USA soldiers scum

“CNN) -- In the face of international outrage, President Bush said Friday that he was disgusted by photographs that apparently show American soldiers abusing detainees at a prison outside Baghdad.

"I share a deep disgust that those prisoners were treated the way they were treated," Bush said. "Their treatment does not reflect the nature of the American people. That's not the way we do things in America."



This is a scumbag president. First of all he doesn't consider the acts of US soldiers disgusting until pressure mounts from world outrage. This scumbag president was probably gloating when he first heard about it.”

“CNN) -- Graphic pictures showing the apparent abuse of Iraqi prisoners by U.S. and British soldiers in Iraq have angered Arabs across the world, as well as U.S. and British officials.

The images of U.S. soldiers' actions were first broadcast Wednesday by U.S. TV network CBS and then by Al-Arabiya network, based in the United Arab Emirates, and Qatar-based Al-Jazeera on Friday.

Newspapers across the Arab world ran the photographs of U.S. soldiers humiliating hooded, naked detainees at Abu Ghraib prison on their front pages. Newspapers in Iraq did not carry the photos.

The U.S. military said six soldiers have been charged with criminal offenses for abusing inmates at Abu Ghraib prison, which was infamous under Saddam Hussein's reign.

"It would appear to us that if, in fact, the pictures are what they appear to be, they will face a court of law, a criminal court of law, and they will have to face a judge and a jury for their actions," Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt said.

With Arabs still reeling from the anger caused by the pictures aired initially by CBS, news of photographs showing British soldiers apparently abusing Iraqi prisoners, published in London's Daily Mirror newspaper on Saturday, spread through the Arab world.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/05/01/iraq.prisoner.reax/index.html”

“Sy Hersh has a pretty good piece on how far up the chain of command this likely goes:

http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?040510fa_fact”

“LONDON, England -- A leading human rights group has said graphic pictures shown on TV and in newspapers of alleged abuse of Iraqi prisoners by coalition soldiers are the tip of the iceberg and that it has uncovered widespread torture.

But Nicole Choueiry, Amnesty's Middle East spokeswoman, said the group had detailed "scores" of reports of ill-treatment over the past year but the U.S.-led Coalition Provisional Authority in Iraq had ignored them.

"We have said there are patterns of torture by coalition forces," Choueiry told CNN on Sunday.

"Such despicable acts prove the double standards of America, a country that always preaches about human rights to the rest of the world," said Nasharuddin Isa, secretary general of the fundamentalist Pan-Malaysian Islamic Party, the country's largest opposition political group.

Nasharuddin said the images showed "an unforgivable violation" of the Geneva Conventions, which govern the handling of captives.

"The U.S. and British troops must leave Iraq immediately," Nasharuddin told The Associated Press.

"Their actions have clearly shown the hatred of their countries toward Islamic people. How can they continue to say that their intention all this time has been to liberate the Iraqis?"

"Americans claim that they respect freedom and democracy, but only in their country," Taher, 24, added.

Hussein al-Saeedi, spokesman for Kuwait's al-Salaf radical Islamic group, said the images "make every sensible person doubt all the principles Western democracies are offering" and show the need for an end to the U.S. occupation.

"America justified its invasion of Iraq by saying the country was under a dictatorship. Unfortunately, Americans are now torturing the Iraqi people in the same place Saddam tortured them," he said.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/05/02/iraq.prisoner.reax/index.html”

“Good find, Violin. It is further proof that Bush had no "plan" to liberate the people of Iraq. If there had been any "plan", the soldiers would have had training in Geneva Conventions.

Bush in Iraq was about his vendetta to get the oil and Saddam.”

“http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/05/20/iraq.abuse/index.html

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The CIA is investigating three cases of prisoner deaths during interrogations in Iraq and Afghanistan.

In one of the cases, two pictures surfaced Wednesday that appear to show U.S. soldiers gloating over a corpse.

Spc. Charles Graner of the 372nd Military Police is seen smiling, giving the thumbs up in one picture. In the other, Spc. Sabrina Harmon, a member of the same unit, is in a similar pose.

Nice pictures.”

“SAMARRA, Iraq -- The 19-year-old Iraqi's swimming skills were no match for the Tigris. "Marwan, save me!" Zaidoun Fadel Hassoun screamed to his cousin, himself struggling to stay afloat. The teenager drowned; his cousin made it to shore. "I could hear them laughing," Marwan Fadel Hassoun said, recalling how U.S. soldiers pushed the young men into the river. "They were behaving like they were watching a comedy on stage."

