Support Organic Framers

“WE DO!!!!!!!”

“SO DO WE!!!!!!!!

YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

;-)”

“framers, farmers”

“Very little.

I grow organic veggies in my garden at home. For those who scoff at the results.

Saturday:
3 Zuchinni from 2 plants (8-16")
3 Yellow squash from 2 plants (8-11")
2 Cups green beans
6 Tomatoes
3 Jalapeno peppers

Sunday:
1 Zuchinni (8-9")
1 Yellow squash (9')
6 Tomatoes
2 Large bunches Boston Bib lettuce (7th or so of the season)

Monday:
2 Zuchinni (9-14")
3 Yellow squash (6-8")”

“ours is moving great as well, BUT not as good as last years! The trees behind our yard grew like 40 ft. just a couple hours of sun.”

“Greeeeeen Acres is the place to be...


Sounds like Prowler is a reincarnation of Jack-and-the Beanstalk, LOL”

“I support organics. Walmart even stocks organic lettuce now!!”

“I live in the middle of mucho organico farmers, er, framers to some folks. They are four organic farms within bicycling distance from where I live, and I live in a city of 50K people.

What about the Organic framers?
Recycled lumber from old Timberframed buildings is worth lots of money. In the olden days they did not have nuts, bolts or even nails and they fit together the wood carefully and craftily to make buildings that lasted for much longer than ours do today.

If you have big bucks and are building your own home you might look into it, rather than a log cabin which looks great but really is bad for energy efficiency from what I hear.”

“EARTHSHIP














thats what Im building!

www.earthship.com”

“I buy organic whenever possible to avoid GM foods. Eating out can be a big issue, though.

Prowler, if you're really building an earthship, please post pictures!”

“better yet, a map. we'll come visit.”

“Phaedrus-no problem, we are breaking ground in April 2003!”

“I always buy organic foods.



LMAO!!!”

“lol skully...lessee...any inorganic food out there? hmmmmmm.....don't think so...”

“Inorganic foods? Do multi vitamins count as food? Oh wait, they've got sugar in them. Nevermind.”

“I was thinking that vinegar might be inorganic, but no, plenty of carbon in there.

I did a quick lookup, and all of the vitamins I was able find a formula for are organic.”

“Well, pure minerals count. Lick a salt block today!”

“NaCl here I come!

Do people eat dirt where you come from, skully? Reason I ask is, my aunt used to be a nurse in a rehab home. Not a drug rehab place, but one of those places where you go when you're not well enough to go home, but not sick enough for the hospital. Anyway, she had an elderly black female patient once whose family was bringing her dirt from back home in South Alabama for her to eat. Some sort of backwoods medicine, I guess. My aunt said she did a little research and found that some of the clays down there contain a lot of essential minerals, so there was some method to their madness.

Talk about organic. You can't get much more organic than dirt...”

“I've heard of extremely malnourished people in easter Kentucky eating coal. I'm guessing both for the mineral and organic content.

Ummm...I ate dirt once when I was a really little kid, does that count? No, in the area that I grew up in (southern lower Michigan)eating dirt is considered a sign of a severe nutritional deficiency. It's also frowned upon quite severely. It's definitely not a home remedy for anything around there.”

“I buy a lot of organically grown food, but I also buy lots of the standard supermarket stuff... cuzz the organically grown food costs so much more.”

“What pedxing said.. but if the organic is only 50 cents more or whatever, I'll still go that route.”

“Skully: I read an article once about dirt eating... there are some places in the US where a lot of people eat dirt. THere were even a few cases of people who had their parents send them local dirt while they were in college.”

“I only eat 'organic' if it clearly tastes better. The USDA and the FDA ensure that all the food I eat is safe. There is no reason to be paranoid about hormones or antibiotics in food, organic or not. Our taxdollars go to ensuring all food is safe to eat.”

“I refuse to drink organic water, though.”

“p.s. eating dirt is really weird, bit”

“Good point!

8D”

“Yeah the FDA really looks out for us. Didn't they have to recall about a million pounds of ground beef recently?”

“How many million got through, glass is half empty tango?”

“Well that proves that there are always slip ups with anything ya know!

8D”

“I am checking my top 10 list of daily high risk activities...driving to work, cruising the internet, terrorizing the cat next door... Nope, eating non-organic foods doesn't even make the list. I think I'll keep doing it.”

“Organic = Expensive”

“Exactly. It's another example of corporate america making us think we need something we don't so we'll spend more money!

(those organic strawberries sure do taste good)

...risk to my mental heath of general paranoia, placing the hair dryer over the sink...”

