The Cost of Bush's Folly

“oh ya isreal and bush not the murders of thousands”

“huh?”

“Why do people post things that we have no control over!

Its not like we can pick up the phone and tell Bush that we don't like something ya know what I mean????

Look sometimes the goverment is good to us and other times they just flat out suck so what can ya do?

8|”

“crazy mike,
This argument is playing itself out all over the world. It might as well happen in here. We can't talk about gear all the time.
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Mutt,
"What if? Well, the U.S. wouldn't sit idle in Iraq and watch radical muslims set up a stable gov't in SA. The U.S. would have a good excuse to clean up the mess in SA."
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Whaddaf*ck? Is that a correct quote Mutt? Of all the lame brain idiotic ideas I've heard lately. I'm almost at the point of calling you names on that one. You want to start Armageddon? If ever in our wildest dreams we thought that we could occupy Saudi Arabia ....
You really don't have a clue do you?
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And as far as your statement that the Israelis don't have to worry about the militaries of those countries (Iraq,Iran,Libya,Syria, Egypt, etc). That may be the case now but one day the situation could change. Hence their urgentcy for us to do something now! The overall regional demographics are changing. Muslim countries in the Middle East (including the West Bank) have some of the highest birthrates in the world. These birth rates and the large numbers of those people living in poverty could be a factor for radical change. Islam as a unifying and militant religion/force has been sleeping since the conclusion of the Crusades. The question is, will the USA in her misguided quest for world hemogeny and this so-called 'War on Terror' wake Islam up on a large scale?
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Now as far as Israel doing what they want with the Palestinians anytime they want? Of course they could or would if no one was looking. But Israel likes to project the idea that as a nation it exists on some higher moral plane. Many people are fooled by this. It lets the Israelis get away with a lot humanitarian abuse of the Palestinians. But most of the world is getting wiser. Even some people in the U.S. The Israelis better start dealing straight up with the Palestinians and a lot of other people. They think they are going to bully their way into peace. In reality they are going to reap a whirlwind.

Violin,
The Israelis have been playing this country like a drum almost since the birth of Israel. They are not good allies of the U.S. I promised Mutt we would cover this topic in another thread and we will. But I want to cite my sources. I'm gathering information now. Stay tuned.”

“May 23, 2000, Gore addressed the American Israel Political Action Committee - known in Germany as "the Jewish lobby" – and said this: "In 1991 I broke with many of my own party and voted to use force to stop Saddam Hussein's aggression in the Middle East."

"Despite our swift victory and all our efforts since, there is no doubt in my mind that Saddam Hussein still seeks to amass weapons of mass destruction. You know as well as I do: as long as Saddam Hussein stays in power, there can be no comprehensive peace for the people of Israel or the people of the Middle East. We have made it clear that it is our policy to see Saddam Hussein gone."


how can anybody take this clown seriously? violin, you are smarter than this....tell me how he can be considered valid when he has totally done a 180 now that his boy clinton isn't running the show. also, why did clinton pass up the chance to get osama, twice?
also also, why did clinton invade haite? how come that was ok?”

“"You want to start Armageddon? If ever in our wildest dreams we thought that we could occupy Saudi Arabia ....
You really don't have a clue do you?"

Why the ascerbic tone? And why do you assume I meant occupation? Let me ask you a couple questions. If, after we overthrow Iraq, SA disintigrates, do you honestly believe the U.S. would do nothing to influence the outcome? Do you honestly believe that sending a conquering army in to that situation is the only method the U.S. has at its disposal to deal with that situation?

We import roughly 15% of our oil on a daily basis from Saudi Arabia. There is no way we would sit idly by in neighboring Iraq with our thumbs up our butts watching our most valued source of oil go up in smoke.

And if your opinion differs on this, then in addition to calling my argument "lame-brain idiotic", have the stones to put forth your argument.”

“Just go ahead and nuke Mecca and Medina.”

“al bore?



anybody?”

“strat -

President Elect Gore has not done an about face on Iraq. This portion of Monday's speech at the Commonwealth Club in San Francisco illustrates that:

"Nevertheless, Iraq does pose a serious threat to the stability of the Persian Gulf and we should organize an international coalition to eliminate his access to weapons of mass destruction. Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to completely deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."”

“Thanks Violin!

Some of these "dudes" are pathological when it comes to political ideology.

What Gore had to say was thoughtful and appropriate.
Many of us have grave concerns about the cowboy attitude of Bush's handlers.

The "War Is A Racket" aspect of the Butch administration's plan is transparent to me.”

