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Bias, by Bernard Goldberg:

I'm half way through it and I'm enjoying this piece. I have found it to be fair. Goldberg, talks mostly about how he has seen reporters tilt the news the way the want to, epecialy Dan Rather "The Dan", Jennings, and Brokaw. I would advise this book to any one who cares about what is going on in this world. If you do not want to be knowlagable to what is going on in your world.

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Good Read
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The O'Riely factor was good, but its most definatly not down the center, Bias is.
Ice Tea
4:10:02 PM
5/04/02

How can we be sure your recommendations aren't biased? Hmmm?

Just kidding. Media is my line of work, and even though most of the time people's (reporters, producers, writers) intentions are well meant, the end product could be considered biased pretty regulary.
Artex
6:25:00 PM
5/04/02

Especially if you're talking about Fox, LOL
Tilt
8:32:28 PM
5/04/02

Artex, thats the problem that this book talks about. Most reporters don't see them selves as librails, they think that they are main stream. So they are only against conservatives.
Ice Tea
7:00:47 AM
5/05/02

Are You SURE That Book Doesn't Distort The Truth??
I think it's funny how Bill O'Riley claims his show The Factor to be a "No Spin Zone" and yet he presents facts to his arguing guests in a way to make whatever point he's shooting at...O'Riley is twirling so fast that he doesn't even know he's spinning!
Buddur
8:14:45 AM
5/05/02

Is this the same guy who posted the dating thread and would rather hang with his cats than girls?? Hmmmmmmmm... take it with a grain of salt. LOL!

(Here he writes like the undercover FBI agent bacpac always suggested he is... LOL!)
lizs
9:18:00 AM
5/05/02

He has opinions and he bases them on facts. I think the referrence to "No Spin" is that he doesn't get caught up in the bs of the POPULAR media, be it liberal or conservative. It's not the fact that he takes the same stance on many issues as I do (this alone tells me he is conservative), but the fact he will ask the questions no one else will, and he will demand an answer. This is why many people won't go his show.

FOX as a whole is not down the middle unbiased and thank G-d for that. CNN and the rest of the liberal media have monopolized our attention long enough and it's refreshing for the other side to have it's chance to show things from a different perspective. And FOX is 100X better at showing the oposing views of others than CNN is. CNN is so damn bad at it it's not even funny. If you see a non liberal on CNN you can bet he's there as a punching bag.
nigal
9:22:40 AM
5/05/02

I used to be a fan of nightline but after a while i noticed that one side would be represented by a well informed semi-moderate while the opposing view was often done by a unprepared radical.
dirtyoldman
9:22:57 AM
5/05/02

I absolutely LOVED it when Brit Hume asked the US leader of the Muslim faith if Arafat was a terrorist and he would answer straight forward and was evasive. Brit stopped the interview, refusing to move passed the question until the guy gave an answer. You wouldn't see the other networks (except maybe Alan Key's Making Sense) doing this. The feathers were flying!
nigal
9:37:44 AM
5/05/02

Ya mean to say that our beloved 4th Estate would delude and mislead us? Say it ain't so!
Father Goose
9:40:42 AM
5/05/02

I must admit, I am a Fox News fan. I also watch MSNBC, but I have pretty much left CNN.

I watch O'Reilly for the same reason I listen to Limbaugh or Chris Matthews-entertainment and to be provoked. If I want news, I watch a news show.
Pathman
9:47:57 AM
5/05/02

And besides that and maybe even more important is the fact that the new Gretta is hot as hell!
nigal
10:05:11 AM
5/05/02

Dang, Nigal, you really think so? I think the wench is a regular gargoyle. Ughhh!
Father Goose
10:07:31 AM
5/05/02

RE Bias

The most amazing thing to me was the reaction he got to his observations. In trying to point out that there is inherent and insidious bias in reporting, he has been blacklisted by the network news media. Or at least that's what he says. ;-)
Pathman
10:21:43 AM
5/05/02

What are your guy's thoughts on MSNBC picking up Phil Donahue?
Artex
10:29:07 AM
5/05/02

Phil Donahue? LOL. How about Clinton?
Pathman
10:31:52 AM
5/05/02

Phil is a bleadingheart dumb#&%!$. I'm glad he left Dayton.
nigal
10:38:31 AM
5/05/02

I lived in Dayton when he was local there.
Pathman
10:40:03 AM
5/05/02

Yeah, Clinton.. Yikes! That could prove to be interesting. He doesn't seem energetic enough to me though.

