it was only at matter of time.

“and he didn't know fried foods were bad for him until three years ago.”

“It's analogous to the folks suing the tobacco companies and firearms manufacturers. Some people seem to feel that someone else is responsible for their actions, so long as it will bring them financial benefit.”

“Not the same, FG.

What about people who smoked in the 40s and 50s when tobacco companies were advertising that smoking cigarettes was good for you? They fought warning labels to the bitter end and produced tons of 'scientific' reports to undercut the growing evidence the tobacco could promote cancer, emphasema, heart disease...

What about the tobacco CEOs that blatantly lied before the Senate subcommittee? They should've been barbequed.

What about the firearms company in California with such lousy security that hundreds of pistols were stolen resulting in at least seven homicides?

What about the company that won't spend an extra Three Dollars so their automatic pistol won't fire when the clip is removed, a design 'feature' that has resulted in accidental deaths?

Nope. Not the same.”

“Tilt, the folks in the 40's and 50's who smoked may have a case but anyone who started smoking in the last 30 years has no excuse. Regarding safety features on firearms, it is common sense to treat every single firearm as if it were loaded no matter what.They arent toys, and ought not be treated as such.

It truly was a only a matter of time before someone sued the fastfood industry. I find the notion laughable that anyone would find DEEP FAT FRIED chicken to be a cornerstone of a healthy diet. Or that one could convince themselves that a super size big mac value meal is an acceptable meal in terms of nutrition or volume of food. The nutrition information is posted and available on request. Anyone with a 7th grade education can read the simple chart provided. Recall that a few years back taco bell had a "low fat" menu, no one wanted it so it was cancelled. Generally Americans dont give a flying fork about health or nutrition. If we did we wouldnt be the fattest nation on the planet. I say get off your fat @ss and eat a salad once in a while!

No one wants to responsible for their actions anymore, its always someone elses fault.”

“Another point to keep in mind is that fast food IS food. There are many in the world whose diets would improve if Big Macs were added. The same cannot be said about tobacco. It really is about calories - something which is efficiently transmitted in fat.

It is your fault if you are overnourished (IMHO).”

“To the contrary, tobacco companies hid evidence that nicotine was not only dangerous but addictive until very recently. If a company sells you a product which is known to be dangerous but hides the fact that you're likely to become hooked on that product, thereby greatly increasing the chances of your being harm by the company's deceit, the company is liable under basic common law fraud principles.”

“I think some people on this thread should be sued for bringing down the collective intelligence level of Trail Talk. Stupid people shouldn't breed. They steal my oxygen.”

“Tilt, if I didn't know better, I'd say you are a friggin' moron, but from your previous posts, I believe you are an intelligent, thoughtful person.
If someone tells you that inhaling a hot, burning vapor that makes you choke and cough is good for you, are YOU going to believe them? My mother smoked 2 packs of Winstons a day. One day my brother and I hid them from her and she went berserk. This was in the late fifties or early sixties. They didn't seem harmful to me then. Since the mid-sixties, cigs have had some kind of warning label on them. Anyone who has smoked for the last forty years has no excuse for their health problems.
Anyone who handles a firearm should at least have the dim understanding that it is a potentially lethal tool. I personally like the fact that my
Glock will fire without the clip in it. Your firearms ignorance shows when your speak of an 'automatic pistol'. Automatic weapons are forbidden to any civilian without a class 3 license.
'Accidental' deaths are caused by idiots, and I include in that group parents who do not teach their children firearms safety and who do not keep their firearms out of reach of their young children.
I smoke and I have a modest firearm collection. I also take responsiblity for my own actions. If someone steals one of my firearms, should I be held liable for what the thief does with it? I don't think so. If someone steals your car and robs a bank or commits murder (pick a crime) should you be held liable? Again, I don't think so.
People need to be held accountable for their own actions, my brother.”

“"What's all this fuss about tabasco?"”

“Yeah, there's not a whole lot of similarity between the tobacco industry and the fast food industry on the face of it right now... Of course, there are the studies on nutrition that the Restaurant Association tried desperately to put down. Those could be seen as somewhat analagous to the lies about nicotine and cigarrette additives.

