TC 2002 Charit Lodge Dec 7, 2002-main th read

“OK...on the dishes...do all the judges eat from it..or just one poor sap?...the judges/cooking needs to be centralized..cause if some of this food chills a bit waiting/walking to a judge that's gonna suck.
might have to have alot of door prizes/silly awards for all these prizes
also sometime soon you guys might want a firm say of who is entering what...100 dishes and 3 judges and some of us cooks might have to carry them out.
Still narrowing down my flag decision...hehe..might get a HUGE WHITE one with a color pic of Ron Howard on it!!”

“Red-white-blue-is mine-
How about a state flag from all?

Towndawg-6'th try for an appointment with the local REI-
Can't get a call returned...What do we do?...BRMS title sponsor?

CG-
I tried to contact you via e-mail and could not connect-could I trouble you to try my address?
We do appreciate any help”

“I'll bring a Florida flag.”

“Hmmm Not really into the southern rebel flag...I will stick with a NC state flag..”

“I could find a new Georgia flag, but nobody would recognize it...”

“I was just looking at the trips section on Phil's page and the link for last years TC doesnt work.”

“New Georgia? Where's that?”

“Russia, Father Goose. :-)”

“Miss Opie: I think the link for last years TC is cookoff.htm.. and this years is tc2.htm

But you can always get there by going to http://www.towndawg.com and clicking on trips..

Joshman: Well REI always did think they were a little better.. I dont have a problem with making BRMS the title sponsor.. maybe next year even promoting it that way.. but let's not crap in our next yet.. give them time.

Stikmon: ya.. sorry.. mailbox got full with emails from strippers wanting to know if they can dance at Tc2.”

“Okay REI fans-hit em with emails & phone calls all we want is a chance to present Tc2 to them.

Towndawg & I stopped by once at the Brentwood, Tennessee store-
They asked us to call back....
I have tried---”

“Thanks for your e-mail and for thinking of us to contribute to your cook
off. We get many requests for sponsorship and donations and unfortunately
we have to say no to most of them. We can't provide t-shirts for all of
your goody bags, but we can send you two shirts and a bunch of stickers.

Thanks for your continued support of Dana Design and good luck with the cook
off!

Best regards,

Dawson
Dana Design
19215 Vashon Hwy. SW
Vashon Island, WA 98070
phone 888.357.3262 x 1607
fax 800.972.4066
www.danadesign.com

Keep Them in mind it is fine product-”

“WHOOOHOOOO DANA DESIGNS...lol..goody bags??..ohhh ahhhh

just a thought...when it's all said and done ya might wanna print out a flyer or handout of some sort with every company's logo/name and addy that contributed to give to all the TC2 attendee's”

“You are right-we should.But I think that the folks supporting us are forward thinking people-we should consider them when we make our decisions- but so think the yes voteswhen you consider gear choices.
WE have heard NO many more times than yes-
It is understandable can you imagine how many scum bags are trying to hit these guys up for free stuff every day? Just think about the amount of trash you get every time you sign on...
This is a great vendor and their response to my request:
Dear Mr. Cary,

Thank you for contacting L.L.Bean for support; we appreciate your interest. While we are unable to support your request, I'd like to explain our guidelines to give you an understanding of why we have made this decision.

The primary focus of our giving is in conservation and outdoor recreation. In fact, we've contributed over a million dollars in the last three years, targeting national, regional and statewide organizations that align with L.L.Bean's values of teaching and promoting active stewardship of our natural resources. Some of those recipients include the Appalachian Trail Conference, the Student Conservation Association, Nature Conservancy, Ducks Unlimited and Trout Unlimited, the Chesapeake Bay Foundation, and the National Park Foundation.

In addition to conservation and outdoor recreation, L.L.Bean supports education, health and human services, and the arts. L.L.Bean contributes to health and human services primarily through the United Way organizations in communities where we have a major physical presence.

In Maine, L.L.Bean contributes to statewide education initiatives and local school partnerships. L.L.Bean also funds arts organizations that present cultural events and activities in local Maine communities.

We generally renew our support yearly with those organizations with which we have an established relationship. Our current commitments and guidelines preclude adding your project to our program. Each week's mail brings new requests from hundreds of individuals dedicated to worthwhile projects. We appreciate learning about your involvement and wish it were possible to assist everyone; unfortunately, it is not. We wish you great success with your endeavors.