Donahue, like him or not, is just a competitive attempt to counter O'Reilly, which is getting fantastic ratings. Kind of fills a niche for those who want an ultra-liberal at that time slot. It'll be interesting to follow that ratings war.
Artex
10:40:14 AM
5/05/02

I'm a channel flipper. I wonder if they'll run their ads at the same time.
Pathman
10:43:54 AM
5/05/02

That's Greta? I thought Connie Chung had a sister...
Tilt
10:57:08 AM
5/05/02

Pathman, I bet you anything they will!
Artex
10:59:14 AM
5/05/02

Speaking of new and interesting news services, there's a new book out about the startup of Al Jazeera. I just saw a news conference one of the authors and the publisher had on C-SPAN's BookTV.

It seems that the whole thing is bankrolled by the Emir of Qatar, and much to his credit, according to one of the authors. They apparently hired nearly the entire staff of the BBC Arab Service when it folded. That's who runs it, with no input from the Emir, so they said. In fact one of their main anchors previously worked for Voice Of America.

They are also said to be roundly criticized by the state-run news services in the region for 'airing dirty laundry' of their fellow Arabs.

When asked about the infamous bin Laden tapes, the author said that they were newsworthy. Simple as that. His reply was that news services in this country air interviews with people from Marilyn Manson to Charles Manson, but they don't necessarily espouse their political philosophies.

There is also some talk that they are thinking of starting an English language spin-off. Wouldn't that be interesting?
Tilt
11:25:51 AM
5/05/02

I would like to see the English language spinoff. I think the best way to get beyond bias is to see as many credible perspectives as possible, and look for the recurring themes, intersecting stories.
Pathman
11:30:00 AM
5/05/02

Tilt
11:42:25 AM
5/05/02

I like listening to the BBC on NPR it seems they give other sides of the stories they report.
tango
12:54:42 PM
5/05/02

Looking for bias and misrepresentation, as well as outright fabrication and lies? Just go to any of the environmental industry's web sites. enn.com hits a new low in yellow journalism daily.
gordon
4:26:58 PM
5/05/02

I’d definitely watch an English language version of Al Jazeera.

Back to the point of the thread though, I think FOX news has the finest looking news babes of any of the networks. That Laurie Dhue is one fine honey!
Violin
10:37:44 AM
5/06/02

Yes, V, I think Roger Ailes is catching on to the Rupert Method of selling, <VBG>.
Tilt
10:50:04 AM
5/06/02

I watch Fox News and MSNBC daily. I think Fox is more of a propaganda outlet than anything I've seen. Entertaining, but I think they RARELY show both sides. Fox seems to want to whip people into a frenzy. MSNBC seems pretty balanced and responible.
donman
11:39:57 AM
5/06/02

i think i'd like a hit off of don's crackpipe!
stratdewd
11:22:58 PM
5/08/02

FOX News Admits Bias
source

NEW YORK -- In a stunning admission, Fox News chief and former Republican hatchet man Roger Ailes said that Fox News is "a nakedly right-wing media organization that works for the Bush administration". Ailes' comments were made at a symposium called "Death Squads for the Poor: An Alternative to Welfare" held by the right-wing Heritage Foundation. "We thought it would be a huge joke", Ailes recounted as he sobbed audibly, "Rupert Murdoch and I thought it would be fun to tweak the media establishment by producing something so idealogically bankrupt that nobody would take it seriously. We never thought anyone would believe it".

