Declaring War?

“We are declaring war not yet announced by the media but a rumer spedding fast in the military to gear up.

Some friends have been shipped off for combat training and were advised to spend time with their loved ones since they are being shipped off after the Holidays!

They are in fear from RUMERS that we may be declaring WAR!!!!!!!!!!



Well any one else hear about this garbage?”

“About time!

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“Not sure why you would consider this garbage. A person in the service knows that he/she can get their orders anytime to go and this may be the time and place.”

“Do you mean 'Declaration Of WAR'? Like in the kind that gives the prez protections and special rights?”

“Getting orders now means nothing. It could be just the normal rotation of units from Afghanistan.”

“Its not garbage I would love for the US to grow some big balls and take all the PROBLEMS out!!

Im thinking maybee Korea due to the fact that they ARE harboring Alqeda, (spelling?) and will not turn them over. We know wheere Asoma Bin Dick head is we just have a strategy to get him!”

“well they said some hire ups are advising them we will be declaring war soon!???”

“Declaring war on terrorism or a country?”

“Has anyone,yet,figured out what they don't like about the USA?Can't remember hearing much about that aspect.We are on the right side, aren't we?”

“country!?”

“I'll fight ya anytime, anywhere and over anything. i'll kick your butt all over the place and then pull your lip up over your head and make you swallow yourself. I'll rip your arms off and then beat you to death with them...but I'm not that violent a person...have a lovely day.”

“The current administration has been talking up the possibility of going after Saddam for seven or eight months.

One reason "they don't like us," besides the usual 'clash of civilizations' line, is that we don't export democracy. We talk a good game, but have a bad habit of supporting totalitarian regimes (and it's an extremely long list).
Look where the terrorists came from.

While some are political, others (like this new guy from Chicago) are simply thugs.

In the Bad Ol' Days, we were fighting Communism. What is the reasoning now? The ready availability of cheap oil? Support for Israel is only one piece of the puzzle.”

“Prowler, I am not sure the US will declare war on a country, terrorism yes but not a country. We pretty much know that Bush would like to take out Saddam Hussein since his dad failed at that. He listened to C. Powell instead of going all the way to Bagdad and crushing him then. If Bush isn't careful Powell will talk him out of it also.”

“I hope they bring the draft back!”

“Tilt, Maybe you haven't noticed but there are people and Governments out there who are attempting to and have killed Americans. Your persistant 'war for oil' theory is not very credible.”

“Ewker -

Sorry, it wasn't that G.H. Bush failed to take out Saddam. We stopped because what we did to that point full filled the UN action. The UN did not what Saddam out of Iraq, just out of Kuwait.”

“Marvelous... a veiled slur that I am somehow unamerican because I disagree with you (thank-you, Aristotle Fleischer). Wrap yourself in the flag until it cuts off the oxygen to your brain if it makes you feel better.

Persistant? I think you may be confusing me with everyone else who doesn't think the way you do. I have commented on this Maybe Twice since the towers fell.

Consistent, yes. Persistent, no.

Oil is a major factor in US Mideast policy. Deny it if you like, but be prepared to look foolish. Desert Storm... gee... what was that about? Democracy for Kuwaitees? LOL

And who invaded them? Our Old Buddy Saddam! If I attempted to list the totalitarian regimes we've supported over the years, I'd be typing all night. BOL!


Okay, let's have it bacpac. "Why do they hate us so," IYnotsoHO?”

“We get to buy our sheets on sale at JC Penny's white sales 4 times a year and they have to pay regular price and then to top it all off, they have to wear their sheets too.”

“Yikerz, Mon!”

“Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent a new nation, conceived in liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal. Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation or any nation so conceived and so dedicated can long endure. We are met on a great battlefield of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field as a final resting-place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this. But in a larger sense, we cannot dedicate, we cannot consecrate, we cannot hallow this ground. The brave men, living and dead who struggled here have consecrated it far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living rather to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us - that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion - that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain, that this nation under God shall have a new birth of freedom, and that government of the people, by the people, for the people shall not perish from the earth.

President Abraham Lincoln
19 November, 1863”

“They cannot reinstate the draft fast enough to suit me.

Military service would do these immature 20-somethings a world of good. Of course, I am past the age limit :)”

“Shut up!

The ball game's on!

Which of the twenty-somethings shall we draft?
Hmmm, we can rule out the sons of the upper middle class, they need that time of their lives to devote to the game of golf.

I like stikmon's attitude.
Let's just fight somebody!”

“i'll agree that my generation needs some sort of grand undertaking....maybe a bridge to hawaii, or a tunnel from NY to LA. All else fails..a ground invasion of china *rolls eyes*”

“Ewker, the only reason we didn't take out Sadam the first time around was because of the U.N.. We had great international support for the war, but taking Hussein out then would not have been a good idea as it would have spoiled our support, which was very important at the time. Things are a bit different now though. But the sooner we take that knucklehead, out the better!”

