Pakistani law

“I'm not trying to open a Muslim bashing thread and I concider myself fairly tolerant. However, I read yesterday that a Pakistani tribal council sentenced a 14 year old girl to gang rape because her brother had the nerve to hang out with a girl from a richer family.
Maybe 'they' should take a good look at their own culture before they condemn ours.
T H C ”

“...maybe she'll dig it.”

“You're not funny Buddur.”

“I can assure you that she didn't "dig it".
This is as judgemental statement as you will read, but here goes. Until women are allowed and encouraged to get an education and hold positions of power, these "cultures" will continue to be barbaric, sadistic, moronic, hateful, (I would run out of adjectives were I to continue)...........”

“They should have sentenced the "girl from a richer family."”

“Frankly, I don't believe the report, not from the first second I read the post. I clicked on your link thinking it will take me to the press report of the sentence, but no, it took me to some hiking club page instead. I have a hard time believing any culture would/could sentence an innocent bystander to face charges for the crimes of a relative of theirs, especially a penalty so harsh for such an inane incident. Until shown otherwise, I'll jest keep trying to be punny.”

“Sounds like a pretty questionable story to me. There is a gullible fool born every minute.”

“Do they honestly believe they follow the quran in this? I know what I'd like to do to them. Anyone remember a movie called "the serpent and the rainbow?"”

“Sorry but I have been over there and they can be some of the cruelest and barbaric poeple at times. I only wished they did follow the teachings of the own koran but sadly many dont. Atrocities such as this go on all the time overseas in third world countries as women over there are property and have no rights. They have made some progress towards human rights for women tho... they did pass a law limiting the stick used to beat a women to no thicker then a mans thumb....

I guess some of you dont realise they still sh?t in the streets over there.”

“ABC News Link
Be carefull calling someone a fool.
Did you read the news reports?”

“I guess she didn't dig it. I'm sorry (head hung low, hands behind back, kicking the ground with foot)...my mad!”

“That was supposed to be "...my bad."”

“Wow. How do humans become so evil? Poor girl.”

“The part that disturbs me is that this is probably the tip of the iceberg as far as punishments performed in many parts of the world.

dirtyoldman - the "don't beat your wife with a stick thicker than your thumb" is of European descent - hence our phrase "the rule of thumb".”

“Maybe this is a step forward for those fanatics.

I remember reading news articles about family members killing their female relatives to save face. You've got parents killing their daughters, brothers killing their sisters etc....bunch of sickos.”

“Those people are nutz!

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“I was just being sarcastic about that pepper...they allow anything a man can lift.They do discuss human rights over there sometimes but women arent human to them and therefore are exempt.”

“just so we do act too smug... WV still has a law allowing a husband to beat his wife. 10 lashes a month I think is allowed but CRS has stricken me again.”

“tribal laws in pakistan are not pakistani laws, tribal areas in pakistan have a degree of autonomy. i believe there is outrage over there about what happened, those people are surely not predisposed to that behavior.”

“It seems that mainstream Pakistani society and the authorities are pretty appalled.

The US has come a long way in it's 2 1/4 centuries, but it isn't that long ago that atrocities were widely tolerated in some communities. Think also about someone like Abner Louima (spelling?) the Haitian guy who was sodomized by a gang of New York Cops because they felt he dissed them. Think how bad that might make us look in the hands of an unfriendly foreign press.”

“Good point ped.

I think both cases carry a lesson about how evil people can act when they consider someone's race/class/sex/whatever to be less than theirs.

Curious how the little girl protester pictured in the CNN link carried an English language sign. Whose consumption was that designed for?

I can't blame anyone for not believing this story. It's pretty hard to imagine it actually happened.”

“Blame the Pakistani culture, not their law.

The English signs are more commonly written with some anti-israel slogan for the consumption of the foreign press, and they are as much a part of the "Pakistani" struggle against "oppression" as any weapon.

I hate to hear about things like this happening, but I can't say I'm at all surprized. If the press weren't so necessary to the Pakistani agenda right now, the west would never hear about such things, but they would continue to happen.

I may be out of order in this, but any culture that glorifies people for blowing themselves and others up, treats women as objects without rights, fuels an anti-semitic agenda by recalling popular medieval myths about jews, and teaches its youth absolute religious intolerance is not a culture that deserves protection.

My opinion only.”

“it's easy to whitewash a culture, again this was in the tribal areas of pakistan, which is a very different culture. i don't feel muslims are more inclined to violence than any other culture; our own is violent. intolerance not only exists in islam, but also in conservative judaism and christianity.”