Best regards,
Janet Wyper
Manager, L.L.Bean Community Relations

We have to hope that we grow our event to the point National vendors will pay attention-

They-Them-you know those who are missing the boat-imagine upwards of 300 gear whores buying stuff from anybody,
I sell-
I will take any 300 people who would like to trade with me any time.
But we have to understand the point of view-it is legit.



>>>”

“hmm...i might have to set up a booth selling new titanium widget keychains and put them on sale for one day only....ever tt'er would have to have it...

1.because it's new.
2.because it's titanium
3.because they don't have one yet.
4.cause they only have one.
5.because it's on sale.”

“for custom crafted hiking sticks, but that would make me a whore. I'm not gonna use this event nor any of you to benefit myself...but if your interested, talk privatly to me...I'm such a whore.”

“Stikmon-you widdle hussy-

BTW-
Keep the pressure on folks-

Hey judges-how about some categories-
OPEN- true Iron Chef rules exchange food packs and cook it-
MRE- nuff said
Prepackaged backpacker crud-
Breakfast
Lunch
Ramen
Chili

As long a NO gas grills of any kind are allowed-or tolerated.”

“provide the same main ingrediants, and have people cook there own special meal with there own spices and assoccesory items that they bring. To enter the special "iron Man" contest an entry fee can be set and paid for by those that want to enter that particular contests. That entry fee will pay for the food that is purchased and provided.

Man, I'd enter that in a heart beat. To use my imagination, on the spot and under the clock, in the backcountry would be TOO cool!!! and right, no gas grills!”

“white gas?
lol”

“are ok...right...just no big propane grills...right?”

“What the hecks this crap? It took building three different smoke ovens before I got a working model, ( one that didn't blow up or catch fire). And this one's propane powered. My big smokers are not propane, but there no way to pack them in. With the design of a small oven it was very important for exact heat control, thus propane. How in the heck am I going to smoke my chicken now.”

“Get the really wide papers.”

“and no da.m.n matches allowed either!”

“bitpusher - good one, I knew that would come up, but stay away from any choking comments”

“ok

This thread is supposed to stay pristine anyway, for sponsors...”

“"This thread is supposed to stay pristine anyway, for sponsors..."

Hey right! That's another good joke. Like they wouldn't read any of the other threads on this site. Never saw such a collection of freaks in my life. lol”

“Yes. I always thought that was a bit of wishful thinking.”

“The expression 'not ready for prime time' comes to mind, <VBG>.

Who said they were going to contact the Outdoor Life Network? LOL”

“Stikmon. He's in the cable industry.”

“Skikmon is the "Cable Guy"”

“It may be just me- & some sour grapes-
But last years rules stated very clearly no propane grills would be allowed.
It seems that one may have made its way to Fiery Gizzard any way,I did not see it myself.
I really don't care if they are to be allowed or not-lets just say aye or nay beforehand.

Hey Stikmon-
How about the open competitors trade food parcels prepared before hand-It would have to contain all the items needed to make the meal-
Just no recipes...”

“"As long a NO gas grills of any kind are allowed-or tolerated."

JOSH MAN
07:17:23 PM
08/28/02

"of any kind", so what type of stoves are allowed? White gas?, no that's a gas. Blended fuel canisters?, nope again gas. Or are these fine so long as there is no grill attached?

I read last years rules and there was nothing said about gas.

http://members.tripod.com/towndawg/rules.htm

I'm being a smart aleck here, but really if my homemade, propane fired, lightweight, packable, smoker oven is not allowed just because it's burning propane, then all stoves got to go.

(notice that I didn't mention "SAFE" in the description still undergoing testing)”

“TOWNDAWGS rules are I believe to be taken with a tongue firmly planted in a cheek- I cannot find the thread about last year.
I believe the spirit of the rule was to exclude only propane gas grills like you would use in the backyard- or a tailgate party..
It was his rule-not mine. I HAVE IT FROM A GOOD AUTHORITY it was violated-no big deal really-
Like I said just my sour grapes.”

“I was just a little on edge, I have spent a lot of time trying to make this smoker work without it blowing up or catching fire. I have ruined two cheap one burner stoves in the process.

Let's make wine out of them grapes.”