If you're interested in the opposing views, here's a good book to read.”

“I wouldn't defend tobacco companies and call someone a moron in the same breath. Thay might be construed as being somewhat... moronic. Take a deep (smoke-free) breath and read what I posted.

That's the crux FG: they should know what they're doing but sometimes don't.
How many times have people, especially young people, died for want of that $3 modification? What's the holdup?

Sorry dude, but if someone is shot with your stolen gun I hope they DO bust you, the same as if you left it out for the neighborhood kiddies to play with. It's that Responsibility Thing I hear so much about, LOL

C'Mon!?! I thought it was that Gun Control crowd that liked comparing Guns to Cars!


Where the hell is 'Tommy Gun'?

<GRIN>”

“Pathman's comment reminds me of a moldy old punchline...

There was an older gentleman being checked out by his doctor for a possible case o' da clap, and the doc asks, "Does your urine burn?" The erstwhile geezer then replies (with a straight face, I might add), "To tell ya the truth, Doc, I haven't tried to light it!"

Ba-Dum-Bum!”

“Waitaminute Tilt, you are actually saying that I am responsable if someone breaks into my home and steals my legally owned and safely used property and then uses it to harm another?

Take that same arguement and replace gun with car, axe or big ole stick.”

“Award this guy with a 60 day fat camp on the Dr. Dean Ornish program, then 5 years fat probation.”

“What do you folks call 'properly stored'?”

“Tilt, You're stealing my OXYGEN!!!!”

“That's great, Tilt. That's like saying that if someone steals your automobile and commits a crime, that you should be held resposible for their actions. It would make as much sense.
BTW, I didn't call you a moron. Your argument is so specious and fundamentally flawed, I don't know where to begin.”

“Get his fat @ss to a gym and put him on a vegan diet...he'll be OK in about 2 years. Bet he wasn't complaining, while stuffing a greasy burger down his throat and washing it down with sugar ladened soft drinks.”

“So don't answer the question, then.

You said they were the same. They aren't.

Next!”

“What's the question?”

“Sorry, the water's starting to get a little muddy here.”

“tilt must work for a fast food company(like me) since his arguments seem to divert the real issue at hand, thereby supporting them. diversion is a clever debating strategy. many people never even notice it's use.


good point phaedrus, i was thinking the same thing.”

“Yo' mama plays a Yamaha.”

“lmao! and monkeys might fly outta my butt!


i'm on yer side here father GEE. dun be dissin my momma. tilt has let that tilt go to his head.............outta my cold dead hands n Chit! ! !!”

“Mmmmm... Grease.

Mmmmm... Salt.

Mmmmm... Sugar.

Mix in a steady stream of TV and beer.


Next thing you know you're so fat, someone tells you to haul ass and it takes two trips!

Mmmmm... Bypass surgery and liposuction.

Now you're good to go. You can start all over again!


God bless America and modern medical science!”

“Fuck tobacco.

Toke bud, dude.”

“The problem is not inanimate objects like cigarettes, guns, or fast food. IMHO it is a trend away from individual responsibility and finding toward someone to blame for all your ills. This increases government regulation and power, takes away individual rights, and keeps lawyers employed.

This is a frivolous lawsuit that is only moving ahead because our society has let the legal system evolve into the quagmire that allows so many stupid things to happen...at our expense.”

“"What do you folks call 'properly stored'?"

Tilt
11:22:23 PM
07/27/02


What I'm getting at is that if the owner is negligent, the piper should be paid. How should they be stored? What are the usual precautions? What is the law where you live?

The Original Comment was that suits involving tobacco and guns are just as frivolous as the Cheeseburger suit. I agree that some are, but some are definitely not. FG made a blanket statement which was begging to be challenged.

As far as the Gun Thing goes (and I've said this way more than once), I don't march along with Sarah Brady OR Charleton Heston. I think they're both out of synch.


It's WAY past my bedtime.

<YAWN>”

“Somebody give me a cheeseburger.

Fuck off and be happy.”

“The problem is not inanimate objects like cigarettes, guns, or fast food. IMHO it is a trend away from individual responsibility and finding toward someone to blame for all your ills. This increases government regulation and power, takes away individual rights, and keeps lawyers employed.

