things here get too "innuendo-y" and you've all been participating in getting to that point, lets not anybody go away mad. (in disbelief, yeah, maybe... lol... but not mad)”

“I was talking about a woman on BC pills. I agree with SS about the guy supplying the condom.

Of course you can always get fixed then no worries at all”

“The man has no choice if the woman gets 'knocked up'.
Women have choices, men have responsibilities.”

“ya better be using condoms even if ya are "fixed" Ewker.

keep it safe man, keep it safe.”

“"if single the woman is because she was probably seeing someone else before you came along. - Ewker"

Geez Ewker, that sounded darn near like a double standard!

"The man has no choice if the woman gets 'knocked up' - StoveStomper"
I agree that's not fair SS, but the law sees it this way - sex makes babuies, if you have sex, both parties assume the responsibility of the consequences.

Birth control benefits BOTH parties involved, and I would never rely on the other for that. Both parties should be using something as no BC is 100%.”

“that would be "babies" and Roam is right, condoms every time!”

“Yep, twigeater, if you make the babies, care for it.”

“AIDS people! AIDS!”

“SS is right Aids is a factor for using a condom. I just read somewhere that woman have passed the Majority in percentage of HIV infected people.

Ewker,
In a fix you could always use the "dump Truck Method"





Back up and unload :-)”

“Twiggy, after I typed that I did go back and kind of explain.
Didn't mean for it to be a double standard

Most/some women use BC pills. They are already using them for various reasons. I did agree with SS that the guy should supply the condoms. Sometimes the woman tends to have some around just in case the guy doesn't.”

“Yeah, but Ewker, you have to wonder about the ones that have a big cookie jar full of them on the nightstand!”

“StoveStomper, I guess you will always find those woman that will take advantage by picking expensive restaurants, and expensive meals. You could say that person has a right to in a way, but you have the right to not like it and not date that person anymore. A man should never empty his pockets to please his date.

On the other hand, I have had some boyfriends that would go to my apt. after work. Well, now it's dinner time. I've never seen one of them offer to bring over food for me to cook, so I have had to ask for contributions to the meal. I don't necesarily think they were trying to be abusive. MAYBE they just weren't thinking. I have also had to make a point to say not to come over at dinner time everyday, because, "I'm not your wife"! I know they want a good home cooked meal, but I'm not taking on that responsibility every day as a single person.

I'm married, and I do take my husband out to eat on occassion. He likes it and appreciates it.

What age are woman today that were brought up in the "you pay for my dinner" era? I'm 46, and I feel I fit into that category. Yes, I can see what is going on around me, and that maybe some woman are offering to pay, but it's what I'm accustomed to. I didn't expect to do out to dinner all the time or to do things that require much money. Also, men of my era and older, are also accustomed to paying for dinner, and outings. When I was younger, woman didn't have the great paying jobs either.

If I had a great paying job, even though I said what I have, I would be happy to share the wealth and pay for more dinners or a nice weekend getaway.”

“So if we consider the cost of BC and dating separately for a moment:

Ewker, are you suggesting that since a woman probably used BC pills before the new guy came along that she should then be responsible for the cost now? Do you know how much it costs per month when you don't have insurance? Granted, it is much less than a baby. But in my mind, if I'm in an exclusive LTR, perhaps that is a cost that should be shared, especially in a situation where the woman has less expendable cash than the man. A box of condoms costs a pittance comparitively.

A bit of communication between the two of you BEFORE you jump in the sack is crucial.”

“you mean your supposed to TALK first??????















[that's a JOKE] please don't hit me.”

“I once knew a guy who bragged about going to Mardi Gras, picked up a girl in a bar, brought her out to the alley, "did" her, and when he was done, looked at her and spoke the first exchange, "Hi. Nice to meet you."

Did I mention he was a pig? Hmmm, what did that make her?”