“I do wonder how many million pounds of tainted beef did get through. And how many people got sick from it. Not sick enough to go to the hospital, but sick.”

“Buying organic is not only for the well being of yourself..think further, to our river systems, and the earth that absorbs all of thoes chemicals that are sprayed each year!!

I personally think it tastes a whole lot better, also, letting the food grow naturally, without having to build up endurance for the pesticides, leaves more of the natural components for making the product build WAY more nutrients. (around 30% more nutrients than non-organic)The soil can also be used over and over again, and just keeps getting more nutricious, unlike non organic which crops need to keep being rotated.

its more expensive because it is time consuming, they use lady bugs to controll harmful bugs, and owl nests to controll critters. Weeds are hand picked...

I just feel a whole lot more comfortable biting into a fresh veggie or fruit knowing im not only keeping all of thoes chemicals out of me, but out of this earth as well.

Only 2% of farmers are organic, I support them for sticking to it, for the good of the people it sells to and the earth, rather than using the easy method for faster, eaiser profit!!!!!”

“I meant how many million lbs of safe product got through...

The 'organic' label doesn't protect you from food-borne bacteria like e-coli.

'Organic' on the chicken in my fridge just means:
No artificial ingredients
No preservatives
Minimally processed

There is probably more of a chance it contains bacteria because it hasn't been irridated or preserved.”

“you have a chance for bacteria in everything, I just think the benifits completly outweigh the risks.”

“I don't know if there have been any studies, but I would guess there are as many acute illnesses (e-coli, salmonilla, etc) from organic food as there are from inorganic. The difference is the organic will not slowly kill you from the standpoint that all those preservatives, etc MAY be carcinogenic.”

“Benefits of what?”

“I have to say, Kym makes a very good argument in her earlier post, re: pesticides and the earth. JMHO.”

“"Rivers and the surrounding land drained by them (catchments) are very important wildlife habitats. The water itself provides the environment for fish, plants and animals, while the banks and nearby land support creatures such as otters, kingfishers and dragonflies and a variety of water-loving plants.

Between 1985 and 1990 there was a decrease in the total length of rivers and canals decreased. Meanwhile the total length of 'poor' quality waterways increased.

Since 1990 the situation in England and Wales has improved. The Environment Agency reports an increase in length in the best quality grades of waterway and a reduction in the poorest.


Where does pollution come from?

There are several sources of water pollution which work together to reduce overall river water quality. Industry and agriculture discharge liquid waste products. Rain as it falls through the air, or drains from urban areas and farmland, absorbs contaminants. "


This gives me reason enough to support organic....”

“OK, you got me there. Water runoff, protecting the environment is a good reason. But in that case 'organic' foods should be labelled 'produced in an environmentally friendly' so as not to imply they are actually better for your health. Which is why most people eat them.”

“way. An environmentally friendly way”

“i sure do like pronouncing all those ingredients in my food, don't you?
i have to agree about the pollution, i don't like it.
i also have to agree about the price, i don't like it.
i just realized i don't have anything meaningful to add to this conversation, but hey it's never stopped me before.”

“i guess we probably already got past that though didn't we”

“LOL @ Josh!”

“This reminds me of the post a LONG time ago about picking up your dog's crap on the trail. The REASON you shouldn't just flick it off into the woods is that it could rain, the runoff could wash the poop into a stream, and that poop COULD CONTAIN BACTERIA OR OTHER HARMFUL PARASITIC ORGANISMS.”

“Farmers aren't the only bad guys. While we're on the subject, you shouldn't throw Hazardous Materials (like paint, solvents, oil, compost, etc) in the trash because it could go to a landfill where runoff water could wash it into a stream. You should recycle it. Commercial industry isn't the bad guy anymore, I don't think. The private sector pollutes a thousand times worse because they are harder to control.”

“'Industry and farmers' are tightly regulated.”

“I think it does have a way better chance of getting into the water than dog sh#$..a lot is actually more nutricious, some however isnt. Generally, if your going to spend the money on organic, you already know your reasons behind it and dont need their advertizments to convince you.

I spend the money on it, of course I do buy non organic if something is on sale for cheap, I just like to get it a majority of the time, Im definitly not going to critisize thoes who choose not to, I just like to spread a little about it to thoes who are uninformed about it...”

“Not sure the 'Organic' chicken in my fridge, which is labelled:
No artificial ingredients
No preservatives
Minimally processed

means the farmer used sound environmental practices to raise those chickens and is actually protecting the environment.”