This is a frivolous lawsuit that is only moving ahead because our society has let the legal system evolve into the quagmire that allows so many stupid things to happen...at our expense."
Phil
02:19:02 AM
07/28/02



I couldn't have said it better myself so I'm not even going to try.”

“The problem is not inanimate objects like cigarettes, guns, or fast food. IMHO it is a trend away from individual responsibility and finding toward someone to blame for all your ills. This increases government regulation and power, takes away individual rights, and keeps lawyers employed.

This is a frivolous lawsuit that is only moving ahead because our society has let the legal system evolve into the quagmire that allows so many stupid things to happen...at our expense." Phil
02:19:02 AM
07/28/02

I could not agree more. I will add that there is a disappointing number of TT'ers who interpret freedom as a license to escape responsibility.”

“.'This is a frivolous lawsuit that is only moving ahead because our society has let the legal system evolve into the quagmire that allows so many stupid things to happen...at our expense.'
Phil

Let's bring back the old hanging tree.

Or, at least, the woodshed!”

“Heh, A good caning would be a lot better punishment then what some of our criminals get.”

“I can't believe what America is turning into. come on who could honestly say that they didn't know that fast food was bad for you. The people that eat it all the time are just to lazy to get up and cook for then selfs. All of that talk that they are to busy is a crock. Bring a lunch with a good lunch fruit maybe a sandwich not McDonalds. I'm not going to say that I don't ever eat fast food. I think that some of it taste good. But maybe once a month or even less. America is sue happy and that is that. Everyone is looking for the easy money and doesn't want to work for it. What a crock of #&%!$!!!!”

“I don't think fast food is necessarily bad for you. You just can't eat two cheeseburgers, jumbo fries, chocolate shake and wash it down with a bucket of chicken every day for lunch.

Moderation is the key to life. A Big Mac isn't going to kill ya.”

“Oh, yeah? When was the last time you ate a Big Mac?
GAG!”

“Tilt, in answer to the storage question. Most gun owners I know lock their firearms in a gun cabinate. Not some display case that can be busted into with a stick, it's more like a safe.

Me personally, I don't own a firearm and don't intend to.

BTW-
What do guns have to do with
cheeseburgers?”

“I don't lock my guns up. Most gun owners I know don't lock theirs up either.”

“Maybe it's a local thing than.”

“But more importantly, why should I be liable if someone else broke the law?”

“Tilt for Lord of the Trolls! Nah, we don't want him stinking up the place.”

“This lawsuit should result in a penalty to the plaintive for being stupid and annoying. The judge and court employees should be given a judgement for their pain and suffering in having to hear this case.

And yes, a Big Mac can kill you. The shock of seeing how many grams of fat and calories this meal packs will all but the most hardened (arteries) junk food eaters.”

“HPM, I think I already answered that one, <G>.

(and I didn't bring up the guns part... That Troll Father Goose did, LOL)”

“mcdonald's

http://www.burgerking.com/Food/nutrition/NutritionalTable/downloads/menuitem.pdf">burger king

kfc

you may be alright unless you have a steady diet of double whopper with cheese.”

“that must have been the worst job i have ever done with links.

burger king
mcdonalds

kfc”

“Ohhhhh, so you guys skip the fries? I didn't think so....”

“.'BTW-
What do guns have to do with
cheeseburgers?'
humanpackmule

After those first 200 miles of the AT, some of those thru-hikers would kill to get their cheeseburgers at Mountain Mama's. Don't get in their way as they come down that last hill.”

“Hardee's fries! (the milkshakes have Actual Ice Cream in 'em) Sonic Vidalia onion rings! (watch out for those Tater Tots with chili & cheese...)

Who the hell wantsd to live forever, anyway?

%^ )”

“That's it! I've had it with you, Tilt! You and me, Double Whoppers w/cheese, milkshakes and onion rings at 20 paces!”

“"Tilt: Leaning to one side."

I think now we can all clearly see what side he leans toward. I posted something about the proposed tax of fast food in Canada about a week ago and said then that liberalism = communism.

Tilt, if you truly believe that I should go to jail for a crime perpetrated by someone who stole my gun, you truly are a communist.”