“Yup. It's becoming more and more apparent that Bushie just wants to draw attention away from the stumbling economy...

"Such rhetoric represents something of a shift for the administration. When there were marked signs of the economy stumbling in the summer, Bush spoke daily about the economy's health to demonstrate his concern. In recent days, however, the proportion of Bush's stump speech devoted to domestic concerns has slipped from about 50 percent to about 20 percent.

The shift has come despite a flood of grim new economic statistics. The Dow Jones industrial average fell yesterday to its lowest level in four years, and the Nasdaq composite index hit a six-year low as consumer confidence and corporate earnings slipped."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A62783-2002Sep24.html”

“It's Algore's fault. He invented Iraq.”

“This administration is a real Tax And Spend machine.

The contractors are lining up for a big bonanza should a war get going.

".....man, this war's a go-go..."”

“We have made it clear that it is our policy to see Saddam Hussein gone."
al gore said it, not me.


tom, i am not a liar, as you inferred. what al gore said is anything to oppose the bush administration. and i bet you 10 bucks those were terry mcaulif's words, ,not his. i will site more examples. and if you think bush is a tax-n-spender...yer the liar. he gave us a tax cut...remember? i imagine that you gave it back though since you think taxes are so wonderful, being a flaming liberal n all....

"If you're going after Jesse James, you ought to organize the posse first." al gore

he's complaining that we need a coalition....like the one his administration let disintigrate over 8 years.

rosey---The Dow Jones industrial average fell yesterday to its lowest level in four years, and the Nasdaq composite index hit a six-year low as consumer confidence and corporate earnings slipped."

let's think this through....lowest dow in 4 years....that would have been......when?.........UNDER CLINTON AND GORE! correct!

ok, 6 year low in consumer confidence...that would have been....uhhhm......when?.....UNDER CLINTON/GORE! CORRECT AGAIN!

betcha you weren't biotchin then!


Former Vice President Al Gore harshly criticized President Bush's push for war against Iraq, saying it has hurt U.S. standing worldwide and could dangerously undermine the rule of international law....


the rule of law?!?!?!? LMFAO0oooooOo0o0ooo0oo! from al gore?!?!??!?! oooohyeah, very appropriate!


"If we end the war in Iraq the way we ended the war in Afghanistan, we could easily be worse off than we are today," Mr. Gore said.

ended the war in afghanie? uhhm....can someone tell me how we ended that? did all our soldiers come home and nobody told us? ludicrus!


"Bush should not allow anything to distract us from the mission of avenging the murder of 3,000 Americans."


that is the whole point of what bush is doing. mohamid atta met with iraqi afficials in germany 2 mnths before 9-11. that's good enough for me.”

“Mohammed Atta is only alleged to have met with Iraqi officials in Germany.

There are still terrorists in the Phillipines and U.S.

Bush has fired no one from his cabinet, Condeleeza Rice has proven to be incompetent about National Security... they are creating a whole new government department (that I have to pay for) so they can be politically correct.

Bush told the U.N. to act or we would, now that they are he changed his mind. He lied, he lied about his military service, he lied about his community service for his DUI... This guy is dirty and he's playing everyone.

He is willing to get people killed to look good instead of dealing with the problem...”

“I'll just requote you.
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"Well, the U.S. wouldn't sit idle in Iraq and watch radical muslims set up a stable gov't in SA. The U.S. would have a good excuse to clean up the mess in SA."
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So I guess what you're saying is that if someone happens to set up a stable government in Saudi Arabia and they happen to be radical Muslims we have the right to clean them out? Even if the citizens of Saudia Arabia want radical Muslims to run their country? But I thought America was all about democracy Mutt?
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And then about this quote~
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"If, after we overthrow Iraq, SA disintigrates, do you honestly believe the U.S. would do nothing to influence the outcome?"
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According to Bush's logic, overthrowing Sadam will bring stability to the Middle East. Therefore we won't have to clean up a mess in S.A. will we? ..... Gosh what if we do have to clean up a mess in S.A. ? Sounds like a 'USA ... the policeman of the world' type operation to me.
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Finally about this quote~
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"Do you honestly believe that sending a conquering army in to that situation is the only method the U.S. has at its disposal to deal with that situation?"
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According to our fearless leader, sending in a conquering Army is just about the only solution that works for that sort of problem. I guess we should just trust him right?”