“In the military it is a training tool to tell the troops that war is imminent. I took basic training at Fort Dix in 1962, and the rumor they spread then was that the US would declare war on China over Quemoy and Matsu, two offshore islands claimed by China and Taiwan that figured prominently in the 1960 presidential campaign. The idea was to get the troops to take the training seriously. "What we're teaching you could save your life!"
As for imminent war, we are at war declared or otherwise. Sept. 11 is not an illusion and not fiction. They did that to us and we are responding in a measured, forceful way. There is a very good chance the war will spread, most likely to Iraq. But that won't happen until the Israel-Palestine situation is settled, at least temporarily, since it will likely continue off and on for centuries.”

“kleetn, i do believe you're nuttier than your squirrel!
:-D”

“I have a bro-in-law who is a staff seargent in the marine corps reserves. I was askin him "What if they send you somewhere?". He interrupted me in mid sentance & said.....when, not if, when. Somethins fixin to happen, that's for sure.”

“Sorry but I disagree. The reason that the US didn't take out Saddam the first time was C. Powell. Even stormin Norman wanted to march to Baghdad and crush it. The line that the UN said we couldn't cross was a joke and Bush used that as his excuse when the truth be known it was POWELL who persuaded him to stop.”

“Well, I haven't been hearing anything, but that doesn’t mean much. We're always "last to know first to go".”

“Ewker, Powell persuaded them to stop because of U.N. pressure, that's the source of his rational. You are right about Stormin' Norman saying many times he wanted to take Saddam out.. but he also says the reason they didn't was because of U.N. pressure.”

“There wasn't much between the 101st and Baghdad. It wouldn't have taken much to have chased Sadaam with the 18th Corps.

However, given the nature of the mission, I can understand how the decision was made to stop where they did. I don't necessarily agree with it, but I understand it.”

“Hell ya, Norman wanted to go. Reminded my of when Patton want to keep going. In both cases, things in the world might be a lot different, good or bad, but I have to rely on my sourses for my information, the History Channel and Discovery Channel. They have had some great pieces latley on the Gulf War. I agree, Ewker, that it should have been done. Back then, I was a part of big a group of guys from this area that were ready to sign up IF we did go.”

“gordon: The government can do anything they want when it comes to the draft. That means if they decide they can't get enough recruits between the ages of 18 and 25 they'll just up the age. You still may not be safe.”

“Isn't it after 32, yer ain't going??”

“If there is a strong enough need for warm bodies (such as the massive call up in WWII), the upper age limit can exceed 25.”

“Yeah, but all those 18-25ers gotta be killed off first.”

“I can't hardly imagine a war that would require the buildup of personnel to the level required in WWII. If it ever got that bad, someone with a happy trigger finger would do something incredibly stupid,,,,,,and then the retaliation would start.”

“I think everyone agrees a conventional war of the magnitude of WWII is out of the question. It's tactical nukes, send in the guys with the MOPP suits to shoot anyone still moving and that's that.”

“rugerman:

This country is in dire straits if they needed someone my age and physical condition. I'm not worried. Besides, someone has to stay behind and keep all those young lonely women company.”

“I have the feeling we will not have to go find a 'WAR'-I think it will find us.”

“I believe in WWII they drafted all the way to 40.

I had one grandfather who went, and another who stayed home. He kept having to move from job to job to keep his non-draftable status (he was a skilled tool and die mechanic) until he finally found a job in Oak Ridge, TN, then amazingly, he never had to find another draft-exempt position....”

“Why is everyone down on the 20 year olds? I see more promise in this new generation than I ever saw in mine.”

“bp -

I know that you are real proud for your son. From what I can tell, I would be too! I have to agree that SOME of these younger kids are in trouble. I know that they couldn't survive two weeks in the era of my grand parents. Most do not have "good common sense" anymore. At least when I was growing up, I knew where the line was. These kids have trampled all over it.”

“Most young-uns are a good bunch these days, except for the wannabe hoodlum kids who wear those stupid pantyhose things on their heads!”

“Do any of you thugs know what the "stupid panty hose thing" is a throw-back to?

M.O.P.P. suits?!?!?!?
Those things are NO GOOD!
They are a joke!

"Why, hell boy, our government wouldn't send OUR boys out there with faulty, no good, defective, obsolete, gear!"
Oh yeah?

"War is a racket!"
The military/industrial/congressional complex are the racketeers.”

“It's kinda like a catch 22....one part of me wishes i had something on the scale of wwII to prove myself, turn our nation of momma's boys into men, and solidify our nation. The other part of me never wants there to be such a grave loss of life and destruction.

oh well...i'll just go back to reading my history books”

“You do not want 'WAR' in this world.War in the WW2 fashion is a thing of the past.Even going into Iraq,won't be pretty--here or there.You don't see the rest of the world, stepping on each other to help.”

“That's because "the rest of the world" (i.e., Europe, except for the UK) is a bunch of pansies who have relied for a century on the US and the UK to do their fighting for them.

By the way, "war for oil" doesn't work as an argument. The US is the world's second largest producer of oil behind Saudi Arabia ( Energy Information Aministration data). Only a scant ~ 7 % of our oil comes the Middle East. The US produces ~ 50 % of its oil domestically; the remainder comes from Mexico, the UK, Russia and China (in that order).”

“Granted that the UK is always willing to jump in on a fight. However, the have a nasty habit of getting a bloody nose early in the game.”