“I'm not talking about muslims or arabs in general. I'm talking quite specifically about the so-called Pakistanis, whose whole agenda is to push the Israelis into the sea by any means necessary.

Not every Pakistani would approve of gang-raping a girl like this. Not every Pakistani would approve of a suicide bombing. There are just enough of both to point out the need for radical cultural change.

Pedxing makes a good point about some of the intolerance that has exited in the US. The good-ole-boy white supremacist culture of the deep south in the fifties and sixties had to change. So must this culture, and perhaps even more radically.

Yes, there will always be extremists. They should not, however, be the dominant power.”

“the fact that there is outrage over the gang rape is a very good sign. i wouldn't say "not every" pakistani would tolerate the gang rape, the vast majority wouldn't. i also doubt it is the pakistani's goal to push israel into the sea, they're much too concerned, and hateful, of india. judeo/islamic hatred is lesser in pakistan as compared to other arab nations.”

“Nothing surprises me anymore. I hope some sort of justice will prevail in this particular situation. Man is the only animal that can blush and the only one that should.”

“these animals don't deserve another breath of air....”

“How about we send the guys that performed the gang rape to the mountains where they shot "Deliverance", then they can see what it feels like.

"You sher got a purdy mouth boy"”

“India might just take care of that LeSubtil.

I believed it the second I read it. There are some horrible things happening to women and girls all over the world, female circumcisions, battery acid burnings,(so brothers can keep their sister's dowrys), etc. I am so thankful I was born where I was and wish that all women could know the freedom I do. It infuriates me when I see a woman walking five steps behind her husband. I see that everytime I go to our local discount fruit market.”

“Le Subtil, the pic didn't appear for me, but it must've worked for Sass.

Joke time Sass....a year ago, some famous U.S news woman did a report on how repressed middle eastern women were...how they were forced to walk behind their husbands etc.

Last week, this same news woman went back to Afganistan and saw that all the women were walking ahead of their man. Truly impressed, the news woman asked a woman how this came about. The woman said, "Land mines."”

“Stanlee, I checked out his properties and saw it was supposed to be a pic of a trinity missile.”

“It's a mushroom cloud from one of our tests. It shows up for me.”

“If people would stay on subject this board would be much less offensive... I am sure you can find another board with plenty of people who share your opinions... try www.racist.com.. I don't really want to hear about your "all american", everyone should live in a democracy, bull #&%!$!”

“Although everyone should live in a democracy. Even Americans.”

“we live in a representative republic, not a democracy”

“Thus the post.......”

“You live in a media induced illusion!”

“Yessirreee, dude! And good news is, there's room for you in here, too.”

“I live in Canada and I started this thread. Like the first post says, it isn't meant to be a Muslim bashing thread. I just got tired of hearing how evil our 'western culture' is supposed to be, and how it's not the American people they hate, but the U.S. government's foreign policies.
They way woman are treated reflects attitudes toward the environment I think.
T H C ”

“I'm pretty sure that advocating equal treatment for women is not racist attitude (or even a political issue) but a human rights issue.

Blow 'em all to hell is too stupid to even dwell on.”

“"Blow 'em all to hell is too stupid to even dwell on."

I never imagined anyone would take that seriously. I musta overestimated y'all.”

“Never overestimate a TTer.”

“Not a republic an oligarchy. (Not meaning to be troll. Thought this for years.)”

“You are underestimating the number of people on this board who really think that way!

Who says our way is the right way?

Should we condemn previous civilizations for the way they chose to live and run their society?

How about the infanticide committed by the Neanderthal... was that wrong? It's wrong to us, in our society, in this century, but it was not wrong for them to do so.. just as animal behavior should not be judged by or compared to human behavior... we can not judge civilizations with differing morals, religions, and norms!”

“What is "justice?"”

“No Tarp Rat, I disagree.

There are things that are universally wrong. We may not be able to determine these absolutes with 100% accuracy but they are still wrong.”

“Actually, Mr. Rat, I agree with you. We far too often judge others based on our own parameters. We rarely have enough info to see things as they do.

What appears to be subjugation to us in the west, may well be protection necessary for survival in other places and/or times. We don't have the same frame of reference.

I agree with Mr. Stumprider 100% as well.

Ain't I an agreeable cuss today?

Seems like when I'm serious, everybody else is joking, and when I'm joking, everyone else takes it serious.”