The U.S. military said last week that three soldiers, now back in their base at Fort Carson, Colo., have been charged with involuntary manslaughter in the Jan. 3 drowning of an Iraqi detainee. A fourth soldier faces charges of pushing a second man, who survived, into the same river.

Sometime between Jan. 3 and the discovery of Zaidoun's body on the river bank 13 days later, Zaidoun's mother wrote an open letter addressed to President Bush, British Prime Minister Tony Blair and U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan.

"Any measure you take will not return my son to life. But I, with an overwhelming sense of bereavement, expect you to end the agony of mothers in my country," Widad Mahmoud Nadeem, 40, wrote in the two-page letter.

"We are harvesting misery and unhappiness because of the actions of American soldiers who pay no heed to human life, dignity and the values and traditions of our society," she wrote.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/apmideast_story.asp?category=1107&slug=Iraq%20Death%20on%20the%20Tigris”

“WASHINGTON (AP) -- One of the men who helped put Democrat John Kerry on the defensive over his military record during the Vietnam War is answering questions about his own service during that conflict.

During an Oval Office conversation in 1971, John O'Neill tells President Nixon he was in Cambodia in a swift boat during the war -- a claim that is at odds with O'Neill's recent statements that he wasn't in the country.

"I was in Cambodia, sir. I worked along the border," O'Neill is heard telling Nixon in a conversation that was taped by the former president's secret recording system. The tape is stored at the National Archives in College Park, Maryland.

In an interview Wednesday with The Associated Press, O'Neill did not dispute what he said to Nixon on June 16, 1971, but he insisted he was never actually in Cambodia.

"I think I made it very clear that I was on the border, which is exactly where I was for three months," O'Neill said of the conversation. "I was about 100 yards from Cambodia."

Chad Clanton, a spokesman for Kerry, said the tape "is just the latest in a long line of lies and false statements from a group trying to smear John Kerry's military service. Again, they're being proven liars with their own words. It's time for President Bush to stand up and specifically condemn this smear."

O'Neill has emerged as a leading figure in the attacks on Kerry's war record. He is co-author of "Unfit for Command," which accuses Kerry of exaggerating his military record in Vietnam. O'Neill is also a member of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, a group that has aired two television commercials harshly critical of the Democratic presidential nominee.

O'Neill served in Vietnam from 1969-70 and took command of Kerry's swift boat after the future Massachusetts senator returned home from the war.

In the book, O'Neill wrote that Kerry's accounts of having been in Cambodia on Christmas Eve 1968 "are complete lies."

He wrote that "Kerry was never ordered into Cambodia by anyone and would have been court-martialed had he gone there." O'Neill added that the Navy positioned its own craft along the border area to make sure no American vessels strayed across the border from Vietnam.

In an interview this week on ABC's "This Week," O'Neill said: "Our boats didn't go north of, only slightly north of Sedek," which he said was about 50 miles from the Cambodian border.

During his AP interview, O'Neill criticized Kerry for making claims, including in the Senate, that he was in Cambodia as part of a secret war authorized by Nixon.

Said O'Neill: "I don't think I ever stated in the Senate that I was on an illegal expedition to Cambodia, or wrote article after article, or wrote 51 different things" like Kerry.

Kerry has defended his war record, though his campaign has acknowledged that he may not have crossed into Cambodia on December 24, 1968, as he previously has stated.

"They were in a firefight, so that's why it sticks out in his mind. They were on the border. There were no clear markings of which side of the border they were on, so it's uncertain," said campaign spokesman Michael Meehan.

Meehan said Kerry recalls being in Cambodia at some point during his Vietnam service. "He specifically remembers being in Cambodia giving Special [Operations] guys a ride well into Cambodia."

For his part, Kerry has accused the swift boat group of being a "front group" that is doing Bush's dirty work.

The Bush campaign denies any involvement with Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/08/26/swift.boat.author.ap/index.html

This is at least the second of these so called swift boat veterans for truth caught in a lie. These Bush stooges are a disgrace to all veterans.”

“And a presidential candidate, with a 30 year senatorial record so abysmally bad that he won't even mention it, running on 4 months of service 3 decades ago is not a disgrace to the party and people he proposes to represent?”

