USA soldiers scum

“Many were angry over Wednesday's accident, in which a U.S. fighter mistakenly dropped a 500-pound bomb on Canadian troops during a training exercise, killing four and wounding eight others.

Media in Canada have complained that President Bush did not show enough public regret for the tragedy. The president made five public appearances Thursday without making reference to the incident. "I wish we could bring them back," Bush said Friday. "But we can't."

Canada's deputy prime minister, John Manley, said Canadians would have appreciated an earlier public statement by Bush.

The fatalities were Canada's first combat deaths since the Korean war.

Canadian Defense Minister Art Eggleton said a Canadian board of inquiry will meet Monday and present an interim report on the bombing within three weeks.

Canadians, meanwhile, continued to question their role in the U.S.-led war in Afghanistan, where their troops are fighting alongside U.S. and European soldiers.

"I am angry," said Marie Blosh, in front of Toronto's war memorial, where four fresh daffodils had been laid at the base. Bush is "charging ahead like some kind of lone cowboy and expecting everyone to follow along," she said.

I agree, Marie, Bush is the devil.”

“WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Attorneys for John Walker Lindh are expected to renew their request for photographs and videotapes of their client after the Pentagon said Friday it found more photos of a blindfolded and shackled Walker Lindh with U.S. Special Forces in Afghanistan.

Walker Lindh is one of two Americans captured by the United States and held with others suspected of fighting on behalf of the ousted Taliban regime.

The pictures of Lindh appear to be souvenir photographs. One official who has seen the images told CNN on Friday that Special Forces troops are shown "posing" with their prisoner. Another source familiar with the photographs said a profanity is written across Walker Lindh's blindfold.

The Geneva Convention prohibits activities that might humiliate prisoners.

"There is nothing sinister here. It's just plain stupid what they did," a senior defense official said. One source said the matter "will be looked at," but Defense Secretary Rumsfeld told reporters he has not ordered an investigation. He also said he has not seen the images.”

“KANDAHAR, Afghanistan (CNN) -- A U.S. fighter pilot involved in a "friendly fire" incident that killed four Canadian soldiers in Afghanistan dropped a laser-guided bomb after his commanders denied permission to do so, U.S. officials said Thursday.

The pilot was only following the BUSH Doctrine: kill and don't ask worry about it because 9/11 justifies killing anything and everything.”

“F off, jerk.”

“Up yours!”

“Who cares about Johnny bin Walker? He's a traitor anyway. As for the blindfold and shackles. Ask Michael Spann's family what can happen if you don't keep this scum under restraint at all times. Besides they are not POWs. They Don't qualify under the rules of the Geneva Convention.”

“Hey gde:

Why don't you knock off this childish and immature fetish you have and seek some professional assistance.”

“America: Love it or leave it.

Pack your bags, GDE.”

“damn it arrex, you should have let him be the only one posting to his own thread.”

“Yeah, you're right deathmarch.. probably better to ignore GDE for now on.. He's a waste of time.”

“AS always ,concerning war,both sides are right and both are wrong.Your discussion is a war,thus you are warriors,and.................boom!”

“GDE, f you dude!!”

“Please disregard former remark.”

“Fellas, fellas, fellas. As tempting as it is to respond to this nitwit in some form or other, if we just ingnore his inane babblings, he'll probably just go away. Deathmarch is right on on this one.”

“But Father Goose, I enjoy trying to provide links which are illuminating in response to his blather.”

“I think most people in Canada here are saddened by this accident...but we understand that things can go wrong in a war, or during a training exercise.

On the streets, there's no harsh language directed towards the U.S.”

“Well said, Pathman. Now, if we could just get this little kid who calls himself GDE to try to educate himself...

Thank you, Stanlee for your illuminating thread. It is a comfort to know that the average
Canadian understands what happened and that you don't judge all Americans harshly for this tragic accident. I think I can safely speak for all Americans when I say that we are deeply saddened by what happened and that our hearts go out to our Canadian brothers and sisters.”

“The "message to the troops" link above is to the Canadian forces.”

“Now, if we could just get this little kid who calls himself GDE to try to educate himself...

Don't hold your breath.”

