let's stir up some more controversy

“has anyone seen those speakers they've got on backpackers website featured item thing at the top?
iknow some of you got pissed when you saw these.”

“What?”

“oh nevermind, i remember a bunch of people pulling attitudes when someone brought up music on the trail.
i saw these speakers on backpacker website earlier. seems pretty stupid to me.”

“i hiked with a guy who had some speakers and it was great we got all the football updates and had some great campfire music to boot.”

“one time, when i was 7, i ate a whole spoonful of crisco......”

“Are these the inflatable speakers featured in Backpacker mag? "Only a little tinny." Yeah, right, like I want to take speakers backpacking.”

“is that how you became an arkansas fan?

all that crisco get to your brain?”

“Bush pressured on military gaps

By Susan Milligan, Boston Globe Staff Writer

WASHINGTON -- Military veterans in the US Senate lashed out yesterday at Governor George W. Bush of Texas for failing to explain his apparent extended absence during his tenure in the Texas Air National Guard.

"The question is, where were you, Governor Bush?" said Senator Daniel Inouye, Democrat of Hawaii and a World War II veteran.

"What would you do as commander-in-chief if someone in the National Guard did the same thing?" Inouye asked during a telephone address in Nashville yesterday.

Inouye joined several colleagues, Senators Bob Kerrey, Democrat of Nebraska, and Max Cleland, Democrat of Georgia, in raising harsh questions about Bush's role during the Vietnam War.

The remarks were in response to a Globe article this week showing that Bush stopped flying after 22 months within his unit of the Texas Air National Guard. Further, the article reported, Bush failed to show up for required Guard drills during a six-month stay in Alabama, and he was lax even after returning to Houston.

"At the least, I would have been court-martialed. At the least, I would have been placed in prison," Inouye said.

Bush "made a commitment to the Texas Air National Guard, and God bless him for doing so," said Kerrey. But "if you're going to make a commitment to join the Guard, especially at that time, you've got to keep that commitment," Kerrey added.

Bush has refused to be interviewed by the Globe on the topic of his military service. His spokesman, Dan Bartlett, yesterday called the questions about the governor a "scurrilous charge".”

“LOL @ stratdewd!!”

“The National Guard was a very popular way to dodge the draft in those years.

Dan Inouye is quite a character.
While fighting in Italy he was first shot in the stomach, and kept fighting.
Some time later he lost an arm just above the elbow, and kept fighting.
"It was the leg wound that knocked me out of action."
"When I woke up they told me that they had used ten units of blood on me."”

“Wasn't that the Knight in Monty Python's the Holy Grail?”

“Darn right, at least Clinton admitted to being a drug using draft dodger. On Bush we only know about his dodging from speculation and drug use from a convicted felon. I also heard Bush was a habitual runner and once actually had a job outside of government, that is despicable.”

“When someone's record cannot be defended, by all means bring up someone else's record. Simple misdirection.

What does one have to do with the other?

Not a thing...




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The Black Knight

”

“"It's only a flesh wound," he says!

LOL”

“That's the guy!!" It's only a flesh wound!:" LMAO!”

“what is you favorite color?”

“Please tell me all about gun control vs. the right to bear arms.”

“Gun control is being able to hit what yer aimin at..

The speakers would not be worth the weight to me, no matter how light.”

“Well tilt, its is pretty simple. If you are to criticize someone’s actions there is invariably some standard that you hold that the person is falling short of reaching. If it were not so, there would be no valid criticism. Many of Bush’s most ardent critics are strong supporters of Clinton. In other words, for many of Bush’s critics Clinton is the standard. So the comparison of Bush to the standard is relevant. If Senator Daniel Inouye is the standard for valor in the face of military conflict, then Bush is way short along with most Americans. Both Clinton and Bush were elected President not Chief Soldier.”

“How did this go from music speakers in the woods to political thread?”

“If a politician sings in the woods and no one is there to here him, was a lie told?”

“Classic Trial Talk thread, bbinkley!”

“How'd this thread get from speakers to Bush to Clinton to the black knight in Monty Python and the Holy Grail in just 23 posts???”

“i know, 23 seems a little high...”

“I wear a fur coat while I drive my SUV with a rifle in the gun rack.”

“with the fangs and the bones of 100 people.”

“Lyra's right. It usually only takes about 10 posts to degenerate a thread.”

“that'd be thread degradation, although it generally manifests with a more carnal tone, I do think it still can be considered thread degradation.”