“TDale - Nice spin but it doesn't really align with reality:



Facts On John Kerry's Legislative Record
John Kerry’s Record On Americans with Disabilities Issues
Setting the Record Straight on John Kerry's Defense Record
Kerry's Record on Intelligence Budget
John Kerry’s Housing Record
John Kerry: A Leader in Health Care



Now we all know why Bush is happy to distract attention from his own dismal failures of the last 3.5 years, but just as their respective records during Viet Nam reveal Bush as a moral midget, their records during their public careers shows why Bush is the #1 result for a google search of “miserable failure”.”

“OREGON CITY, Ore. -- A prosecutor who called John Kerry a liar in a political commercial has acknowledged that he lied about an extramarital affair with a secretary.
The Clackamas County District Attorney's Office placed Alfred French (pictured) on a 30-day paid leave while it conducts an investigation, The Oregonian reported Friday.

French, one of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, has faced scrutiny since the anti-Kerry ad became an issue in the presidential campaign.

French said in the ad and swore in an affidavit, "I served with John Kerry. ... He is lying about his record." French subsequently acknowledged he relied on the accounts of his friends and did not witness Kerry in combat.

Since then, he's faced pickets outside his office and complaints of unethical conduct to the state bar.

French's former boss, James O'Leary, said he asked French about the rumored affair about 10 years ago, but French denied it. O'Leary said he would have fired French if he'd admitted the relationship because it violated office policy.

French, 58, admitted to The Oregonian that he had the affair and denied it to O'Leary.

http://www.koin.com/news/headlines.asp?RECORD_KEY[headlines]=ID&ID%5Bheadlines%5D=646”

“Republican scum.”

“Having an affair and denying it. Hmmm, seems we've heard that story before. I thought it made you a hero............”

“An affair is a resume enhancer for Democrats. For Republicans, it's terrible and cannot be tolerated. Who says we have a double standard?”

“Questions About Bush's Guard Service Unanswered




By Dave Moniz and Jim Drinkard / USA TODAY

WASHINGTON - At a time when Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry has come under fire from a group of retired naval officers who say he lied about his combat record in Vietnam, questions about President Bush's 1968-73 stint in the Texas Air National Guard remain unresolved: (Related item: Bush urges end to TV attack ads by outside groups)

Some of the documents about President Bush's military service documents still have not been made public.

• Why did Bush, described by some of his fellow officers as a talented and enthusiastic pilot, stop flying fighter jets in the spring of 1972 and fail to take an annual physical exam required of all pilots?

• What explains the apparent gap in the president's Guard service in 1972-73, a period when commanders in Texas and Alabama say they never saw him report for duty and records show no pay to Bush when he was supposed to be on duty in Alabama?

• Did Bush receive preferential treatment in getting into the Guard and securing a coveted pilot slot despite poor qualifying scores and arrests, but no convictions, for stealing a Christmas wreath and rowdiness at a football game during his college years?

The White House has released hundreds of pages of records, but the files released so far haven't answered those questions. Since the documents were released in February, at least a half-dozen news organizations, including USA TODAY, have filed new requests for Bush's military records under the Freedom of Information Act.

In an e-mail to USA TODAY last week, presidential spokesman Dan Bartlett said: "The president has authorized the release of his records and we are complying with all requests. Some are taking longer than others, but all will be addressed."

Past military service and qualifications to be commander in chief have become a central theme in the 2004 presidential campaign.

Questions about Bush's record predate the current campaign. The apparent gap in his Guard service first surfaced before the 2000 election, when The Boston Globe reported that Texas Guard commanders were unable to account for Bush's whereabouts from May 1972 to April 1973.

Bush has not said what he did in the Guard during that period. Aside from a statement by a former Alabama Air Guard officer who said he saw Bush report for duty there in the fall of 1972, the only evidence he was at Dannelly Air National Guard Base in Alabama was a record of a dental exam on Jan. 6, 1973, at the base.

Bush said in a TV interview in February that he would make all his military records available. That month, the White House released more than 400 pages of Bush military records, including some duplicates, and said the documents were a complete catalog of his personnel files.

But some documents still have not been made public. The White House did not release Bush's medical records from his Guard files but allowed a group of reporters who cover the White House to review them for 20 minutes. They found nothing unusual. Kerry released some of his military records earlier this year. He has also declined to release his complete medical records but showed them to reporters as Bush did.

Since February, the White House has banned all Guard and military commanders outside the Pentagon from commenting on Bush's records or service. Requests for information must go to the Pentagon's Freedom of Information Act office.

The Pentagon last week responded to a 4-month-old request from USA TODAY for additional records from Bush's files by sending another copy of documents that were released by the White House in February. The documents do not address the unexplained year in Bush's Guard service or his decision to stop flying.