“GDE, an easy reason for bush not to make a public speach about this stuff if because he will lose support of the public, and with puff-dashel (tom Dashel) hounding him, he will never acomplish any thing.”

“GDE is just one more puzzy, akin to that dique head Alek Baldwin, Babs Strisand, and the rest of the naysayers who b!tch and whine and threaten to leave but they never do. If ya don't like the way we do it fuqu off and go elsewhere. If ya don't want troops to get killed (accidently or otherwise) keep 'em at home.

As a matter of facts just fukk off in general...puzzy.”

“while there in nothing "unpatriotic" about me, and I have served in uniform (albeit in peace time in the Reserves), I totally disagree with the "love it or leave it" philosophy. Don't you think there is a reason that the right to free speech was the First Article in the Bill of Rights?”

“To an extent, but if the center of one's belief is total disgust with America and the way it works, then I think that person should just leave. Save everyone a lot of headache.”

“Chili, I have no problem with honest disagreement with the powers that be or with the American way. It’s the whiners that cry and moan and do nothing that piss me off. I at least respect Alex Baldwin for getting involved for what he believes in. I doubt even a putz like him would hide his ideas behind some made up name and express them for no other reason than craving attention because his momma didn’t hug him enough and his daddy hugged him too much. The right to free speech is also the same right that allows me to call GDE a puzzy and to find a better place to live if he doesn’t like it. I was stating my opinion, not gospel.

As Arc kind of pointed out people like GDE throw the baby out with the bathwater by thinking that anything we (USA) do MUST be the wrong way. So they run off at the mouth about how evil America is and this and that…people like that are a drain on society. Like I said before, if ya don’t like it, sell all yer stuff, buy a plane ticket, eat my a@@ and balls and leave. Just MHO.”

“What is gde's problem? That boy has no shame.... Why does he keep on keepen on?”

“nigal, well said.”

“GBE, have you stopped to realize that there were canadian citizens who died in the attacks on 9-11? Did they deserve it? you must think that all the Americans who died had it coming, because you have no sympathy or sorrow for them or their families. How many orphans were created that day? Do you even care? Even if you believe America is BAD , is slaughtering civilians justifyable? Is there anything that would warrant a military response from our government? What if they killed 10,000 civilians? ok, how bout 100,000? Would that be enough? 1,000,000?? What you won't hear from yer pals in the mainstream media is that they(bin laden & co) hate us because they think we are weak....that we wont respond to attacks. DOnt' you realize that if they could, they would push a button & destroy you & yer family & yer friends & yer heros & yer co-workers & all of us? Why dont we just help them & all kill ourselves? Are you the only one who knows the truth? At what point did you decide that you hate yer country? I'm sure you take advantage of all the things here, that only free countries have. You could always go join the Taliban, or Hesbilah, or the PLO. Maybe you would be more at peace with yerself then. You could make a REAl difference in the world. Yer not going to convince anyone in here of anything by using propaganda except that liberals FEEl, & don't THINK. Try a little logic, it'll go alot further than WAH...NO FAIR....AMERICA HAS BIGGER GUNS...THEIR A BUINCH OF MEANIES”

“Ditto!

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Just by useing american curancy it shows that you support the US, if you don't support USA then tear up all your bills, or give them to me, because that would mean that you have no faith in our government. To coinside with that, all currancy is based on the faith of the beholder.

GDE, give me all your money! if you really hate America.”

“GDE must be a graduate of the Beavis and Butthead School of political philosophy.”

“Gentlemen;
Haven't you realized by now that this little putz that calls himself G.D.E. is about a 15 year-old kid from an upper middle class, hyper-liberal family who's parents can't stand the idea tha Algore really lost the election? His parents are educated, white collar professionals who leave their little darling to his own devices during the day. He has no guidance(his parents have instilled in him the notion that he is superior to the great unwashed masses) and has never had to make a critical decision in his life. He is too young to understand that the mainstream media has an "agenda" and that they don't report facts, they simply state their viewpoint. He hasn't learned to do his own research, he simply parrots what he has been told, heard or read in the newspaper. And you're lettin'this little meatbeater jerk your collective chain(mea culpa)! It's not his fault; he simply can't help himself. Blame the parents.
By the by, thebackpacker is either a close relative, friend, or his alternate personality.”

