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“This is a joke, yes? Sorry I'm tired.”
“Do you even have a clue? Did you mean dissent ?
USA, your grammar and punctuation is incorrect.”
“Yeah... I remember all you wingers getting worked up about the lawsuits, death threats and hecklers that tried to prevent Michael Moore from speaking at Utah Valley State College. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000A7BQVU/002-1374655-5646450?v=glance&n=130/
"Free speech is free speech" you said. "Debate the ideas, don't attack the messenger."
The left has so much to learn from you folks.
last edited: 12/09/05 7:02:07 PM”
“So it is a joke?”
“It must be.”
“The exact same thing happened when Shawn Hannity came to Utah V. You can't deny that this shlt comes from the left a hell of a lot more than from the right. Oh, no you don't.”
“He11, violin does the same thing.
He posted some html code into a couple of my threads he didn't like to freeze them up.
It's a libbie thing.
They hate Free Speech.
No question about it.”
“True. Then again the left only believe in the rights THEY like.
The right has their sacred cows also.”
“Ohh, a religious reich wank fest over annie”
“No Y2, you silly Brit. ;-)
It's about how Democrat Hypocrites Hate Free Speech.”
“All Republicans are Nazis”
“Actually, if one knows anything about history.
This same behavior of the libbies is just what the Nazis did in prewar. Brown Shirts would fit very well on these libbies.”
“All Libertarians are...........uh...............Anarchists with money!”
“BM, not too far from right. Not anachist, but just a lot more localized order rather than in your bedroom federal.”
“Removing oneself from the hind teet of the federal government can be a scarey thing, I understand. It can be done though.”
“The left has a long history of shouting down, boycotting, defaming and trying to silence free speech.”
“Medicaid Saved my life so you can all F*** Off!
Gotta go! ;)”
“i dont get the title of this thread:
"freedom of speech, get a clue"
is there a person nameed "freedom of speech" who needs to get a clue? i dont have a clue. maybe mtn gal should have her first amendment rights yanked if she cant grammarize rightly :-D”
“Freedom to speak has to include enough volumne to compete with other voices,we ain't talking sunday school girls here.”
“Silencing people by heckling is pretty f-ing stupid and pretty f-ing fascistic no matter who does it.
Tactics like the bingo card, a counter meeting, holding protest signs all make good sense. Not letting someone speak their opinions does not.
Coulter, by the way, loves this publicity. Those who shouted her down make themselves look worse and harm their own cause.”
“wouldnt surprise me if they were on coulters payroll”
“That is a pretty outrageous thing to say. Why is it so hard to believe that liberals shouted her down? They do it all the time. You don't have to pay them. If that worked we could just pay you to shut up.”
“Ignorance can be cured, but the person has to make some effort.”
“If that worked we could just pay you to shut up.”
im not a liberal you generalizing hack”
“Not a liberal? What are you? Certainly not a conservative and hardly a moderate.”
“do liberals oppose abortion? do liberals oppose the current welfare system? do liberals oppose affirmative action?
i do. why dont you try seeing people for people instead of pigeonholing them into left/right? attitudes like yours, on both sides of the political fence, are part of the problem: libbies this, fundies that (and yes, ive been guilty of it too) so fuccing sick of it. theres never any honest dialogue because the two sides are too busy tearing each other down, and all you political hacks on TT are a perfect example. if any of us really knew anything, we wouldnt be here spouting off, we'd be out leading. so violin, stovestomper, buddha bear, bacpac, s-rge, usa and all you other ding-dongs, go run for office if youre so goddamn smart cuz you aint accomplishing anything here”
“jeez who pissed in my cornflakes?
the preceding troll was brought to you by.....”
“You showed him... nothing like pidgeon-holing people as "ding-dongs."”
“Liberals may oppose the "current" welfare system and affirmative action.”
“Sorry crash bang, Your anti-religious, anti-Bush, pro-gay marriage comments fooled me.”