“don;BS#1---Bush told the U.N. to act or we would, now that they are he changed his mind

untrue, bush said act NOW or we will act alone. the un said uhhhmmm ok, well start checkin on him, but it's gonna be about a year till it all gets rolling.....not good enough. it gives the bad guys alot of time to do make bad stuff & hide it...or give it to worse guys. this is EXACTLY what bush said he'd do & he meant it. ya'll are readin this guy wrong, i'm tellin ya.




don BS #2---He is willing to get people killed to look good instead of dealing with the problem


this is absurd. he is totally dealing with the problem. he is PROTECTING american lives, which he & every person at his disposal, who all entered into it willingly, is sworn to do. the people he is protecting are the innocent ones that have not agreed to go into harms way. people like you. if there is another attack, who will you blame? lemme guess.....


don BS #3--they are creating a whole new government department (that I have to pay for) so they can be politically correct

so you don't like being PC? the whole concecpt is straight form the liberal playbook. and you don't think you should be paying for your nations security? wow, you ARE special, aren't you?



According to our fearless leader, sending in a conquering Army is just about the only solution that works for that sort of problem. I guess we should just trust him right?"
solitary hiker
10:00:06 PM
09/25/02


SH, no, bush tried to get unhampered inspections or else....but saddam says no, we'll do it my way.....so, it's or else time.......even if you don't trust him, why not support him? he is the nations leader. like it or not. do you wish him harm? you seem so hostile, you lefties.

and condie rice ROCKS! you aint no racist are ya mr. liberal? (common ploy of libs to play the race card when one of "theirs" is criticized--- meant tounge in cheek)”

“stratdew-
I did not infer that you are a liar.
I'm sorry if that is how what I said sounded.
I like you and believe you are honest enough, just a bit delusional with everything being blamed on "the liberals" including the failure of your aquarium business.

Pathological means, caused by or involving disease.

So much of the political talk from the right is like a disease.
Think Joe McCarthy.

Seemingly, everything is blamed on the dreaded liberals such as, El Nino, hurricanes, western wildfires, Sept 11, bad hair, and probably many things that I can't even dream up.

So, you are not a liar, just SICK!

There, I've stepped in it and tracked it all over the house.

hugs and kisses,
Tom Terrific”

“blameing "the liberals" including the failure of your aquarium business.
---never said that and actually denied that to phaed after he (as you) wrongly implied that i said it. i said my business was hurt by a huge tax increase, as we're many others in the service industry.

Seemingly, everything is blamed on the dreaded liberals such as, El Nino, hurricanes, western wildfires, Sept 11, bad hair,...


HUH!?!?! dood....dood, doood, doood........you have really got to be kidding me. i mean it, yer trolling right? look at some earth first literature & see who blames who for elnino or wildfires......

ok, ,the bad hair i'll grantcha! might wanna check into a new shampoo er sumpthin......just a tip, no need to thank me.


i like you too tom. it's prolly not yer fault that you have beeen snookered into the misbeliefs you have. just don't listen to tom brokaw or dan rather so much. i wouldn't call it sick....brainwashed maybe, but not sick, lol.

i actually used to be a liberal just like you.....then i decided to examine why i was a liberal, and realized that it's all(in their minds) based on the aquition and holding of power, not about logical thought.”

“Ha ha!

I don't listen to Brokaw or Rather.
Those clowns are just workin' for the conservative corporate establishment anyway.

After the commercialization of Sept 11, '01 I rarely watch TV news.
...."America's New War.....buy some today!"

Wash your own hair....Ditto Head!!!”

“oh man.....you are farther gond than i thought. if you really think any of the "big meedia" is conservative....oh geesh! yer stealing conservative issues & it's all too well documented these days to proove. might wanna look at both sides before you decide on these things.


what's america's new war? i'll check it out. i am open to opposing views, unlike MANY ....MOST of the liberals are on this board. guess they're scared they might drop outta vougeness......gotta link?


allright....who stole my perk plus?!?!?!??”

“The Atta - Iraqi intelligence meeting was reported by Czech counterintelligence. This organization is partially made up of former KGB operatives. I’m not too surprised that our CIA and FBI have some doubts our CIA and FBI have some doubts about the veracity of those reports.

Not to speak for donman or solitary hiker, but not everyone who holds a viewpoint opposed to yours is a stinking liberal, dewd. I may be wrong but I think donman has Libertarian leanings and sh is a _0; devotee, nostalgic for the days of Mussolini and Franco.”

“Jeeze. I guess I should proof read my posts before I post them. Sorry about the stuttering. I also meant to say that sh is a Buchannan devotee.”