The Associated Press filed a lawsuit this summer requesting copies of Bush's military records stored in a Texas archive on microfilm. It sought information that might explain why Bush did not take his flight physical and whether he showed up for duty in Alabama in the fall of 1972, AP spokesman John Stokes said.”

“These guys screwed up - got arrested and jailed - and made up some BS story to cover their butts.

Bottom line - They're lying.

How else were they going to explain to their boss and families why they were imprisoned?

It's a copout. A way to divert attention from the fact that they were out of line firing at US forces.

They even contradict themselves in this little article! Their pres. said it was a warning shot, but when initially asked, they contractor said "it wasn't us" referring to a shooting incident. Which was it?

Liars.

PS - Any #&%!$ trying to denigrate the image of the US solidiers with such little evidence is obviously desparate and seriously scum themselves. I'd be very interested in knowing why anybody would want to start stuff on this thread.”

“USA - I just read the other posts on this thread.

What the #&%!$ is your problem anyways?

Anybody met this guy in real life? Is he always an #&%!$ or just on here?”

“#&%!$ing #&%!$ troll”

“ah i see sarge has been initiated into the filthy ways of the troll known as USA. put him on ignore, it will do your blood pressure good.”

“thanks for the tip!

honestly (and this is for future and past reference too) these #&%!$ing #&%!$ trolls don't get me wired up like it would seem. I just like to call 'em as I see them. If you really want to know what I'm thinking, it would be more along the lines of (and I'm serious here) "That poor soul. Obviously he (hypothetical person) wasn't loved by his mom, and probably a little too loved by his daddy. Somebody needs to let this lost soul know that that behaviour is unacceptable. He's probably too much of a wuss to say stuff like that in real life to somebody's face, so he'll never really know that it's not acceptable unless somebody tells him on here. (not in a citizen rights sense, but more of a civilized sense)"”

“everybody on the left and right has yelled at this guy. the right cuz they dont like what he says, the left because he makes them look bad.”

“I know how he feels! LOL”

“of course, theres always the possibility hes some right-wingers troll out to make liberals look bad by posting in an inflammatory style.

just like even a stopped clock is right twice a day, even USA has some valid criticisms of particular policies or persons every once in awhile, but then expands it so that its a condemnation of an entire party (republican) or country (USA, how ironic)”

“It's not me. I've only been woundedkneePA, until I discovered there was another woundedknee, sarge, and KitT24. (oops, did I say that out loud??) Yes, I made the mullet willie.”

“I've made it a habit not to post to one of these threads, unless its already in the list of 10 most recent posters (after all, postin just sends the thread title up to the top of the screen). And usually, I try to resist that temptation.

USA has posted under a few names and once seemed to be fairly responsible in board posting ettiquette (even if USA's views were extreme) and was roundly and soundly jumped on and abused, and since then has basically seemed to troll and tick people off. USA's pictures indicate that USA is probably a serious hiker and backpacker. USA seems to be the same person who has posted as "thebackpacker" and as "Spock."
last edited: 6/12/05 5:49:48 PM”

“For a long time I was of the false opinion that violin was USA.
I have the same conclusion as pedx, he appears to be a real person out CA way. Very extreme Left.
Just ignore him.”

“Somehow I almost always find myself agreeing with USA's posts even if I never say anything. :) There is nothing wrong wioth being an extreme lefty...heck, its much better then being a righty!
last edited: 6/12/05 6:07:44 PM”

“Spirit - IMO I don't think you fully grasp what USA does, the caliber of people he "dissis" who risk their lives for people like him who have no idea what the word freedom means.

Looks like USA might have some military background, but believe me, there is a broad range of "military experience" to be had, and you can serve time without understanding the military and/or freedom any better than someone who has never been in. Looks like he's one of them.

I'd encourage you to try to understand that there is a lot that goes on that you'll never know about so that you can have a mini-fridge, a couple PCs, and a microwave while you're "working". USA probably knows that to some extent, but does not respect that.
last edited: 6/12/05 7:11:21 PM”

“So....your saying its ok for some idiot soilder to rape folks just so long as I get a microwave?


SC is now VERY confused”

“What the hell are you talking about Spirit?

Yes, you sound seriously confused.”

“I am talking about the link :P”

“Never mind spirit.

I see that you spent all of 3 minutes to "consider what goes on".

I see that you don't take this seriously.

Later.”

“Spirit - USA is trying to link this losers rape with the military.