“i dont care for most organized religion or bush (neither do alot of conservatives)
i support gay marriage
i oppose abortion
im in favor of the death penalty
so im either a libervative or a conberal”
“"wouldnt surprise me if they were on coulters payroll”
I'd be suprised if they weren't. It's been done before, many times.”
“Political theater........not new”
“It is new to me. I never heard of anyone doing this.”
“I've never heard of it.”
It's been said that our government infiltrated the black panthers and performed actions deliberately designed to aleinate some of their more moderate supporters.
No one can prove any of it, of course.”
“That’s about as plausible as manufacturing evidence in order to invade another country.
Freedom of Speech, Only For Dims
“Edwards' staff tussles with UNC journalism school
By Ryan Teague Beckwith, Staff Writer
A UNC-Chapel Hill journalism professor said John Edwards' presidential campaign tried to kill a student's video story about his campaign headquarters.
Associate Professor C.A. Tuggle said two top staffers for the former North Carolina senator demanded that the school drop the segment from the student-run television program "Carolina Week." They also asked to have the video removed from the YouTube Web site.
Tuggle said they threatened to cut off access to Edwards for UNC student reporters and other student groups if the piece aired.
"My gosh, what are they thinking?" Tuggle said. "They're spending this much time and effort on a student newscast that has about 2,000 viewers? They're turning a molehill into a mountain."
Hawaii Government Demands Cartoon be Censored
By Andrew Walden
Does free speech exist in Hawaii?
A government department of the State of Hawaii is demanding the retraction of a political cartoon published Jan. 18 on the satirical web site http://www.zeroshibai.com/ and reprinted Jan. 21 on http://www.hawaiireporter.com/ The demands come in response to images and text ridiculing the Office of Hawaiian Affairs' Kau Inoa campaign as "Cow Inoa." Kau Inoa, Hawaiian for "place your name" is building a roll of Hawaiians to participate in a Hawaiian tribal government. Haunani Apoliona, writing in her capacity as "Chairperson, Board of Trustees, Office of Hawaiian Affairs" (OHA) in a Jan. 24 statement demands: "The cartoon should be pulled and the secret author publicly identified." OHA's backers are calling and emailing businesses demanding they pull their ads from HawaiiReporter.
Apoliona -- and OHA -- apparently believe the First Amendment has been repealed and government now has the right to censor local media. The saving grace is OHA's inability to enforce this demand. OHA is a Department of the State of Hawaii created by a 1978 amendment to the State Constitution and funded by legislative appropriation. It has an elected Board of Trustees not subject to appointment by the state's Republican Governor or Democrat-controlled Legislature.
Apoliona's response to the cartoon indicates she is speaking in her capacity as OHA Chair, not as a private citizen. In addition to signing the letter with her government title, and sending it to Hawaii Reporter from her OHA email address, Apoliona's statements indicating she is speaking as a representative of her department include:
"OHA and all those raised in Hawaii don't find it funny at all."
"The Office of Hawaiian Affairs will continue to fight to better the conditions of Native Hawaiians."
In addition, a local Honolulu KGMB-TV reporter and videographer seeking comment on the cartoon controversy Jan. 24 received a response not from Apoliona but from Crystal Kua, Director of Communications for the Office of Hawaiian Affairs.
Disturbingly, Kua also indicates that OHA believes it can determine what is and is not a "legitimate" news organization. KGMB reports: ......more.....
There’s no fascist like a liberal “identity politics” fascist!”
“Orwell, think ol' tiltypoo has a clue?”
“LOL...its ticking down...either McCain Feingold speech prohibition goes or we will see more and more things declared "political speech" in the future.
“I understand that movie is only available in widescreen format.”
“Crash Bang here ya go!”
“Interesting how this thread devolved and revolved.
I miss Bearmagnet. :(”
“I miss Bear Magnet, too.
I re-read the first page. Biz refers twice to "He who is not to be named." In 2002, would that have been Spock?”
“I never had the privilege to meet Bear Magnet as you all know him. I was however honored to participate in a ceremony with MarkO and Jackstraw, on a trip to North Fork Mt Trail WV a couple years back. I like reading his posts as I also like reading all those stories of those who knew him.”
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