Sleeping Arrangements

“I would consider letting just about anyone sleep under my hammock but they better no bytch about the low clearance in the morning ;}”

“They say Gandi use to spend his nights sleeping with young naked female virgins.
To test his power over his own body..... Hmmmmm, with me they might not be virgins in the morning....
I'd better be careful.

After backpacking all day I may be tired. But I am not DEAD!"
WLD
12:38:57 AM
07/31/02


OK WLD, I saw this post. I hear you were planning to sleep under the stars without a tent during your resupply trip with
Snownymph next weekend, and jump in the tent with her only if it rained.

NOT AFTER THAT POST!! Your a$$ is going to be soaking on the ground, I don't care how hard it rains!

Just so you know. :)

BTW, what was Ghandi's success ratio? Nobody's perfect. Sounds like a scam to me.”

“LOL!!! SnowDude to his gal's rescue... kewl!!!!

(Bad, bad WLD!!) LOL”

“And stop practicin rain dancin,WLD! LOL”

“Gotta like snowdude!”

“LOL.

I guess the Snow People are back...can't wait for the pics!”

“Now that is funny stuff! Good one SnowDude!”

“Good one, Dude - but I suspect La Nymph is perfectly capable of defending her own honor.

A friend of mine had just gotten engaged to his gf of 10 years when he went on a Sierra Club trip (without his gf). There was a babe along who didn't have a tent. Guess what? The weather got bad. Always a gentleman, my friend offered her shelter. One thing lead to another and the rest is history. He claimed that if he had been married he would have been a good boy but I think that is a pile of hooey.

That being said - I have shared my tents with men (including that man, in fact) and we have been able to keep to the business at hand (sleeping, that is). Maybe I am not too desirable after miles on the trail, maybe my chastity belt gets the point across.....”

“Pepper, that was my point too. I guess I just don't see why sharing the same sleeping space as a member of the opposite sex automatically has to turn into doing it.”

“Pepperdog --

PLEASE PLEASE forgive me if a) I am wrong, or b) I am bringing up something that you'd rather not re-hash . . .


but, uhhmmmmmmm . . . .isn't there somewhat less of a probability of you being tempted to fool around with a man who is sharing your tent???

[again . . .there are so many posters, across so many subjects, I could simply be confusing you with another woman who had a sexual orientation squabble with someone here]”

“lee - no offense taken.

1. I happen to be involved with a woman at this time - that could change...

2. I can't imagine that a woman's sexual orientation would effect a man's attraction to her, in fact a number of men have made it clear that they would love to help me see the errors of my choice, if you know what I mean.

Mostly the gist of this thread seems to be men saying that they couldn't handle sleeping in a tent with a woman and noone seems to be talking about the actual availability of said woman. I have shared my tent with men who knew and men who didn't know about my current significant other and neither seemed to suffer too much. Maybe this is a reflection on my relative attractiveness (but I have also heard it said that all women look the same in the dark...).”

“I'd have to really trust the gal if she were to share my tent. I doubt, if the moves were really put on me, that I'd not be tempted to do something I'd truly regret later. I'm confident that I would be able to not initiate any hanky-panky, but, oh boy, I am just a guy, you know.”

“Maybe that a lot of what's going unspoken here. Me, personally, I can control myself. Now, I wouldn't share a tent (at least a small one, and alone) with another woman because my wife wouldn't like it. (Yes I did ask) But what if I did, and it was the SEXUALLY AGGRESSIVE woman men are all supposed to be afraid of?

"Well damn, dear, she came on to me and all, and, well, I just couldn't control myself!"”

“Would every man who is willing to admit to being afraid of sexually aggressive women please stand up.....

I thought so.....”

“Its my wife I'm afraid of!!!!

No, truly, what would frighten me is my own stupid behaviors which I swore to give up when I said "I do."”

“I am just a guy, you know."

flyguy6x
04:04:03 PM
08/05/02

Exactly right, flyguy! Nature of the animal, etc.

If I were married, I wouldn't want to share the tent.
But I'm not.... So, if I weren't awake 'doing it', I'd be awake thinking about 'doing it'. Unless, of course, the lady was completly unattractive, in which case, I'd be awake wondering how the hell she got into my tent! Any guy that tells ya different is just trying to be PC, and all that.

I'm just a guy, you know!”

“LOLOLOL!

3:-O Mooooooooooohhahhahaha. This is all so interesting. (is that gonna make a cow, like it does in Yahoo chat?? damn!)”

“Right, and I know my limits. I would enjoy having my resistance tested.

But, alas, at my age there would be other tests. But let's see. It says to take the pill about one hour prior. Heck, by the time the pill is working, I'll be sound asleep. Drat.”