“GDE is absolutely right on this one. Just think of the advantages of living with the holier-than-thou Taliban instead of the evil USA:

No premarital sex.
No booze.
No bars.
No television.
No organized sports, stadiums or tailgate parties. Hell, no tailgates.
No Hooters.
No meat from a pig.
Your bride is picked by someone else.
Sand everywhere and not a dune buggy in sight.
Ever try to fish at an oasis?
Eating only with your right hand cause you wipe your butt only with your left. Like life isn't complicated enough already.
No music.
No radio.
You can't shave.
You can't shower.
Bar-B-Q donkey cooked over burning camel dung.
Rags for clothes and hats.
The chicks all wear baggy dresses and veils...at all times.

Go for it, genius.”

“Keep this crap off the board, troll. It doesn't have jack to do with backpacking.”

“The USA is evil as hell... AKA the Great Satan. I pray for the destruction of Israel and the USA. I pray that all Americans are tortured someday the same way the scumbag soldiers tortured John Walker. A I pray that all you scumbag Americans are tortured, and killed and mutilated like the pigs you eat. Americans are pig scum.”

“I think a U.S.A hater just signed in.”

“...Iraqis were jubilant. "The Americans are pigs. We will hold a celebration because this helicopter went down -- a big celebration," said wheat farmer Saadoun Jaralla near the crash site. "The Americans are enemies of mankind."

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=3738273”

“"In a long, hard war, we're going to have tragic days, as this is," Rumsfeld told ABC's "This Week." "But they're necessary. They're part of a war that's difficult and complicated."

Rumsfeld said portable surface-to-air missiles "are widely available and do have the ability to shoot down a helicopter, and from time to time, this happens."

The White House said it mourned the deaths of the 17 soldiers and two civilians but that American resolve was unshakable.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/11/02/sprj.irq.main/index.html

Didn't Bush say the war was over, yet here we have Rummy calling it a war.”

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“By Jay Shaft, Coalition For Free Thought In Media[CFTM] - I had the unique opportunity to interview five US military servicemen who just got back from Iraq, or in the case of two men, corresponded with their wives so that I could ask questions of these soldiers by mail.
When the two I corresponded with came back just last week, I was able to complete the interviews I started several months ago with some new details on how the war is actually going.

I was shocked and angered when I found out how many of the service men hate being in Iraq and want nothing to do with rebuilding and policing the devastated nation.

From the conversations I had, many soldiers never wanted to go over to Iraq and fight, and the ones who had were now convinced of the awful crime that had been committed against Iraq and our own troops.

I was told very few soldiers now believe in staying in Iraq, or want to stay in the country and serve any more days.

The following interview was with an enlisted man, but someone very high up in the enlisted ranks, with over 20 years of military service.

I have promised not to reveal his identity for reasons that he has a family and has been told not to speak to journalists.

He told me the Army had put a gag order on him while he was home, and told him they would give him twenty years in prison if he spoke out in any manner against the US or the government.

I took several weeks to finish this interview because of not being able to safely be seen with this individual out of his fears of being caught speaking out.

He asked me to call him USA in all the transcripts of these interviews. I have followed his wishes and tried to write what he said in the manner it was said so as not to lose any impact.

At times the interview was very rough and the grammar is not perfect, but I tried to write this in his voice so that he can tell the world how bad it is in Iraq. I truly want you to feel what he has experienced in some way if possible.

CFTM-- “How are you today? Resting I hope?”

USA-- “Can’t sleep for #&%!$ and I have horrible nightmares when I do sleep. I might be lucky to catch an hour at a time before the nightmares wake me up. I slept easier in the combat then now that I’m away from there.

"Most awful place I’ve ever been or served duty and I didn’t want to leave my guys. That was the hardest part was leaving the guys I had been leading around and trying to keep out of trouble and alive.”

CFTM--“Did you see a lot of your buddies get killed? How did it affect you?”

