it was only at matter of time.

“Tilt is not a communist.




















She is a socialist.”

“I want to live forever to backpack!

8P”

“Food fight!



Take a Communist to lunch, this week!
Show them we're a regular bunch, this week!

LOL!


Wellnow, Mr. Whatever-your-name-is-this-afternoon, leave a loaded gun where a child can find it and kill another child and see how fast they lock you up. Remember the 7-year-old boy who took the gun to school and shot the 6-year-old girl a year or two ago? Man, I wonder where the owner of that pistol is today. I think they barbequed him. What? He didn't pull the trigger himself? Oh, Well...

You see, that's the thing about negligence you seem to be missing. If you don't take REASONABLE precautions, bad things sometimes happen... and then it's Your Ass on the line, LOL. That was the whole point of the suit(s) against the firearms manufacturer in California. Reasonable precautions were not taken and HUNDREDS of untraceable pistols wound up on the Black Market.

Next!”

“Hey, I just posted some lyrics on the music thread --- I'm sure you'll get a charge out of them.

Socialism, Communism... what's the difference, right?”

“You cannot compare the actions of a minor who had access to deadly weapon to those of a grown adult who steals someone's gun out of their home. If you leave a loaded gun where a 6 year old can get to it and that 6 year old kills someone with it, then, yes, you should be held accountable. But the scenario that was suggested about someone robbing a bank with my stolen gun is a completely different picture.

Guns are not the problem with the world today. Its eveyone's warped sense of right & wrong. We wouldn't want to offend the wrong person. Instead of dealing with the criminal, we go after the guns. Instead of taking responsibility for your own actions, we go after the cigarette, gun, or fast food manufacturers.

The government was not set up to tell people how to live their lives. Living in America still entitles us to certain inalienable rights. Take away our freedoms, no matter how small, and it opens the door to socialism.

Care to respond?”

“Negligence.

Reasonable precautions.

Next!”

“Ignorance.

Reasonalbe Stupidity.

At least make an argument.”

“I realise this is like some religion to you, but puh-LEASE.

"eveyone's warped sense of right & wrong"

Everyone's... except Yours? LOL”

“Oh, I got it.

You're another one of Violin's Trolls. Good one, V. Ya had me going for a second, there, <GRIN>.”

“OK, Tilt, I'll bite. Do you have a source to the story about all these 'untraceable' guns landing on the market? Also, I'd like a source to the story of the manufacturer of the 'automatic' pistols that fire when their magazines are disengaged. Who manufactures these firearms?Actually, I know for a fact that Colts and Glocks will fire a chambered round without magazines in place, but how does that make the manufacturer morally culpable for the actions of a knucklehead? The ops manuals of these manufacturers state that fact. Seems to me that the operator is responsible for negligence and reasonable precautions, LOL.”

“Its tough living in today's America to know the difference between right & wrong. I don't pretend to have all the answers. I struggle to make sense of things everyday just like anyone else. Columbine, Oklahoma City, World Trade Center, none of it makes sense. But I'll tell you this, it definitely doesn't have anything to do with guns, cigarettes, or fast food.”

“Well, Tilt and I at least agree on this one, Fiddle Boy, but why the pseudo-pseudonym?
OK, Tilt, you're up.”

“I'm surprised I could still find a link for the report on Hot Guns, but there it be. See what you think.

The point re: the chambered rounds involved with accidental shootings came from a debate I saw on C-SPAN last year. Sorry, I don't have a link for that. The point was that a number of people (mostly children) might still be alive if the designs were changed. It wasn't like there was a prohibitive cost associated with it... and the company(s) were familiar with the situation.

Anyway... Nytol...”

“What Phil said. MP”

“tilt's a girl?”

“Actually, I agree with BacPac... fast food, even high fat fast food is not necessarily bad for you.

You can have a healthy diet that includes fried chicken and fries every once in a while.

What matters is how much high fat food you are eating, what else you are eating and how many calories you are burning.

I'll add: this is part of the fundamental difference between tobacco and "junk food." The body needs a certain amount of fat and salt, it doesn
t need tobacco smoke.”

“YOU WILL ALL BE HELD RESPONSIBLE WHEN I GET FIRED!!!!!!!

Since there is no saftey feature on Trail Talk to tell me when the boss is looking over my shoulder while I am using TT, and I will surely eventually be fired for using TT on company time, I will have to sue each and every one of you for posting things that MAKE me look at Trail Talk.