Do you think that his raping anybody has anything to do with the military?”

“well...I have heard a lot about soilders coming home and murdering family members...as far as I see, soilders are tought to kill. That is their job..no big surprise it comes back home with them perhaps its kharma-.
last edited: 6/12/05 7:21:20 PM”

“Spirit - How many have you heard of doing that since this war began, and why did you change the subject?”

“Who's changing the subject? Rapeing, murder...its all violence stemmed from military training. As far as numbers, I havent done a search, and I havent watched the news (or any tv) for two years. But I recall hearing about soilders coming home and having difficulty readjusting...just like with any war, and some deal with readjusting violently.”

“now excuse me, I must get a burn cart ready for an incoming patient. latters”

“Who's changing the subject?

You did. You wanted to talk about the article. It talks about rape.

its all violence stemmed from military training

This makes me think you have absolutely no clue whatsoever on this subject.

But I recall hearing about soilders coming home and having difficulty readjusting...just like with any war, and some deal with readjusting violently.

Did you put any thought when you saw those reports about context? Did you think about postal workers and wal-mart white trash that does the same thing? Did you compare any numbers statistically, or just accept Peter Jenning's word for things?

Let me ask you one more time, "Do you think that his raping anybody has anything to do with the military?" in the context of this article? Are you going to let the actions of that one fat lard reflect on the military just because he points his finger at the military when he gets caught?”

“You want to see a burn victim who lost his life so that you could not be shot for accusing rapists of being brainwashed by the military?

No, you don't. You never seen a burn victim.

If you and enough people keep trying to tear down those people, you just might see one someday in your backyard.

Get some perspective in your life.

USA dosn't bother me because I know he's just an ass hole, but it's people like you who choose to hate anything that doesn't remind you of purple unicorns and care-bears that piss me off. You complain about things you know nothing about because it makes you feel like you have a purpose. You know I'm right. It makes you feel like you're fighting for something, a cause, anything, as long as it is surrounded by the words "love" and "peace".

The problem is you don't know what peace is. Peace is a happy place baricaded from evil.

You buddhist wanna-bes are such a contradiction.

You say there must be good and evil, but you fail to acknowledge the character of evil because you think if you only stare at the yang you'll never see the yin. Out of sight, out of mind.

That's fine. I've got no problem with that. But to bust on the people who you refuse to understand, who live their lives for the sole purpose that you can live yours is immature, discusting, and the worse evil that I can imagine.”

“I've got to go work out again before I bust a vein. I'm going to be thinking of you and the care-bear on your computer monitor. This is going to be a good workout.”

“I'm just saying violence spawns violence. To me, war in the middle east is pointless and ruins lives beyond counting. Killing 1000's of them isnt going to solve the problem. Instead why dont we protect our borders? Why are we cutting funds to firefighters and police? why are we cutting funds for education? hmm? We could very well protect our own borders without sending thousands of people off to die in a fruitless war. In a few years where will we be with this war? Still nowhere. Violence is a vicious circle no matter how big the problem- it is no surprise soilders accustumed to violence- tought to be violent (or in anyone in other situations like domestic abuse) learn to be violent and to react with anger- as you have shown by calling me evil for my veiws.
last edited: 6/12/05 8:46:55 PM”

“I wasn't going to post here again, but since its back at the top of the page anyway, I will.

I think it is a far cry from saying that violence breeds violence, or that military training sometimes fosters violence, or that military conflict can spur dehumanization of the enemy, and attacking all military personel.

Spirit: I think it took guts to state your opinion here. However, look at the thread title. Its not making a subtle argument about war and combat training or experience of trauma and subsequent violence.

Sarge: Given your screen name, you might want to calm down a bit. You are playing into USA's hands, and someone might think you are making his case for him.
last edited: 6/12/05 8:59:08 PM”

“by all means, dont bust a vein over an oppinion.

You just don't get it. I didn't bust a vein over you having an opinion.

I'm just saying violence spawns violence.

Spirit - If people are hell bent on killing you like many people are (yes, there are people who want to kill you), talking to them over tea isn't going to work. You are oversimplifying a very complex issue. It sounds prophetic to say crap like "violence spawns violence", and I understand in many situations that's very true, but that's not always the case, and there are many people out there who are keenly aware of certain situations where tea and crimpetts just don't work.

To me, war in the middle east is pointless and ruins lives beyond counting. Killing 1000's of them isnt going to solve the problem.

see above

Instead why dont we protect our borders?