“In answer to your question, pepperDog, I'll raise my hand.

It happened to my Mom's second husband. Met a woman who wouldn't leave him alone. Made our lives hell for awhile. Wouldn't take "Piss off!" for an answer.

It's intellectually dishonest of you to pose a question like that and cut off debate before anyone has a chance to reply.”

“Hodgemans got a point but some of you seem to think women have less of a drive then men.... very not true. They just vent it in other ways then we do.”

“bitpusher - my "I thought so...." comment was for the crowd of guys I saw standing.”

“What does that mean anyway, lol - someone define those little words "I'm just a guy"

If I invite a guy to go backpacking with me, what message is he getting? I know what message I'm sending (does he want to go BACKPACKING), just wondering how it's interpreted. If I was inviting him to go have sex in the woods, I'd SAY "let's go have sex in the woods!"
Don't ya hafta pack special stuff (on purpose) for that these days? Isn't that planning ahead?”

“pepperDog...my apologies if you felt my response was rude or condescending”

“Planning ahead to have sex? Twigeater, he just said "he's a guy!" Don't they start planning ahead to have sex when they are 6 1/2?”

“Guys don't have to plan to have sex, it's naturally engrained in their biological make up. Have parts, will travel.

Plan? Nah..anywhere, anytime, and almost anyway. So, we women just need to accept that and when you marry, be ready to drop 'em and roll at a moments notice. Guys, stay faithful, nuture intimacy and we women will oblige -

"Not that there's anything wrong with that." - Jerry Seinfeld”

“sorry twig but the sight of sweaty women excites us :)
the sight of clean women excites us:)
the site of naked women excites us :)
the sight of dressed women excites us :)

well you get the idea....
Its not an issue of interest but rather one of self control”

“BTW... I dont apologise for being a man. Besides would you really want to live in a world where men find you undesireable?”

“ya well, it's been awhile but I'm pretty sure I remember where all the parts are and how they behave, lol.
What I meant by "planning ahead" is packing protection, kinda like slimmer and his pill....so you couldn't say it "just happened" if you went off backpacking "prepared" could you? Ok you could SAY it, but would anybody believe it?”

“what ? no spontenaety(sp?)? aw twig is the honeymoon over already? j/k :)

I knew what you meant. I could crack a joke about UL packers needing lighter gear :)

We men are always ready but seldom prepared.”

“LOL dirtyoldman, I've worked in my boyfriend's office (now ex) for three years. Many staff meetings he walked away with his notepad in front of him, and all I did was sit there. I'll have to admit it is a powerful feeling. Ok maybe I crossed my legs a few times, but I liked to torture him. :)

I never asked anyone to apologize for anything, and I enjoy it when most men find me desirable. Why are you so defensive? Does your name describe you?”

“Hey crack it dol. (the joke that is)
I want to know about that too - who packs 'em in, who packs 'em out, how many do you pack in, what if you don't bring along enough and your SO is insulted? How much do they weigh before and after, do you have to store them in your bear bag - what?! I think it would be a lightweight packers nightmare! Or maybe not, after all he's probably a GUY and weight wouldn't be an object in that department.
LOL. ;)”

“or maybe she has packed 'em in. She won't tell. Just alittle hand-job. She promises. But wait. Where is she going? Oh boy, Oh boy. I'm in over my head now (sic)”

“OK WLD, I saw this post. I hear you were planning to sleep under the stars without a tent during your resupply trip with
Snownymph next weekend, and jump in the tent with her only if it rained.

NOT AFTER THAT POST!! Your a$$ is going to be soaking on the ground, I don't care how hard it rains!

Just so you know. :)

LOL, I always bring my own tent. But thanks anyway!”

“certainly not going anywhere you are flyguy...”

“<"Ok maybe I crossed my legs a few times, but I liked to torture him. :)" twigeater>

just what I have always suspected...hehehe

1. a true Ultra lighter would cut off 3 inches.
2. If ya go with me youd ave to change yer name to Brancheater :}

ok bad jokes....Back to topic?”

“but, uhhmmmmmmm . . . .isn't there somewhat less of a probability of you being tempted to fool around with a man who is sharing your tent??? -Lee

Lee, I couldn't make the whole Montanapalooza trip, I only got to do an overnighter. Needless to say, I didn't really want to carry a tent for one stupid night. Pepperdog kindly let me share w/ her. I knew about her "sexual orientation." I wasn't thinking, "What if Pepper can't handle this?" She offered to let me share her sleeping space, not get it on. I think the problem isn't men being "just guys" or women being "sexually aggressive." It is a matter of assumptions. Alot of men AND women, for some unknown reason, assume alot about sharing a sleeping space. Why don't people just cut through the crap. If you are a man that invited a lady to share your tent, but you really want to do her, say, "I would love to do you . . . and we can share my tent." If you are a woman that hopes it will rain so that cutie w/out a tent can share w/ you and you can hopefully do him. Don't be a retarded about it, say, "Hey, you could just come in her and we could get it on and then you could quit worrying about the possibility of rain all together." I don't know, that's just me. I think I have plenty-0-self-control and I am usually straight forward if I think I'm going to lose my self-control and I don't assume what someone means. (Is this the sort of post that Matt is going to delete? Did I say "do it" too much?)”