Now, if you will all just submit your names and addresses you will save me the time of having to track you down using other methods.






You do realize that I am kidding, right?”

“"tilt's a girl?"

stratdewd
09:25:42 AM
07/29/02


Just one of bacpac's little jokes. I think she learned it in the WACs.”

“Tilt, I am a bit confused.

You said " leave a loaded gun where a child can find it and kill another child and see how fast they lock you up." As an argument as to why one ought to be held responsible if ones firearms are stolen and used in the commision of a crime.

Then you say "The point was that a number of people (mostly children) might still be alive if the designs were changed." Regarding the suing firearms manufacturers for a weapon that fire withoutr a magazine.

Wait a minute, You want it both ways. First its the owner now its the manufacturer. You cannot have it both ways. Either its the individual or the industry. Take your pick .”

“Thaaaaaaat's right. Both. And not limited to those two examples either. Whoever is negligent should be held Personally Responsible. Period.

I suggest "You" backtrack a little and get up to speed on this dead-end thread, then... forget it. I'm REALLY tired of having to repeat myself.

That was the last time for this go-round.”

“.'Whoever is negligent should be held Personally Responsible. Period.'
Tilt

Anyone associated can expect to be sued.

In our aikijutsu(defensive combat) class, we have been warned accordingly. If, in forced defense of ourselves and/or loved ones, we do damage to someone, all sorts of things will happen. They will likely sue us, the instructor, the establishment where classes are held, the parent organizastion, etc. And the judge will weigh our actions against the threats that existed. Laws in this area are not consistent in every state.

They will go after money wherever it can be found.”

“Yep, Tilt, I have to agree that Lorcin was extremely lax in their security. Their firearms have always had a reputation for being crap, and no knowledgeable person would buy one. I hope that if I'm ever in a life-or-death situation that my adversary has one of their firearms. That having been said, let's go back over your argument point by point.

"What about the company in California with such lousy security that hundreds of pistols were stolen resulting in at least seven homicides?"
The report you cite mentions only one homicide, that of Evelyn Garcia. As tragic as that is, Lorcin did not steal the guns, nor did they pull the trigger. Peter Garcia pulled the trigger. One homicide, not seven. You could at least keep your facts straight, or at least not embellish upon them.

"What about the company that won't spend an extra Three Dollars so their automatic pistol won't fire when the clip is removed, a design 'feature' that has resulted in accidental deaths".
Well, here we go. You don't even know the difference between a semi-automatic and automatic firearm. Personally, I like that fact that my pistols will fire if the clip is removed. If I am in a stressful situation someday and I accidentally press the magazine release, at least I will have one shot to defend myself with.

I reiterate, accidental shootings are caused by idiots. I can cock my 45 and you and I can sit in front of it 'till we rot and it won't kill anybody of it's own accord. Smeone has to pull the trigger. To blame the manufacturers s simply a P/C way for the limp-dick politicians to say that they are doing something about crime.

Oh, yeah, and another thing.
"As far as the Gun Thing goes, (and I've said this way more than once), I don't march along with Sarah Brady...

Well, I'll tell ya what, brother. From the tenor of your posts on the subject, you may not want to kiss her in public, but if you thought nobody was lookin', I'll bet you'd like to hold hands, LOL.

It's the criminals, stupid!

NEXT!”

“Please excuse the typos, LOL.
Next!”

“Make up your damn mind, would you? The other night you appeared to be all buddy/buddy with Tilt. Now you're back on here blasting him. I agree with your last post wholeheartedly, but why the flip-flopping?”

“The lawyer for the fast food guy is on Hannity and Colmes, Fox News tonight.”

“They will go after money wherever it can be found."
nowslimmer
06:40:00 PM
07/29/02

Also known as the "Deep Pocket Rule".”

“It's a love/hate thing, I guess. ;-)”

“FG, your 100% correct! I'm fed-up with people who preach and don't know....auto/semi-auto....clip/magazine. I get really PO'd when I hear/read a news report about "high powered automatic revolvers".”

“Jesus. Get worked up over something that matters.”

“should that be something that matters according to your opinion or something that matters according to his opinion?”

“Good point, Baume. Along those same lines of thought, someone on the sinking Titanic could very well have gotten really angry that the lifejackets were so unflattering to her figure. She would have been entitled to her opinion.

Oy.”