Although you won't see it on Peter Jenning's show, we have done quite a lot in recent years to protect the borders. A lot you've heard about, a lot you haven't. Research it (honest attempt) and you'll see more has been done than you realize, and that just touches the surface of what has been done.

Why are we cutting funds to firefighters and police?

Ask your local township staff. This has nothing to do with soldier's killing and raping people coming home from war.

why are we cutting funds for education? hmm?

I live in PA. If you account for standard of living PA is one of the biggest spenders of money on education, yet has one of the worse results (44 I think) of any other state. Spending money does not improve grades. That's a proven statistical fact. Look it up.

We could very well protect our own borders without sending thousands of people off to die in a fruitless war.

It's not that simple Spirit. Let me put it another way. After Clinton spent 8 years diminishing our intelligence, and the 9/11 happened 8 months after Bush took office, the dems took great pride in blaming Bush for not having good enough national intelligence. They weren't blaming Bush for not having armed guards on the airplanes. Military Intelligence takes a lot. It takes all kinds of methods to collect it. We're not going to find out who is trying to attack us and how to stop them by standing guard on our borders.

In a few years where will we be with this war? Still nowhere. Violence is a vicious circle no matter how big the problem- it is no surprise soilders accustumed to violence- tought to be violent (or in anyone in other situations like domestic abuse) learn to be violent and to react with anger- as you have shown by calling me evil for my veiws.

First of all, I didn't call you evil for your views. I called "busting on people who you refuse to understand, who live their lives for the sole purpose that you can live yours is immature, discusting, and the worse evil that I can imagine."

Second of all, you have never even attempted to put in context the magnitude of soldier after war violence in relation to the general population.

Third, you obviously have some deep personal issues where you find it convenient to blame people you do not know for whatever happened to you that day. Get over it.

Fourth, you are a hypocrite. You bust on soldiers like it's free cotton candy, then you call me violent and angry for calling you "evil for your veiws(sic)".

hypocrite

PS - Why is it that the "peace-nics" are the first to get angry and violent in a confrontation? I've witnessed this countless times, and it always brings a smile to my face. Something about reality that I really enjoy.”

“pedx - Since when am I concerned about what people "think"? I'm only concerned about reality.

Clinton's reign is over and not everybody takes action based on popularity polls.

Speaking of that, why didn't we just put a robot in his place. Take a poll, take action based on that.

What to name the dog?
Where to go on vacation?
Should we bomb an aspirin factory instead of taking Osama?
etc. etc.
last edited: 6/12/05 9:15:47 PM”

“http://www.drudgereport.com/flash3ek.htm

What do you think Spirit? You going to stick up for this scum? or are you going to blame his military experience?”

“First of all, I didn't call you evil for your views. I called "busting on people who you refuse to understand, who live their lives for the sole purpose that you can live yours is immature, discusting, and the worse evil that I can imagine."

Since when did I bust on people? I am saying violence is the buster here. Military training, war...not once did I bust on a specific person.


Third, you obviously have some deep personal issues where you find it convenient to blame people you do not know for whatever happened to you that day. Get over it.

You know nothing about me. My only issue here is the fruitlessness of violence.

Fourth, you are a hypocrite. You bust on soldiers like it's free cotton candy, then you call me violent and angry for calling you "evil for your veiws(sic)".

How often have I posted anything against soilders? Hypocrite? For what? I practice peace. Ask anyone who knows me. I do what I can for fellow people- no matter the race, age, religion, country of origin, gender. Why is it when someone disagrees with you they jump the guns and immedeatly label someone a hipocrite- even without knowing them? Funny that.

PS - Why is it that the "peace-nics" are the first to get angry and violent in a confrontation?

I have yet to get angry.”

“sarge, that link, that book sounds like tripe to me”

“Since when did I bust on people?

The military is made up of people. (another thing you don't seem to comprehend)

You know nothing about me.

Oh, ok. We'll pretend like I'm wrong for sake of discussion.

How often have I posted anything against soilders?

That's what this thread is about! Maybe you should read pedx'ings post if you don't believe me.

Why is it when someone disagrees with you they jump the guns and immedeatly label someone a hipocrite- even without knowing them?

I know (1) you busted on soldiers and (2) you blamed me for doing the same thing to you in response, (3) that's hypocricy, which (4) makes you a hypocrite. And guess what, I don't have to know you personally because I just read it.

I have yet to get angry.

Again, a hypocrite. You claim I'm angry for my words, yet your angry words against the people of the military is ok?

hypocrite x2”