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for my earlier rant. Very few things really get to me, but racism and bigotry really bring me out of my box. I am sorry for losing control like that. I am embarrassed.
Father Goose
11:18:28 PM
5/21/02

Farther Goose:

Those things outrage me, too. Thanks for saying so.
stumprider
11:26:14 PM
5/21/02

Political correctness really outrages me.
steve hiker
12:26:39 AM
5/22/02

I don't think racists are simply politically incorrect. They are just plain ignorant and afraid.
wingding0
12:31:36 AM
5/22/02

...and you should be embarrassed. You have now had two threads deleted because of your inability to bite your tongue and refrain from such banal language. Tisk, tisk, tisk, I'm very disappointed in you.
Captain Underpants
12:35:12 AM
5/22/02

which threads got deleted?
Snow Nymph
12:53:42 AM
5/22/02

Snow Nymph and I are night owls...I think we missed the fun today.
stanlee
2:01:00 AM
5/22/02

Yeah, so much goes on here I can't keep up!

Fell asleep early last night (before midnight!). I think the weekend caught up with me.
Snow Nymph
2:11:25 AM
5/22/02

I missed that too!

Another night owl checking in:)
Big Foot
2:24:10 AM
5/22/02

Hi Snow Nymph and Big Foot...and anybody who's still awake...hope everybody had a good day.
stanlee
2:30:15 AM
5/22/02

Hi stanlee and Big Foot! Still up. SnowDude is updating the webpage. I'm just TTing. Trying to figure out what I missed.
Snow Nymph
2:32:30 AM
5/22/02

Hi all!

I check in almost every night and see what`s going on and you two are always here, or have just left.

I hope you have a great night!
Big Foot
2:44:07 AM
5/22/02

Still here...just finished working out on the rowing machine...gotta wait for the adrenaline to calm down before going to sleep.
stanlee
2:50:36 AM
5/22/02

Yeah, this is the best time for me to TT. I try at work, but can't stay on for long.

Guess I better get to bed or I won't make it to the Country Music Awards tomorrow night!

Goodnight, all!
Snow Nymph
2:51:09 AM
5/22/02

Goodnight Snow Nymph!

Take care Stanlee!
Big Foot
2:57:39 AM
5/22/02

Good nite all...signing out.
stanlee
3:31:53 AM
5/22/02

Wow, miss an afternoon and you miss alot. What exactly went on around here? You can email me if you want to fill me in Father Goose.
skullcap
5:54:41 AM
5/22/02

Father Goose - for such things, I don't think you should have to apologize. Majority of the people here feel the same way you do, I'm sure.
Artex
6:45:48 AM
5/22/02

hmmm, I thought most of the racists don't post here much anymore.
Gear Slut
6:57:01 AM
5/22/02

I saw a Pizza thread that I tried to read but it wouldn't bring it up. Was that the thread that got deleted? Kinda hard to figure out why that one got bumped. Was it the pizza, hope it wasn't Domino's.
Ewker
7:38:01 AM
5/22/02

What happened....

someone posted a old stupid joke (which was bad)...i posted the old stupid follow up joke i had heard on howard stern(which was stereotypical, not malicious)...

i guess in bad taste..but they are just words...grow some thicker skin, and i'll see about watching my mouth in mixed company
OPIE
7:40:36 AM
5/22/02

Words mean things, nitwit. Get a clue!
Father Goose
8:16:36 AM
5/22/02

Amen brother Goose! Words have got meanings. Just about everything we know comes to us through words.
pedxing
8:34:26 AM
5/22/02

BTW: I didn't read the offending post, I was just agreeing on that particular point.

Nonetheless, it is hard for me to imagine FG going off on someone about some slight or subtle bigotry.
pedxing
8:36:24 AM
5/22/02

It wasn't slight or subtle. And Opie, a young southern man in today's society can do a lot to further people's understanding of each other by being careful not to exploit racial stereotypes, and to protest when someone else does.

