36CFR 2.22(a)(2) Is This Correct?

“I got a Violation Notice through the mail from my friendly neighborhood Ranger Wilson for the charge...
36CFR 2.22(a)(2)
After some serious digging I came up with this...
2.22 (a)(2) PROPERTY

Visitors on overnight trips in the backcountry may leave their vehicles unattended for the period specified on their backcountry use permit in established roadside pullouts and parking areas.

Is anyone familiar with the CFR regs to know if this means anything OTHER than leaving a vehicle for longer than a specified time??? It mentions the Place Of Offense as a tract of land that had my Furnace Run geocache. The Offense Description says "Leaving property unattended for longer than 24 hours", but doesn't specify the cache. I'll park my vehicle for anywhere from 2-4 hours when I hike there but never for longer than 24 hours.

I also got a "Warning Notice" for another offense, 36CFR 2.1(a)(iii), for Disturbing/Removing Natural Objects (Fossilized Rocks).

I'm such a bad boy!

But I'd still like some imput! Anyone???”

“I also found this...

Leaving property unattended, 2.22(a)(2), $35 fine
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“I'm no lawyer but it’s under the heading 'property'. The regulation spells out what property may be left unattended.

You might also want to review 2.15(a)(1).”

“When we went into the Yellowstone backcountry for a 3 day trip a few weeks ago, we had to stop in at the ranger's office and get a backcountry permit. he gave us a tag to put on the truck dashboard because we were going to be parked for a few days.”

“1.What Park 2. Whats's a Furnace Run Geocache. 3. DID you remove fossils from the park?”

“check out
http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/index.html#page1
If you have the right CFR referance you can find it at this site,”

“For some more cache problems with rangers, this time in a forest preserve, look at the logs for this Chicago cache:

Chicago area cache

There's got to be some happy cache "middle ground" somewhere. What's the solution??”

“I thought you were going to say, "What's the... cache?"”

“Buddur - That second post link is ugly. Where is this that they fine you $50 for use of a surfboard and 25 smackers for spitting? For unlawful sexual activity is 100 bucks. If it unlawful it must be with a minor or involve prostitution. For the first I hope they would do more than fine the SOB. For the second that doesn’t sound like much of a deterrent. What is the fine for picking your nose?”

“$5000 For picking your nose!

8)”

““No Judge, I did not pick my nose. I was born with it.””

“BG”

“Ya got me... How in the heck did they know you removed fosslized rocks?”

“It almost sounds like the ranger wanted to pick on someone!

8)”

“1.What Park 2. Whats's a Furnace Run Geocache. 3. DID you remove fossils from the park?"
Ranger J
02:19:02 PM
04/24/02


1. Cuyahoga Valley National Park, OH
2. The Furnace Run Geocache was an item I placed (about 1.5 years ago) in a remote region, and hidden within a short and small cairn. Ranger Wilson removed the cache on April 7.
3. NO, I did not remove any rocks from the park. Cobble-size glacial erratics, from the rocky Furnace Run stream, were used for the cairn. Some of them were fossiliferous, but as they are erratic and definitly were not insitu or even from the immediate area, I would have never thought of them as having geologic or archeologic significance.”

“Miss behaveing in the woods eh budder.

He should have just given you a slap on the rist!

8)”

“I think you need to take them to court. This is clearly a violation of your redneck rights! Don't forget to tell the judge that you have the geocoordinates to his house.

Do Chili or Steve Hiker have a license to practice law in Ohio?”

“LMFAO!!!!!!

8)”

“Interesting Buddur! I'd never heard of Geocaching before. Hmmm, I admit, kind of weak mailing you a cite. Probably would have been better to attempt to contact you personally and discuss regs and such. You can always fight it.”

“I say fight it!!!!!

Don't take no Shi! dude!!!!

8)”

“You can get fined for making a cairn?

Buddur, sounds like you got a raw deal.”

“We could make it a class action suit. Everyone who logged the cache against the Department of the Interior.

I could call one of George Bush's aides and use my political pressure, but us geocachers need a voice in the courts. Give 'em hell Buddur!”

“'but as they are erratic and definitly were not insitu or even from the immediate area, I would have never thought of them as having geologic or archeologic significance'

Are you a geologist?”

“ROTFLMAO

This is funny”

“that they work for you. You pay their wages with your taxes.

It never works for me.”

“Good point!!!!

8)”

“Fight it!

Johnny Cochran may be available for your defense attorney.

Use Kenneth Lay as a character witness.”

“How did he get your name and address? How did he know you left whatever her removed? Does the park service feel this is a good p.r. for a gov't agency in desperate need of money and public support?”

“LMFAO Gordon!!!!

8)”

“Buddur? Did you give him your name and address and him you built that cairn?

Sheesh, even the best defense lawyer can't get someone off who is self-incriminating. Next time plead the 5th man! Don't answer any questions without your lawyer.”

“I know in Hoosier National Forest they will give you a $10 ticket if you park outside the trailhead!

8)”

“no kidding $10, that's a pretty hefty fine”

“Right Buddur? $10, that's terrible”

“Cheif--

Rangers pay taxes too -- probably why that point never works.”

“Law enforcement and government agencies can easily obtain your real name and address from an email address.”

“Sounds like it may be time to steal the Governments official geocache, Buddur and send them a ticket!”

“I'm just going to pay the $50 and forget about it. Frankly, I hike the place so much, it's practically paying dues.”

“What a wimp.

All this whining and now you just cave? What about the cost to the rest of us? You been sobbing in our ears for weeks. Why didn't you just pay it to begin with and save us the grief?”

“Bacpac is right.













Haaaaaaa! had you goin!”

“Did I mention that I have 21 days to pay my fine... And that the fine date says April 7th, but the postmark of the envelope says April 22, which means I really only have a few more days to pay the fine (which equalled a week from the time I received the notice).

Did I mention that Ranger Michael J. Wilson (CVNP#315) is a F'in Ba$turd!!!”

“save the envelope dude, most people will accept it as a proof of delivery date in case you cant get the payment in on time.”

“I can't believe this Ranger hasn't anything better to do than follow a lame a$$ (no offense, lol) geocacher around and then go dig it up & THEN go write you up. Sounds like a vast left-wing conspiracy to me. First the SUV's, now this! Tell him Janet Reno's been replaced. I bet he thougt you might have had a little garden growin. When they see a vehicle out inna place like that, over & over, they revert to reefer madness mode.”