“Yeah, last year CNN had a "slogan" or whatever......"America's New War"

Who owns the media???
Liberals???
That's a good one!

Yoo yoozed to be a liberal?

Now you're a conswervative?

Gee, I'm sorry.......so ya lost touch with reality, huh?”

“Thanks, Violin!

Atta Boy!”

“that has 'dewd" in their name but in this case I'll make an exception.
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I sir, I'm not a liberal. In the future never call me 'Mr. Liberal'.
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I'm a Buchanan isolationist just like Presidents Washington, Jefferson, Adams, Madison, and Admas were.
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Furthermore I don't see the future value of NATO, the IMF, the WTO, the U.S. Federal Reserve, the Ponzi scheme called Social Security, or Clinton Democrats and Bush Republicans.
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I'm against GATT, NAFTA, or any other so-called free trade laws that allow corporations loot this country and pay slave labor wages in other countries and pollute.
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I think that English should be the official language of the country and if the illegal aliens don't like it, round them up and throw them out.
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I think the War on Drugs is about as stupid and ineffective as the so called War on Terror. In other words legalize homegrown smoke and watch the crime and incarceration rates plunge.
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I'm against abortion as a method of birth control but I still think guys like Jeffery Dahmer and pedophiles that murder little boys and girls should fry.
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I think that the Palestinians are human beings as and such should be treated that way. Desparate people do desparate things. Give young Palestinians a reason NOT to blow themselves up.
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I'm a card carrying member of the NRA. Just renewed my membership for three more years. Hillary dammit, leave my guns alone and I'll help you keep the oil companies from drilling in the ANWR.
>And finally last but not least. I'm an unreconstructed Secessionist. I love R.E.Lee, A.P.Hill, N.B. Forrest, Stonewall Jackson etc and by God if they had carried it off I wouldn't have to be argueing with you damn Yankees about this!”

“I am an Army veteran, what they are saying about Hussein and "WMD" (if it's a military term it's brand new, but I suspect it's a marketing term to whip people into a frenzy) is the same thing they were saying 10 years ago. They also said stuff about ripping babies out of incubators in Kuwait, and now everyone acknowledges it was a lie.

I AM NOT A "LIBERAL", and I'm not a puppet to anybodies media.

Maybe Al Queda is connected to Iraq, but considering all of the money Al Queda did they need Iraq's help?

We have been creating wars in the middle east, we need to act against Saudi Arabia (diplomatically) NOW! Saddam is currently being used as a scapegoat! Osama may still be around, his plots get bigger and bigger. The American government has ignored him long enough!

Bush is a lying cheating A-Hole who is separating himself from his Enron buddies that created the U.S. Energy policy for the Bush Administration! I'm so sick and tired of corrupt Presidencies! I'm sick of people bandwagoning into a political party and looking for excuses, or examples of why the other party is worse!

When can we STOP #&%!$ing about Clinton, Regan, Bush, Nixon and move on??? Our economy sucks, our national security sucks, our immigration sucks, our children are getting worse and worse every generation and all everyone wants to do about it is complain how bad the liberal/conservatives are!”

“The Immorality of Preventive War
By Arthur Schlesinger, Jr.
Mr. Schlesinger, the historian and a onetime aide to President Kennedy, is the author, most recently, of A Life in the Twentieth Century: Innocent Beginnings, 1917-1950.

One of the astonishing events of recent months is the presentation of preventive war as a legitimate and moral instrument of U.S. foreign policy.

This has not always been the case. Dec. 7, 1941, on which day the Japanese launched a preventive strike against the U.S. Navy, has gone down in history as a date that will live in infamy. During the Cold War, advocates of preventive war were dismissed as a crowd of loonies. When Robert Kennedy called the notion of a preventive attack on the Cuban missile bases "Pearl Harbor in reverse," and added, "For 175 years we have not been that kind of country," he swung the ExCom--President Kennedy's special group of advisors--from an airstrike to a blockade.

The policy of containment plus deterrence won the Cold War. After the collapse of the Soviet Union, everyone thanked heaven that the preventive-war loonies had never got into power in any major country.

Today, alas, they appear to be in power in the United States. Rebaptizing preventive war as preemptive war doesn't change its character. Preventive war is based on the proposition that it is possible to foretell with certainty what is to come.

The Bush administration hawks just know, if we do not act today, that something horrible will happen to us tomorrow. Vice President Dick Cheney and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld evidently see themselves as Steven Spielberg's "precogs" in "Minority Report," who are psychically equipped to avert crimes that are about to be committed.