USA--“How the hell do you think it affected me? I saw over 30 of the men I had to keep safe die, and over 100 get wounded and not come back. I still don’t know if some of the wounded men made it or not. I was never told before I came back home.”

CFTM-- “So it really was awful and as bad as some returning troops have claimed?”

USA-- “It was like a long trip to hell that you knew you might return from. Of course it is as bad as the soldiers say it is. Hell it’s even worse if the truth has to come out.

"It’s a constant #&%!$ing nightmare trying to figure out where the guerillas are going to hit, how to keep the civilians calm, and also getting enough water and food to eat.

"That is one thing the media never really told the Americans about, how bad it was when our convoys weren’t getting through. We had to go to some Iraqi people and trade socks and underwear for some food and a little water.”

CFTM--“You really did get that desperate because I saw it in the foreign media that the Iraqi civilians had stepped in and fed a whole bunch of troops that had been days without food.”

USA-- -“Yeah, that ain’t no joke about getting help from the civilians right after the invasion. We had a pretty good laugh about that and how the army owed them some money for reimbursement.

"We would not have starved probably, but when we got the food from the people it made sure we could still operate as a functioning unit. It was a near thing that several guys almost died of dehydration because we ran out of clean water for a few days.”

CFTM-- “Just keep going, I want to hear more about the hardships the military and Bush made you go through. I want the American people to know what a nightmare this war has become and what it’s doing to our service men over there.”

USA-- “Okay, well I can #&%!$ about the problems like food being short and water going bad, but I want to tell people about how bad the attacks on US and coalition forces have gotten in the last month.

"In the last two weeks I was there we were attacked at least 20 times a day if you count all the shots we heard from random sniper or opportunity attacks. We were losing at least five men a day to injuries and there was at least one of our unit killed every twenty four hours.”

CFTM--“So you were getting one a day killed and at least five injured? Did you know many of the guys killed?”

USA-- “That’s a real dumb fu..ing question to ask me. You know what my rank is, of course I knew them, I was the head NCO for years in our unit. I knew most of the guys who died and I held a lot of hands as they were dying. You tell me that’s not gonna to give you nightmares!”

“I had one guy tell me all he wanted was to see his little daughter; she was born three days after the war started. He died in the sand holding my hand and crying because his daughter would never know him. Tell me that’s #&%!$ing right. Where was George Bush when this kid was gasping for air and spitting his blood on foreign soil?”

CFTM-- "I talked to you about this the other day. Do you think George Bush is the wrong man to order troops into battle when he ducked it himself?”

USA-- "That #&%!$ went AWOL and never showed up for duty and then he has the nerve to take us into two different wars that will be going on for years. I do not believe he should be president of this country, he’s a complete idiot and he’s controlled by madmen with a drive for only profits and getting oil.”

CFTM-- “I just have to get this straight for the public, you are well educated are you not? I mean you have had years of leadership training and schools right? You sound very well informed and aware of the current lies and manipulations, which I have not found in some other soldiers.”

USA-- “I have a four year degree in the economics field and I am not a soldier all the time. I am Reservist who just keeps getting caught on long duty assignments.

"Believe it or not I read authors like Noam Chomsky, Gore Vidal, and Jim Hightower, and went through three copies of ‘Stupid White Men’ by Michael Moore while I was over there.

"I let people read parts of Mike’s book and they were irate that Bush had screwed us so hard. I had parts of ‘Best Democracy Money Can Buy’ mailed to me because I knew if I had the whole book it would get stolen in a heartbeat.”

CFTM --“So you might be quite a bit more aware and well informed about the real reasons for the war that others did not know. I don’t know of many line soldiers reading Greg Palast or Noam Chomsky.”

USA-- “I guess you’re right and that might be why I am trying to speak out and let the Americans know that they are sending us to be slaughtered.

"If you don’t mind I am going to cut through all the niceties and get down to why I am going against every oath I took and giving you this interview. I am doing it for the guys still over there and for the ones who are going. If I’m not careful I’ll end up back there for another six months.”

CFTM-- “Alright tell me what it was really like and don’t skip the gory details. I want people to be shocked and offended enough to realize why you spoke out and what it is doing to our military by sending them over there with blind flag waving and cheers of false victory”

USA-- “Well the first thing I would like to thank Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Congress for is that nice huge cut they made to Veterans Benefits as soon as the war started.