“i say as far as propane ..if it's a store bought patio grill that takes no skill then don't allow it..or if they want to lug it in..let them..but let it all figure into the score....maybe make a point column on what type of equipment was used...if i'm using a whisperlight..someone else is using an esbit..another on a propane grill/smoker/burner and yet another cooked over a fire..i'd think that would show differing levels of skill and should be reflected somewhat”

“I aggree Opie-If they want to haul it in OK-
I don't even think it should be a deduction-that is up to the judges.
Just don't hide it.
Stalker-PLEASE smoke some salmon.
Have you tried the heat source they
use under fondue pots? I think you use alcohol-it is like sterno on steroids.”

“did the person with the hidden grill win because of it?..that's the question...i love it when pple use steroids and still suck!”

“I just looked at some - either in a gel or liquid. Little concerned about leaving a bad taste on the meat. Thanks though

Salmon, I could do that for ya.

Smoker Run Down
A smoker oven really only needs three things - a heat source - smoke - and something to contain the heat and smoke. Here is my lightweight smoker-oven thus far.

The burner from a gas grill has been holding up to the heat, and I am able to control the heat. Over the burner I place a pan with wood chips. A cardboard box is raised above the burner and chips. The meat racks (baking cooling racks)are attached inside the box. Vents at the top allow for additional heat control and good air flow (which is also important,unless you like a scorched taste).

Last week I smoked a pork roast that turned out great. (200-225 degrees for about three hours)

I am going to try the oven later this week without the wood chips and see if I can bake a pie in it.
Don't know if the box will handle the higher heat. I will line it with foil. How does pecan pie sound?”

“stalker...i'd love to see this thing...i'm in need of an oven like heat to melt my cheese...lmao”

“When I was in girl scouts we made a cake once in a cardboard box lined with foil. It turned out really good.”

“Opie - I don't have a digital camera or I would send ya a picture.
I forgot to mention that a heat baffle (foil) needs to be placed below the rack directly over the heat source. This disperses the heat, evening out the whole oven temp. If not the heat would column straight up the center of the oven. I believe this heat baffle has also been the cause of my burner melt downs. This increases the temp in the stove area.

If all ya wanted was to melt cheese on your dish or even bake a cake, then I would suggest playing around with your cardboard foil lined bx and some charcoal bricketts. You should be able to easily hold a steady temp for a hour or so. I would look at those foil roaster pans to put the charcoal in. (very lightweight) Just make sure that the charcoal is completely white or you may end up with a foul taste. Use some sticks to hold the box up over the foil pans. I have been using some lath (sp) and a staple gun.

Or the indirect heat method would be like the scouts use. Put your food up on some small rocks, Place Foil lined bx, w/one end cut out, over your food. Hot coals placed near the open end.

If ya have any ?, axe away.”

“Hey, I know this is a cooking kinda adventure, but will we actually have use of the lodge, Towndawg?

Is anyone thinking about entertainment..like musical instruments? I was thinking we could jam - I'll bring my guitar - but would prefer to store it inside if it's gonna be cold.

Anyone else bringing a musical toy?

Tex”

“the lodge is OURS!!!! *runs up to plant his flag on the highest point!!!!!..he said it is ours..all ours!!”

“Stalker-one of the guys on Food Network insists that hardwood sawdust is way better than chips-just bring more-
Tx Woodswoman the lodge/cabins are to sleep 48 on a 1st come 1st serve prepaid basis of course-contact Td for details-
Opie-shoot me an e-mail....

Btw who is on board for sure to date 09/03/02?
Me and at least 6....”

“you know I'll be there. Where should I send the stuff I have from NatGeo?”

“Josh - Good idea, I will give it a try. My stepson Starburst and myself.

Tex - Find those pic's yet? Could be a long walk from Little Rock.

Stinkmon - Did I hear you say that you would carry in the beer for this thing? Yes. Good I will leave a couple of cases in the back of my truck at the TH - Just pick it up and carry it on in, thanks.”

“Stikmon - I don't know if two cases will be enough, how about 3, thanks”

“Me and Miss Opie are in...and maybe 2 of my college buds. Stalker..the beer will be left in your truck???...we'll carry it in...we won't have the cans..but we'll have the beer with us when we reach camp!!”

“Who is bringing the Hooters Girls?”

“Opie - You can't leave any, beer, along the trail - you have to bring it all in to camp.

Chili - Hooter Girls? I love orange shorts!!! I will see if I can capture a few! How do you look in orange shorts?”