If you have no ill will toward a group of people, don't defame them.
Phaedrus
10:25:03 AM
5/22/02

What Phaedrus said, OPIE. I have been told that you are a pretty good guy. Just think about what you say, my friend. Words have meaning.
As for that other cat...
Father Goose
10:28:15 AM
5/22/02

Ewker, it was uncalled for and nasty. I didn't get to see how well FG chewed arse, but I am positive he was in the right.
newgirl
10:35:08 AM
5/22/02

What Phaedrus and FG said. I'm not perfect, nor claim to be totally politically correct. But I just hate to think that somebody non-white who has a sincere interest in backpacking and maybe a lot of the off-topic posts here (God knows why.. kidding) would have to read some of the racist remarks that were posted. It's just not cool at all, and not a good representation for our beloved sport/hobby which this website represents.
Artex
10:45:14 AM
5/22/02

um why is it ok for you to be able to apologize for ranting and offending someone??
whi i tried to do it i rec'd alot of nasty feedback??
please clue me in why you seem to have a double standard
BOO HOO
11:29:24 AM
5/22/02

Because I don't like you.
Phaedrus
11:31:05 AM
5/22/02

why?
i sure would love to know why?
please give me 1 good reson other then "you dont like me"
because if its a good one thats not childish then maybe ill stop asking the same question over and over.
BOO HOO
11:36:37 AM
5/22/02

Because you ask the same question over and over.
Phaedrus
11:40:23 AM
5/22/02

The gloves are off!
Artex
12:26:08 PM
5/22/02

For BOO HOO:

Dear:
[ ] Sir [X] clueless one [ ] twit [ ] great man on campus
[ ] Madam [ ] dweeb [ ] twerp [ ] comrade
[ ] Elvis [ ] moon beam [ ] boor [ ] babe
[ ] geek [ ] boob [ ] Communist
[ ] Republican [ ] Democrat [ ] liberal [ ] conservative
[ ] Other :______________________

You are being flamed because:

[X] You SCREAMED! (used all caps).
[ ] You posted the inanely stupid "Make Money Fast" article.
[ ] You posted the inanely stupid "$250 Cookie Recipe" article.
[ ] You posted an inanely stupid magic weight-loss article.
[ ] You posted an inanely stupid cheap s**t at high prices article.
[ ] You posted an inanely stupid "Fix Your Credit" article.
[ ] You posted an inanely stupid "Good Time Virus" warning.
[X] You repeatedly have shown lack of humor.
[ ] You have a SIG with more than 4 lines of ASCII graphics.
[ ] You assumed that AOL/CIS/Prodigy founded the Internet.
[ ] You assumed that the Internet is a U.S. only phenomenon.
[ ] You repeatedly requested info on where to find XXX stuff.
[ ] You repeatedly harassed people with androgynous names like Chris, Jamie, or Rajhatmalhaban, with "Are you a girl?" or "M/F?" questions.
[ ] You sent a please remove me from the list message to the list rather than the listserver.
[X] You continued a boring useless stupid thread.
[X] You repeatedly posted to the same thread that you just posted to.
[X] You repeatedly initiated incoherent, flaky, and mindless threads.
[ ] You posted a piece riddled with profanities.
[X] You advocated Internet censorship.
[ ] You repeatedly assumed unwarranted moral or intellectual superiority.
[ ] You are under the misapprehension that this group is your preserve.
[ ] You are apparently under compulsion to post to every thread.
[ ] You are posting an anonymous attack.
[ ] You responded to an obvious troll.
[X] You posted an obvious troll.
[ ] You neglected to do research on the chosen subject.
[ ] You asked a question that was covered in the available FAQ.
[X] You redundantly covered the same point over and over.
[ ] You crossposted excessively.
[ ] You used long lines, i.e. you didn't break up your lines after 60-70 characters, thereby making it hard to quote your post.
[ ] You posted a request to send business/get well cards to a little boy with cancer who is trying to break the Guiness Book record.
[ ] Over 90% of your post was quoted from a previous post.
[ ] Over 90% of your post was quoted from a previous post and your addition was "I agree" or "Me too."
[ ] You barged into a quiet little newsgroup/IRC channel/MUD/whatever and started stinking up the place just because you read an article about the newsgroup/IRC channel/MUD/whatever in some magazine or had seen it on TV, etc.