“Backpack speakers, huh?”

“MtnGirl as a Vet I must inform you that President is Commander and Chief of the Armed Forces. He is the highest ranking serviceman (Chief Soldier).

I don't like either of those dudes.
And Clinton didn't dodge the draft, he recieved the Rhodes Scholarship and went to college, nothing illegal about that.

Bush was "massaged" into a Texas Air Nat'l Guard unit that was comprised of VIP's kids. The plane they flew was being phased out of the inventory (and not being sent to Vietnam). Bush did lose his flight status after 22 months. He lost it because he failed to show up for a flight physical. His scheduled physical was just after they started to test for drug use during flight physicals. He also went AWOL to work on some political campaigns.

I think he is a disgrace to the uniform and I'm ashamed to call him Commander in Chief”

“Wouldn’t Commander in Chief is a civilian position. Bush’s situation many stink but was it illegal? Dodging means avoidance and could be by legal means. But I agree with you, I would have fought against the election of GWB as he was during the Vietnam War. I think he is a different man now, I sure hope so for all our sakes.”

“As a soldier you MUST salute the President, you don't salute civilians. AWOL is illegal, in time of war it can be considered treason.

So all of the men and women who went to college instead of Vietnam were draft dodgers in your opinion?

I can't forgive treason, especially if someone is never tried for their crime.”

“Dubya's OK now, it's his kids and niece that need help!”

“Them speakers are a waste of money!

8)”

“Yeah......the word of a convicted felon may have some merit(who was this guy anyway?).
An unconvicted criminal may have no conscience or remorse for his crime.

I suppose anyone who avoided the draft in any way is a dodger.

I've known guys whose dodge was to join the Airforce or Navy to avoid possible service in the infantry.

One of those dudes had his "evil" plan backfire.
Upon joining the Navy, he was assigned to river boats in Vietnam.
Wow, you oughta see that guy smoke cigarettes!
He doesn't just smoke 'em!
He smokes the hell out of 'em!

Another guy joined the Airforce, to avoid service in the infantry, and decided to stay for 20+ and retired from the AF.

Let's face it.
The hatred of Willy Jeff Clinton is pathological and the distrust of Bush(and the entire family) just makes sense.”

“The Commander in Chief is a civilian position. That is one of the things that makes it country work, the military answers to a civilian. Call it the way you want, I am not arguing with you on Bush because you already know all the truth that can be known. But the President does not have a uniform or a military insignia that I know of. George W. the first one, George Washington could have been a dictator or king but choose to turn over his power to the civilian government upon winning the war. That was a extremely important event and set the tone for our military.

And I guess we can get rid of our criminal justice system and just appoint donman judge. He knows who is guilty without even a trial. Think of the money we will save. Now what will we do with all those lawyers?”

“Politicians are souless dishonest thieving pig faqers. Money and power seems to be more important than anything else.”

“Why do so many people assume that anyone who would question Bush on any subject AUTOMATICALLY thinks that Clinton was pure as the driven snow?

Au contraire!

To think that anyone holds Clinton to be some paragon of virtue at this late date is pretty silly, don't you think?

It's eminently possible that Clinton and Bush (the subsequent) can both be substandard presidents! What's to stop them, fer pete's sake? LOLOL

Since becoming a C-SPAN junkie about 10 years ago, I have come to the sad conclusion that 98% of politicians are nothing but supercharged used car salesmen. Most everything they do and say is geared to their re-election.

My question is... Why not simply defend Bush? I don't think you can. And That's the point of the misdirection.”

“Sorry about your dogma MtnGirl, but the facts are there.”

“Hey Tom, I don’t hate anyone and I don’t trust any politician. I don’t like some of the things Clinton did or some of the thinks Bush is doing. I do prefer personal responsibility for ones actions, self sufficiency, freedom from government dependency, and that makes me a conservative.

I heard of guys that joint the Coast Guard and ended up on river patrols in Vietnam.”

“Should physician assisted suicide be legalized?”

“yes...

I don't think the Gov should be telling me what to do with me.”