“I for one havent packed any in as I always hike with mrs dirty. I suppose you could ziplock the used ones but im not sure if I want them in my bear bag.”

“Newgirl I couldnt agree more. I have seen far to many misteaks made simply because people wont talk about what they want even when its obvious. I have even had a gal get mad at me for leaving her alone after she said no.”

“Dirty, it is a woman like the one you described that makes problems for all the rest of us. What is the big ordeal? If you want to be that intimate, why can't you speak frankly about it. I would have much more respect for a man that was straight w/ me (in a private, respectful setting), then for one who kept beating around the bush. My little sisters believe in this too. Once my youngest sister had a guy come on to her, but he just wouldn't say what he was after. She finally just started laughing at him and told him to come back when he could be a man about it. Right on little sis!”

“ummm...did you really just say "beating around the bush"?

i thought so. LOLOLOL!! ;-)

that's really cute about your little sister, she sounds cool. however, there is something to be said for mystery and whatnot. whatnever, to each her own.”

“I didn't think about that "bush" remark. I'm so punny!”

“Twiggy, if you are offended by what I typed, I am sorry. I was just trying to not beat around the bush.”

“Also, there is mystery Lyra, and then there is, "You can share my tent," but they really mean, "Let's get it ooooooon!" I don't think of that as mystery, I think of that as misleading.”

“yeah, i see what you're saying...i would think of that as misleading, too.”

“WOW, this thread has really gone on a long time!

"Beating around the bush" LOL, that is too funny..

"BTW, what was Ghandi's success ratio? Nobody's perfect. Sounds like a scam to me."

Snowdude, I saw a program on Biography Channel. It did not say what his success ratio was...
The guy was obviously strange.
The program also said Gandi spent several hours a day studying his own excrement. He was supposably fascinated with it.

By the way Snow Nymph and I made it to the top of Whitney in approx 5.5 hours. I will post a trip report later today”

“newgirl - it's not that you aren't plenty cute but I slept like a baby.

bitpusher - I didn't find your response rude or condescending - mine was a bit flippant. As you assumed, I figured not many men would stand in response to my question (about being afraid of sexually aggressive women).

These "I'm just a man after all" comment is the type that defines the difference between men and women - a woman wants to think that there is something special about her that attracts a man. She doesn't want to think that it is just proximity and reasonable attractiveness. And she really doesn't want to think that she can be replaced by the next reasonably attracive woman who happens to be proximate. Most women, that is.”

“Newgirl: I understand what you are saying, and agree on the need for communication, but I'd hate to see you quite so blunt. There is something to be said for subtlety and expectancy. I like to be flirted with, and to wonder where it's coming from, and going to.”

“LeSubtil, I was over doing it a bit, to make my point. Obviously, I'm not quite so blunt in real life and admit that if a guy actually said, "I want to DO you," I would be a bit taken aback. What I mean is that the flirting and what-not should be in such a manner that both parties are clear on what they are after. I don't think that misleading things should be said (i.e. "Want to share a tent") and assumptions made (i.e. "She offered to share a tent, she must want to do me"). If I offer to share sleeping space w/ a man or woman, then it is to share sleeping space, nothing more. If I'm hoping for something else out of the deal, then my public displays of interest and private forward whisperings will leave no doubts.

Thanks for the compliment Pepper. I didn't sleep that well though, I kept worrying that I would kick you in the head. LOL!”

“Yawn!”

“yes and no pepper... its the window dressing that gets the first notice but quality wins the long run.

I actually understand that girl pretty well, Women are sent some very mixed messages. If ya do your a slut but if ya dont your fridgid. Its a small wonder more women dont go nuts.

sublety is fine but when nether side speaks the same signals the sublety becomes useless. Honesty is far more important to me then some immature coyness which only serves to confuse the issuses. While both sexes speak the same language we use it far differently. Women communicate feelings first while men talk stats first.

"how do you feel about me?"
"oh there 36d and very nice..." :)
(exaggerated of course)

considering how very different life is for men and women it is no surprise we have problems communicating.

sooooo...... who brought the big tent? (for the orgy)”