"I am in the Reserves after years of active duty and now I cannot get PTSD counseling or many medical benefits I used to take for granted. I knew I would have the benefits because I was laying my life down for my country.

"Now my benefits are cut by around 2/3 and I have to go to either group therapy or pay for a private counselor out of my own pocket. What happens when someone like me has been through enormous battle stress and combat fatigue and then comes home to no counseling?”

“I’ll tell you what is going to happen, he will either kill himself or take a bunch of people with him. Some of the guys coming back are going to have gone through the worst time of their lives with their buddies dying and getting hurt, and then they’ll find out they got screwed out of any counseling.

"It is the greatest disservice America is committing against soldiers who fought for this country and may come back wounded or horribly scarred.

"Medical services, school aid to dependents, school aid for the vets, all slashed to the bare bones; mental health and drug and alcohol counseling are being eliminated or the waiting lists will be years long for whatever services manage to survive.”

“That is one thing the American people still have not really caught on to is the fact that while they were screaming out ‘Support Our Troops’ the current regime makers were fu..ing the military and veterans out of almost every social program and non essential service that would make life easier.”

“Bush really #&%!$ed us while we were gone. We found out about after being in the middle of heavy fighting for several weeks. It was one of the first things I read in Stars and Stripes, and I thought it was a joke because it was just to hard to believe Congress and our leaders would screw us that bad while we were fighting and dying.”

CFTM-- “Glad you brought that up about counseling because I wasn’t even aware of it. Are you alright to talk about some of the civilian casualties you witnessed and some of the horrifying images you told me about when we first started talking?”

USA-- “I want to talk about some of the children I saw killed for no reason, maybe it will wake someone up who doesn’t believe it was happening, or that it was very bad.

"I can tell you I will never forget the screams of the wounded or orphaned kids, or the wailing of the parents who lost their kids. The Iraqis and most Muslims have a very vocal way of mourning the dead by lamenting and wailing for the dead.

"There is no mistaking a mother or father crying out in pain for the loss of a child. They don’t cry like that unless there has been a death. Sometimes after a bombing raid or an artillery attack you could here hundreds of people wiling and weeping.”

“I have several grown children with grand kids about the age of most of the dead children I saw in Iraq. I also have several kids who are about half grown and I saw a lot of Iraqi children that age wandering around in charge of three or four little ones because their parents were dead.”

“Let me tell you about the cluster bomb raid we saw wipe out a whole bunch of little kids. It looked like they had already lost their parents and were trying to salvage food from a destroyed Iraqi convoy by the side of the road we were on.

"The kids were way off to the side about half a mile away by then when we got the word that the Iraqi column was going to be hit with cluster bombs and we had to clear the area. We got on the radio and tried to get the air strike stopped but we were told it was too late to get it stopped.”

“We could see the body parts flying up into the air after the bombs hit. It was terrible and we could not do a damn thing but watch it happen and scream into the radio at the dumb sh.t pilot that was dropping the bombs.

"After the strike was over we went to see if there were any survivors and all we found was bits and pieces of little kids and here and there an arm or leg you could still identify.”

CFTM-- “Pretty rough stuff to have to see. Did that kind of thing happen a lot?”

USA-- "More than you can imagine until you’ve seen it over and over again. Man I don’t want to talk about this sh.t anymore. It doesn’t help to talk about it because it just makes me think about it again. I can’t even get any counseling without having to pay for it.”

“Let all those people who support our troops in on that nice surprise that Bush gave us. That’s how much we really mean to Bush, the Department of Defense and all those other stupid #&%!$s who keep saying how good we’re doing over there.

"Let those patriotic morons go and fight and die for our country. Let them leave their families behind for months and maybe come back home in a box. I’ll be the first one to salute them or honor them when they die.”

“It’s just like Nam was in the beginning. I was twelve when my dad got back and I’ll never forget the pain and agony he lived with the rest of his life. Its kind of what I feel now, I suppose.