You discussed the following in a non-nutcase newsgroup:
[ ] hollow earth theory [ ] alien President theory
[ ] orbital mind control frisbees[ ] faith healing
[ ] government weather control [ ] Russian psychics
[ ] Squeaky Fromme [ ] the nation of France
[ ] robot spy bees [ ] sexually promiscuous space aliens
[ ] "Manos, the Hands of Fate" [ ] Beavis & Butthead anything
[ ] flat earth theory [ ] government consipiracy theory
[ ] the veracity of any X-Files plot (see all of the above)
[ ] Other :______________________

You considered the following to be reliable reference sources:
[ ] Golden Books' "Exploring Science", printed in 1955
[ ] Any program covered by Talk Soup or [ ] SNL News
[ ] Oliver Stone [ ] Hard Copy [ ] Inside Edition
[ ] The National Enquirer [ ] The Sun [ ] NY Post
[ ] The Union Leader [ ] Pravda [ ] OMNI Magazine
[ ] Company Marketing Hype [ ] Microsoft [ ] The Simpsons
[ ] An unidentified, but obviously stupid, person or publication
[ ] Other :______________________

In the future, you may wish to:
[ ] Allow boring and useless threads to die.
[ ] Remember that not all newsreaders are threaded.
[ ] Recall that there are academic and commercial users on the Internet.
[ ] Remember that the Internet is multinational.
[ ] Consider that others may know more about certain subjects than you.
[ ] Exercise some humility.
[ ] Be careful of where you are crossposting to.
[ ] "Lurk" without posting for a few days to learn the forum of a group.
[X] Get used to being mocked.
[ ] Stop volunteering for Armed Forces pharmaceutical experiments.

I would like to suggest that, for the common good, you:
[ ] Wait at least two hours before responding to another post.
[ ] Read the FAQ (frequently asked questions) list for the group.
[ ] Learn to use the "kill" command to eliminate erroneous posts.
[ ] Post only to alt.dev.null.
[ ] Selectively respond to threads after reading all new messages in that thread.
[ ] Voluntarily apologize in a brief post.
[X] No longer contribute to this newsgroup/mailing list.
[ ] No longer contribute to any newsgroup/mailing list.
[X] No longer contribute to the gene pool.
[ ] Look into the possibility of medication for the above problems.
[ ] Familiarize yourself with the history of the Internet.
[ ] Familiarize yourself with the concept of:
[ ] patience [X] tolerance [ ] caution
[ ] common courtesy [ ] succinctness
[ ] vocabulary [X] higher brain functions
[ ] Other :______________________
[ ] Reinstall what ever failed mental operating system you are currently running on.

Please save this message and review it occasionally to determine your progress toward being:
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[X] a less annoying member of Internet society
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Thank you for taking the time to read this form flame.

Violin
12:33:32 PM
5/22/02

Ooops!
Sorry.
Violin
12:34:44 PM
5/22/02

Good god, now!
Phaedrus
12:55:09 PM
5/22/02

Is that what they call a WIDE LOAD?
Tilt
1:33:57 PM
5/22/02

Think I just figured out what the joke was? Was the punch line "a pizza can feed a family of four."?
chips76
1:43:44 PM
5/22/02

I love bad jokes. I mean, horribly offensive jokes. I mean, jokes that will get you killed in some company. I don't think you have to be a rascist to appreciate a good joke that supports a rascist stereotype. No more must you be an anti-semite to laugh at a joke that exploits a jewish stereotype. Nor do you automatically hate mothers-in-law b/c you laugh at a mother-in-law joke.