Certainty about prediction is an illusion. One thing that history keeps teaching us is that the future is full of surprises and outwits all our certitudes.

Consider the instant case: Iraq. The policy of containment plus deterrence has kept Saddam Hussein behind his own frontiers for the last decade.

What is it that our Pentagon precogs know he is plotting to do? What is the clear and present danger, the direct and immediate threat, to justify sending the Army into Iraq?

Do the administration's precogs expect that he will use his mass-destruction arsenal against Kuwait? Against Israel? Against the United States?

Since Hussein is not interested in suicide, he is unlikely to do any of these things. Aggression would play into American hands. By using his weaponry, Hussein would give the U.S. president his heart's desire: a reason the world would accept for invading Iraq and enforcing "regime change."

The one contingency that would very probably lead Hussein to resort to his ghastly weapons would be just this invasion of Iraq by the U.S.

Meanwhile, the containment policy seems to be working. If it doesn't work, war is always an option. And Hussein, after all, is mortal. He is sure to be gone one of these days. What is so vital about getting rid of him next week or next month?

The possibilities of history are far richer and more various than the human mind is likely to conceive--and the arrogance of leaders who are sure they can predict the future invites retribution.

"The hardest strokes of heaven," the English historian Sir Herbert Butterfield has written, "fall in history upon those who imagine that they can control things in a sovereign manner, playing providence not only for themselves but for the far future--reaching out into the future with the wrong kind of farsightedness, and gambling on a lot of risky calculations in which there must never be a single mistake."

Unilateral preventive war is neither legitimate nor moral. It is illegitimate and immoral. For more than 200 years we have not been that kind of country.”

“I like that last graph, Donman. My sentiments exactly. We're raising a generation of lazy, spoiled, stupid idiots who think playing video games is what life's all about.”

“Have you ever noticed when watching the news and they are doing a story on Al Queda (sp)they often show some film footage of them going through terrorist training......... guys (faces covered) in what look like dresses going across a set of monkey bars.

I know that these guys can be very dangerous, but that image always cracks me up. They look like playground geeks, wusses, mommies-boys, etc. No wonder they slink around and strike innocent unsuspecting people.

Just a thought.”

“A friend of mine found some old movie trailers in her grandparent’s barn (they used to own a movie theater). They were from WWII and showed Nazis goose-stepping and then backing up, going forward, backing up. They had Hitler doing his sig heil salute over and over by running the tape back and forth. It really did a good job of turning a scary bogeyman into a bafoon. With today’s technology, just imagine what someone could do with that al Quada training camp tapes.”

“Schlesinger makes a great case. BTW how do you guys do italics and bold print in here. I've tried to do it in MSWord first and then cut and paste it into the post box, but it always returns to the basic TT print font.”

“<i>italics</i>
<b>bold</b>
<strong>strong</strong>”

“and

<font size=4>large font</font>”

“What is so vital about getting rid of him next week or next month?

There's an election on, Arthur!

Watch for his testimony before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee to be replayed on C-SPAN over the next few days.


Perhaps we should begin bombing Baghdad early on the morning of the 7th of December... just for consistency's sake.”

“1. Its not about the cost.
2. Even it were about the cost, it would be worth it.

This is the scenario where we know Hitler is going to kill 8,000,000 Jews. Do we say, "man it would cost a lot to go over there. And maybe he won't do anything." We have plenty of indication that Sadaam will do Hitler one better.

On the cost, it looks like blowing up two big buildings in NY cost us 176 billion in loss of value of 401Ks. What would the cost to us be if all of NY were obliterated? Is that worth a 20 B investment to stop? Sounds like a bargain to me.”

“well said bob.

don, we have alot in common politically.i just try to respond to what people in here say. i try to make points to show my point of view. i have no more use for whining and excuses than you do. perhaps you could do the same, instead of whining about my support of bush. he's not perfect, i agree. who would you rather have in charge? and why are you an anti-dewdite?


SH, we have alot more in common politically than not---that last paragraph kinda skeered me though. i was born in texas, lived there and oklahoma and arkansas all my life. i am no yankee. but i do believe that lincoln was the greatest president in our history. isolationism is an antiquated notion, sorry to say.


violin, that article made some good valid points. my biggest fear is that hussein will aid and abbed terrorist. i believe iran is just as untrustworthy in that respect.


btw, if you're doing a large font...where do you put that font size thingy you showed us? before the whole post?

tom, 91% of journalist voted for bill clinton. it's a varifyable fact that anyone who really wants to know can look up. it's merely one example. i know that libs hate all big coperations, which all the big media is owned by. but the people in the back rooms, that decide what to report and what not to report, are vastly liberal. just as the vast majority of teachers & entertainers are. gotta hand it to them, they covered the right places to influence the stupid, lazy masses. and please don't make fun of my dixlecia.

rosey, i agree totally. my previous paragraph, IMO explains how this situation came about.


jo, lol! i have thought the same thing.

tilt, gimme a beer biotch!”