"I never thought I would ever serve in some stuff that’s so much like Nam it isn’t funny. Now I really see what my pop went through, and if I could I would go back in the past a few months, I would go AWOL or turn conscientious objector on them, but it’s too late for that now.”

“I damn sure will not go back over there even if they throw me in Leavenworth. I never could understand how a guy could be a conscientious objector until what I just went through.

"I wish more guys would stand up and tell Bush and the Pentagon they will not fight their war for oil. We should not have to die for these rich bastards profits and enrichment.”

CFTM--“Thank you for taking the risk and talking to me. I know there will be other soldiers who can’t speak out who will thank you for having the courage.”

USA--“It isn’t about courage it’s a matter of what’s right. This war is killing the poor or middle class American men and women who went in the armed forces to have college or some kind of better future.

"You don’t see the rich kids joining up or any Senator’s kid dying in Iraq. It’s us little guys who are dying over there or getting disabled for life. Where are the leaders that are supposed to be looking out for the little man?

"They are elected to look after out interests not the interests of Cheney and Halliburton, or any of the rest of the fat cats piling up the profits while the blood of our soldiers flows over their hands.”

CFTM-- “Anything else you want to say to America? Any final thoughts or words?”

USA--“Yeah! Wake up America! Your sons and daughters are dying for nothing! This war is not about freedom or stopping terrorism. Bring us home now! We are dying for oil and corporate greed!””

“and greed....and more greed..............and........more.........just pawns....and more greed..........”

“I really think people should read this interview with the American GI.”

“I was in the Army during the 70's. Nothing wrong with serving your country Alaska.”

“Don't feed him, Mamabear. He's a needy kid who gets attention through tantrums.

We ignore him around these parts.”

“alaska has no concept of service.”

“U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld has ordered a 90-day review into allegations of sexual assaults against female soldiers in Iraq and Kuwait. In a memo ordering the review, Rumsfeld wrote: "We are responsible for ensuring that the victims of sexual assault are properly treated." During 2003, the Army had 80 allegations of sexual misconduct among service members, the Air Force seven allegations, the Marine Corps one allegation and the Navy none, according to the Pentagon.








Glad I served honorably in the Navy.”

“TACOMA, Washington (AP) -- An Army sergeant who recently returned from a year in Iraq was charged Thursday with second-degree murder, accused of drowning his wife in a bathtub.

Sgt. James Pitts, 31, of Sheffield Lake, Ohio, pleaded not guilty a day after turning himself in to military authorities at Fort Lewis. Bail was set at $250,000.

A medical examiner said an autopsy on Tara Pitts, 28, showed she had a neck injury consistent with her husband's account of holding her head underwater, Pierce County prosecutor Dawn Farina said. She was found dead Wednesday in her Lakewood apartment.

Tara Pitts earlier this month had obtained a temporary restraining order against her husband.

James Pitts' brother and father said he returned from Iraq a changed man.

"Obviously it [Iraq] did something to him," brother Joshua Pitts told The Associated Press on Thursday from his Sheffield Lake home.

James Pitts, a sergeant first class who operated heavy equipment for the 555th Combat Engineer Group, apparently had an affair while deployed, and his wife reported it to the military and turned over letters from the other woman, his brother said.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/West/04/23/soldier.homicide.ap/index.html

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“(CBS) Last month, the U.S. Army announced 17 soldiers in Iraq, including a brigadier general, had been removed from duty after charges of mistreating Iraqi prisoners.

But the details of what happened have been kept secret, until now.

It turns out photographs surfaced showing American soldiers abusing and humiliating Iraqis being held at a prison near Baghdad. The Army investigated, and issued a scathing report.

Now, an Army general and her command staff may face the end of long military careers. And six soldiers are facing court martial in Iraq -- and possible prison time.
Correspondent Dan Rather talks to one of those soldiers. And, for the first time, 60 Minutes II will show some of the pictures that led to the Army investigation.
According to the U.S. Army, one Iraqi prisoner was told to stand on a box with his head covered, wires attached to his hands. He was told that if he fell off the box, he would be electrocuted.

But the Army investigation found serious problems behind the scenes. The Army has photographs that show a detainee with wires attached to his genitals.”