“"Yeah, but Ewker, you have to wonder about the ones that have a big cookie jar full of them on the nightstand!"
aero


Sounds like my XGF/GF/XGF/GF?!
She had a box from the ExBF from this past winter in the drawer. She got pissed cause I would check to see if there where any missing. She said I was invasive. Which I did feel that way, and admitted it was wrong. I felt it was disrespectful to me, for her to have them there. She did not agree. Turns out one ended up missing. I questioned it and she got pissed again. It turned out her 13 yo stole one to check it out, I told him he was wrong for taking it, but he was right for telling the truth. But I looked like a complete jerk for questioning it. I had/have a trust issue with her that was very valid from past episodes with her. I should of given her the benefit of the doubt, hence why I'm on the "dating Sucks" thread now....O'well....”

“I've said it before - dating is gooooooooooooddddd :)”

“The man has no choice if the woman gets 'knocked up'.
Women have choices, men have responsibilities."
StoveStomper
09:14:52 AM
06/17/04

SS, the guy has a choice and responsibilities in this matter also. It takes two for that to happen so both parties are equally at fault.

You have to look at each situation and decide what is best for the both of you.

You can ruin both of your lives if you get married just because she got pregnant esp if there was no love there to start with.

I am not saying you should help support the child you brought into the world but you don't have to marry her.”

“And she doesn't have to marry you either! works both ways ya know...”

“Snafu, you have to start going with your gut feeling..when you start to question, get out. Pure and simple. She ended up leaving you right?”

“twiggy, I agree with you. That is why I said you have to do what is best for the both of you


should be shouldn't in earlier post”

“Maybe the problem is having sex before you love and are committed to each other. Just my old-fashioned POV.”

“I would have to say that the last 15 years of marriage has really cut into my dating. I should become a nun…nun at home and nun at the girlfriend’s!”

“If sex were just that, a love between two committed persons, then yes. But sex is so much more these days, at least sex has turned into being more. It is used as entertainment, a profession, a right, a chore, a punishment, etc, etc, etc.”

“Come to think of it, sex was always used in those ways but it just seems with the younger generation, it just started. Sorry. I was wrong. Can I be punished now? After I do my chores, of course. Then how bout a little entertainment? It is my right, ya know!”

“Sex as punishment, hmmm....”

“St. Paul woman bites off man's tongue during kiss

Passion turned to agony early Wednesday morning when a 43-year-old St. Paul woman locked in a kiss with her boyfriend bit off an inch and a half of the man's tongue, according to police.

The woman, who told police that she has been victimized by men in the past, said she became frightened when her 47-year-old boyfriend squeezed her too tightly as they were kissing at her home in St. Paul.

"I guess I bit down too hard," police said the woman told them after the incident.”

“Aero, if your with a woman who has a cookie jar full of condoms the best thing to do is run or get a 2 x 4 tied onto you :)”

“Kind of takes the fun out of it.”

“To refute my good friend, Lips... lol... I, too, am 46. And I believe in paying a good part of the relationship's dating fees. LOL! "Fees." That' it, you shold pay some type of fee to even be allowed on the playing field. LMAO!

And to Twinks, you shuddup there, girl. No one here wants to hear happy dating talk. (Look back to goretexx... nuf said. lol) (Although I do have to say, good for you for now. :-) )”

“"Aero, if your with a woman who has a cookie jar full of condoms the best thing to do is run or get a 2 x 4 tied onto you :)"

Or just stay home with a nice house slipper. Tighter and ya ain't gotta buy it dinner now cuddle afterwards.

Little Andrew Dice Clay: Yo Ma! What're we havin' for dinner?

Ma: Liver.

Little Andrew Dice Clay: Yeah? Well I had it last night. It was great!”

“Ruby, as far as BC pills most women have insurance that pays for part/all of it. Insurance doesn't pay for condoms that I am aware of. If the woman doesn't have insurance she can get them for free through various organizations.

I don't think a guy should have to help pay for her BC pills why they are dating. Tell me why you think he should.

Chances are he is paying for most of the dates anyway.”

“...and what about babysitter fees......
One woman expected me to pay her babysitter for HER kids on a first date.

I ran from that one very fast.”

“AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!

lizs said THE NAME!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;-)”

“SS, I wonder what she would have said if the situation was reversed.”