“PBR, right?


SD,

Seeing as how our fellow Southerners were solidly Democratic since before the Civil War and only began to vote Republican after the passage of Civil Rights legislation in the mid-1960s, your remark about race relations vis à vis 'liberal' politics is extremely ironic... beeeeatch.”

“Violin, Tom T, Dun, et al. GIVE IT A F^CKIN" REST ALREADY! YOUR BOY LOST! DEAL WITH IT!!!!”

“And as for you, Tilt, your insinuation that republicans are innately racist is extremely offensive. I'm a registered republican (as if you didn't know by now) and I believe my views on racism are well-documented on this site! It's a good thing for both of us that you're one state over...You want to press one of my hot buttons, you just did it, bubba!!!”

“Sorry, Tilt. That's just a real sore subject with me. Buy ya a beer???”

“The facts are there. I didn't make them up. If you don't like it, I really cannot help you there. Draw whatever inference you like.

You might want to check out what your fellow Republicans at Bob Jones University have to say about Catholics. It's well documented and got quite a bit of air-time during the Republican primary when they rallied behind George Bush to defeat McCain. If they freak out like that about Catholics, G-d Only Knows what they think of Jews, Blacks and Presbyterians!

I think it's THEM you have a problem with, not me.


And I'm not your 'bubba'.”

“I think going through the televised Civil War Experience again stirs up a lot of crap, LOL

It's just a mess, isn't it?”

“And I'm NObody's 'bubba' --- nothing personal.”

“Did you know that the one of the two political parties in our country has elected a former Klu Klux Klan member to the U.S. Senate?”

“Robert Byrd, right? I'm sure you haven't forgotten David Duke, <G>.”

“I gave Byrd a ton of crap a couple of years ago when he was lobbying the White House to have environmental laws relaxed so his 'friends' in the coal industry could dump those mountaintops they cut off into the valleys.

I sent him one of his own quotes... one he made in reference to Clinton after the Monica story hit the fan:

"Where have all the heroes gone?"”

“When I saw Byrd make the observation that "there are white niggers" on Fox News Sunday, I almost fell out of my chair. I figured that such an offensive, outrageous comment made on national television would be met with protests and demands for the 83-year-old senator’s resignation. So far, there's been no such reaction.

Of course, we all know what's going on here. The colorful senator from West Virginia is the oldest Democrat in the U.S. Senate. As a Democrat, he regularly toes the party line (he was on Fox to criticize President Bush's tax plan). But this Democratic senator has an embarrassing past when it comes to race relations: As a young man, he was actually a member of the Ku Klux Klan. So perhaps his bigoted, ignorant choice of words Sunday should come as no surprise

Turning to the Democratic Party’s political stances, one finds another embrace of slavery. The very first Democrat Platform, drafted in 1840, spells out this position clearly, going so far as to assert that “all efforts…made to induce congress to interfere with questions of slavery” would “diminish the happiness of the people” of the United States. The 1854 Democrat Platform called for “NON-INTERFERENCE BY CONGRESS WITH SLAVERY IN STATE AND TERRITORY.” The 1860 Democrat platform continued this dubious tradition and pledged that the party would abide by the infamous Dred Scott decision of the Supreme Court from two years earlier.

In another notable incident, an account of the 1928 Democratic National Convention in Houston reported that Black alternate-delegates were separated by a large wire cage-like divider from the rest of the participants. This was the segregationist reality in many Democratic Party factions that would form the backbone of FDR’s liberal “New Deal Coalition” only a few years later.

Blanket generalizations, anyone? Take that, BUBBA!”

“Sounds like you got fired up again, <GRIN>. Are you under the mistaken impression that I'm a Democrat? LOL

Good grief. I've voted in just about every election I could possibly vote in since 1976 (I think I've missed a couple of school board special elections and whatnot) and I have never registered with ANY political party. If you expect me to defend Democrats, better think again! LOL

'Bubba'... LOL”

“No, I try to avoid making blanket generalizations (actually, I thought you were libertarian...) :-)”