“Scene 4


The Black Knight

------------------------

[King Arthur music]
[music stops]
BLACK KNIGHT:
Aaaagh!
[King Arthur music]
[music stops]
BLACK KNIGHT:
Aaagh!
GREEN KNIGHT:
Ooh!
[King Arthur music]
[music stops]
[stab]
BLACK KNIGHT:
Aagh!
GREEN KNIGHT:
Oh!
[King Arthur music]
Ooh! Uuh.
[music stops]
BLACK KNIGHT:
Aaaagh!
[clang]
BLACK KNIGHT and GREEN KNIGHT:
Agh!, oh!, etc.
GREEN KNIGHT:
Aaaaaah! Aaaaaaaaah!
[woosh]
[BLACK KNIGHT kills GREEN KNIGHT]
[thud]
[scrape]
BLACK KNIGHT:
Umm!
[clop clop clop]
ARTHUR:
You fight with the strength of many men, Sir Knight.
[pause]
I am Arthur, King of the Britons.
[pause]
I seek the finest and the bravest knights in the land to join me in my court at Camelot.
[pause]
You have proved yourself worthy. Will you join me?
[pause]
You make me sad. So be it. Come, Patsy.
BLACK KNIGHT:
None shall pass.
ARTHUR:
What?
BLACK KNIGHT:
None shall pass.
ARTHUR:
I have no quarrel with you, good Sir Knight, but I must cross this bridge.
BLACK KNIGHT:
Then you shall die.
ARTHUR:
I command you, as King of the Britons, to stand aside!
BLACK KNIGHT:
I move for no man.
ARTHUR:
So be it!
ARTHUR and BLACK KNIGHT:
Aaah!, hiyaah!, etc.
[ARTHUR chops the BLACK KNIGHT's left arm off]

ARTHUR:
Now stand aside, worthy adversary.
BLACK KNIGHT:
'Tis but a scratch.
ARTHUR:
A scratch? Your arm's off!
BLACK KNIGHT:
No, it isn't.
ARTHUR:
Well, what's that, then?
BLACK KNIGHT:
I've had worse.
ARTHUR:
You liar!
BLACK KNIGHT:
Come on, you pansy!
[clang]
Huyah!
[clang]
Hiyaah!
[clang]
Aaaaaaaah!
[ARTHUR chops the BLACK KNIGHT's right arm off]

ARTHUR:
Victory is mine!
[kneeling]
We thank Thee Lord, that in Thy mer--
BLACK KNIGHT:
Hah!
[kick]
Come on, then.
ARTHUR:
What?
BLACK KNIGHT:
Have at you!
[kick]
ARTHUR:
Eh. You are indeed brave, Sir Knight, but the fight is mine.
BLACK KNIGHT:
Oh, had enough, eh?
ARTHUR:
Look, you stupid bastard. You've got no arms left.
BLACK KNIGHT:
Yes, I have.
ARTHUR:
Look!
BLACK KNIGHT:
Just a flesh wound.
[kick]
ARTHUR:
Look, stop that.
BLACK KNIGHT:
Chicken!
[kick]
Chickennn!
ARTHUR:
Look, I'll have your leg.
[kick]
Right!
[whop]
[ARTHUR chops the BLACK KNIGHT's right leg off]

BLACK KNIGHT:
Right. I'll do you for that!
ARTHUR:
You'll what?
BLACK KNIGHT:
Come here!
ARTHUR:
What are you going to do, bleed on me?
BLACK KNIGHT:
I'm invincible!
ARTHUR:
You're a looney.
BLACK KNIGHT:
The Black Knight always triumphs! Have at you! Come on, then.
[whop]
[ARTHUR chops the BLACK KNIGHT's last leg off]

BLACK KNIGHT:
Oh? All right, we'll call it a draw.
ARTHUR:
Come, Patsy.
BLACK KNIGHT:
Oh. Oh, I see. Running away, eh? You yellow bastards! Come back here and take what's coming to you. I'll bite your legs off!”

“Sounds like assisted suicide to me....”

“Y'all need HELP!!!!!”

“Tilt, I don’t know enough about the Bush / draft thing to defend him. I don’t feel a need to defend him. I voted for him based on the policy and philosophy he put forth on the campaign. Youthful folly would be a factor if I thought he was still that silly young man. I was convinced that Bush has grown and is not the same person he was then. If you think Bush is still a drunk, rich, spoiled preppy boy then you should try to put someone else in that office.”

“My pops joined the Coast Guard to avoid the Vietnam draft and spent time fishing sinking boaters out of the drink off the coast of Cali.

Keep it up with the political bickering!

Oh, and speakers in the wilderness suck!”

“Somehow, these threads have lost their appeal for me...”

“When does human life start?”