The point is that a person can enjoy the comedic element, the cleverness of a joke, w/o believing the stereotype upon which the joke is based. However, that said, I would never tell a bad joke to a person who doesn't know me well enough to understand why I appreciate the joke. Nor would I feel comfortable hearing an offensive joke from someone I don't know well. In other words, I don't want to tell a rascist joke to a rascist, nor hear one from a rascist. By listening, or telling in that situation, you unintentionally reaffirm his belief in a view you don't share.

In summary, I think posting a rascist joke among people who don't know each other that well is in very bad taste.
chips76
1:54:58 PM
5/22/02

Is it just me, or is this thread loading funny?
Artex
2:34:08 PM
5/22/02

Yeah, I hosed it up and I apologize to all..
Violin
2:54:25 PM
5/22/02

I'm sorry you had to apoligize.
Limpy
3:01:12 PM
5/22/02

I was going to keep to myself and not express my opinion about this topic, but I cant any longer. I didn't see the post, but I heard what the two jokes were.

I know Opie better than anyone on here and I can tell you he did not mean a thing by his joke. It was a joke, and that is all it was intended to be. Do you people honestly think that if he meant harm by it, he would have said it?

He is also not racist, as all of you are calling him. He has black friends and I dont think he would be ashamed to tell them his joke, because like I said it was only a joke.

Also, if you want to be politically correct then please refrain from jokes that apply to body anatomy. There are a number of women on this site that may find these types of jokes offensive.

I know I particularly dont like the F word. Would ya'll like me to criticize everyone that uses that word on here? No, I'm more mature than that and can just overlook something that I dont like.

I also want to say that I do not know the other guy that posted the joke about the jew but I do not see that many people criticizing him. It seems like everyone is just going after Opie's joke, when the other guy started the thread. I can almost assure the same thing for him, I'm sure he only meant it as a joke. I'm also almost sure that guy is not a racist and did not mean to offend anyone.
Miss Opie
3:55:09 PM
5/22/02

The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

WS
Limpy
4:02:33 PM
5/22/02

I always love the whole, "Let me start by saying I'm not a racist. I have black friends, blah, blah, blah," bit.
roseymonster
4:17:23 PM
5/22/02

Miss Opie
Please don't confuse political correctness with sensitivity toward racial issues. PC is a term that has, rightly, garnered a bad reputation as blindly following a standard set of verbal rules. That was never the issue here. By classifying those of us that protested against this as PC cops or whatever, it seems like you might be trying to condone racial remarks as just un-PC, and therefore acceptable to everyone but the PC police. I doubt that is the case.

What I have an issue with is the idea of broadcasting (yes you are broadcasting when you hit the "post message" button) derisive jokes about people of differing ethnicities as a casual, entertaining pastime. People don't know Opie, and aren't going to know that the inflamatory remarks he is making aren't intended as such.

The other guy who made the Jew comment was Swinger, and if I had to compare the two, his joke was the more tasteless. I'm pretty sure he's been banned. I haven't seen him around here since, anyway.
Phaedrus
4:18:27 PM
5/22/02

Liberals won't tolerate gay bashing or racists
They don't want to live next door to any blacks or homosexuals either.
bacpac
4:46:37 PM
5/22/02

see bacpac
see bacpac troll
troll bacpac troll
Phaedrus
5:00:17 PM
5/22/02

BacPac is not trolling. He really (consistantly) feels that way. He doesn't (to my knowledge) ever hide behind a different name. If I ever had to give the guy credit, it would be for being honest and true to his stubborn ways. Stop me now before I start getting all mushy.
flyguy6x
5:45:49 PM
5/22/02

Thank you flyguy.

I have no need to troll. People hate the real me.
bacpac
7:13:18 PM
5/22/02

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