But America has taken Fox seriously, turning to the news channel over rivals CNN and MSNBC both for breaking news and ongoing news coverage. "Frankly, I'm shocked", said RNC chair Ed Gillespie, "I fax Roger the talking points every morning and they're on air by 7 am. It was so blatant I thought we would all have a laugh, but when people kept talking about Fox being 'fair' and 'balanced' I realized that they weren't being ironic. Then it was sort of like having to feed the beast."
Feeding the beast took its toll on Fox News staff, who decided to come clean today. "I have derided and made fun of honest, hard working politicians and activists on air", admitted Fox News anchor Shepard Smith, "I don't allow the issues to be presented fairly and I push an extreme agenda. I hate myself and all I stand for." On stage, Ailes continued to ooze emotion as he detailed the backstage power struggles at Fox: "When we hired Alan Colmes to represent 'the left' I assumed the jig would be up. There was no way someone so milquetoast and ineffective could honestly represent his side of the issues fairly. But people believed it. They really did. It was when we hired O'Reilly to shill for every Bush position that I realized that we had created a monstrosity. A monstrosity that a significant portion of the cable viewing audience tunes into regularly. At least those that aren't watching Rugrats on Nickelodeon or WWE Raw on Spike TV."

For their part, Democratic Party officials said that "we knew something was fishy, but we couldn't put a finger on it".
ViOLiN
4:17:49 PM
11/15/03

I just finished reading Bias.

His arguments are so flawed as to be nothing but a group of opinionated statements without real supporting evidence, but I can't say that I didn't expect that.
Phaedrus
4:42:54 PM
11/15/03

Its not about 'Fair & Balanced'
The reality is that all media outlets are in the business of making money by selling time to advertisers. They air programming to attract a target audience, and advertisers buy time based on that audience metric. Whether its with a liberal or conservative bias doesn't matter; whatever pulls in the revenue is what matters.
top dawg
6:59:12 PM
11/15/03

That's been my contention for some time.
Phaedrus
7:00:58 PM
11/15/03

Money Honey.
Tilt
7:16:38 PM
11/15/03

I'm stunned
Absolutely stunned.
mtnsteve
7:20:58 PM
11/15/03

i am unfair and imbalanced....
stratdewd
12:38:28 PM
11/16/03

An Epiphany! LOL
Tilt
12:50:28 PM
11/16/03

Haha. I'm simply unbalanced.
StickmanWalking
3:38:51 PM
11/16/03

The room is spinning~~~~~~~
Tom Terrific
3:46:01 PM
11/16/03

Just more affirmation hunting for Violin.
Nigal
4:57:21 PM
11/16/03

Lookin' for love?
Tom Terrific
4:58:25 PM
11/16/03

Funny satire Viol man!
pedxing
6:24:52 PM
11/16/03

it is peddy, but some undouptedly will take it as the real thing....

the end justifies the means. truth be dammed
stratdewd
6:57:45 PM
11/16/03

Wouldn't a more accurate title be "Flag on Georgia Plates Irks Environmentalist" (singular)?




Flag on Georgia Plates Irks Environmentalists

Fox News

ATLANTA — For years, Georgia has raised money for wildlife protection by selling custom license plates with wildlife scenes. Sales skyrocketed this year for new tags featuring the bald eagle and the American flag.

But some environmentalists say they do not want to contribute to the state's wildlife protection fund through a flag-waving symbol they believe will be seen as being linked to President Bush.

"The tag to me said politics, and the wildlife tag shouldn't be. It should be above the fray. It should be Republican. It should be Democrat. Everyone should be for the environment, and that tag doesn't say that," said environmentalist Michael Moody.

While a handful of liberal environmentalists claim the bald eagle and Old Glory together implies support for President Bush, big business and the war in Iraq, state wildlife officials say when they test-marketed several license plate designs, the eagle and flag tag came in first.

"We understand the conservationists or environmentalists may have preferred to see a more habitat-oriented design on this tag. However, we are trying to appeal to a broader market to support wildlife funding in Georgia," said Beth Brown of the Georgia Department of Natural Resources.

That strategy appears to be working. In January, the eagle and flag plate outsold Georgia's other wildlife tag, which features deer and quail, by a margin of two to one.
Violin
2:12:11 PM
3/12/04

I always knew they were unpatriotic.
Nigal
2:14:21 PM
3/12/04

It is pretty ugly. You'd think they could've found someone who could at least DRAW to design the thing.
Tilt
2:15:26 PM
3/12/04

How about a Chicken Hawk? That would tie it to Bush, too.
aero
2:18:48 PM
3/12/04

An oil rig with the ANWAR background I could see, but the flag?
Nigal
2:20:48 PM
3/12/04

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