You might be a Republican if...

“You might be a Republican if...



1. You believe that the nation's prosperity under Clinton was due to the work of Ronald Reagan and George Bush, but that the current situation is all Clinton's fault.

2. You believe everything Rush Limbaugh says… EVERYTHING.

3. You believe that those privileged from birth achieve success all on their own.

4. You believe that government should stay out of people's lives, yet you want government to regulate same-gender marriages and what your official language should be.

5. You believe that the agricultural, restaurant, housing and hotel industries can survive without immigrant labor.

6. You believe that pollution is OK, so long as it makes a profit.

7. You believe in prayer in schools, as long as you don't pray to Allah or Buddha.

8. You believe that a woman cannot be trusted with decisions about her own body, but that large multi-national corporations should have no regulation or interference whatsoever.

9. You believe that it was wise to allow Ken Starr to spend $50 million dollars to attack Clinton because no other U.S. presidents have ever been unfaithful to their wives.

10. You believe that a waiting period for purchasing a handgun is bad because quick access to a new firearm is an important concern for all Americans, even children and felons.

11. You believe it is wise to keep condoms out of schools, because we all know if teenagers don't have condoms they won't have sex.

12. You believe God hates homosexuality, but loves the death penalty.

13. You believe that the ACLU is bad because they defend the Constitution, while the NRA is good because they defend the Constitution.

14. You believe that socialism hasn't worked anywhere and that Europe doesn't exist.

15. You are against government interference in business, unless it is to provide a subsidy, tax break or protective tariff.

16. You believe the AIDS virus is not important enough to deserve federal funding proportionate to the resulting death rate and that the public doesn't need to be educated about it, because if we just ignore it, it will go away.

17. You believe that Chinese communist missiles have killed more Americans than handguns, alcohol and tobacco.

18. You believe that even though governments have supported the arts for 5000 years and that most of the great works of Renaissance art were paid for by governments, our government should shun any such support. After all, the rich can afford to buy their own and the poor don't need any.

19. You believe that poor, minority student with a disciplinary history and failing grades will be admitted into an elite private school with a $1,000 voucher.

20. You believe that the lumber from the last one percent of old growth U.S. forests is well worth the destruction of those forests and the extinction of the several species of plants and animals therein.

21. You believe that George W. Bush REALLY won the election.”

“I saw some nice trout downriver a little ways. Why don't you try there?”

“LOL @ hyway!”

“Wow, hyway fits right in at this place. Did you lurk for long?”

“Shake it baby, shake!”

“here we go again...lol”

“You forget... the Republicans LOVE immigrant labor (as long as it's cheap)”

“To pick apart each of the utterly rediculous statements would be relatively easy but take valueable time that, since I have a life and responsibilities, would make me as pathetic a looser as the fool that assembled the subject list in the first place. Please grow up and educate yourself.”

“The answer is: Walter Mondale”

“Solly, so you lost your old name and had to take a new one?? ;-)

I like the list. :-)”

“I heard recently that the RNC is changing their emblem from an elephant to a condom since it more clearly represents the party's stance :

It stands up to inflation, halts production, destroys the next generation, protects a bunch of pricks and gives a sense of security while screwing others ...”

“You might be an unaccompanied hiker if...

1. You didn't paticipate in the nation's prosperity under Clinton or ever.

2. Your major source of news is the Star and the National Enquirer.

3. You are jealous of those privileged from birth becasue your ancestors didn't achieve squat.

4. You believe that government should stay out of people's lives, yet you want government to regulate health care, guns, education, etc.

5. You believe that the agricultural, restaurant, housing and hotel industries didn't exist until the illegals swam across the Rio Grande.

6. You believe that pollution is wrong even though you use a car, use nylon, tyvek, and other plastics, and deficate daily.

7. You believe in prayer in schools, as long as you pray to anything but a Christian God.

8. Wish that all large multi-national corporations would go out of business so we could all be poor together.

9. You don't care if the President of the United States commits perjury during a sexual harrassment deposition because boys will be boys.

10. You believe that out-lawing guns with protect you because now the criminals will be dis-armed.

11. You believe that schools should dispense condoms because the schools are really there for the moral education of our children.

12. You believe that God created Adam and Steve and only created Adam and Eve when Adam and Steve could not be fruitful and multiply.

13. You believe that the ACLU is good even after they attack the Boy Scouts, various Religious Institutions, the American public, the flag, Mom, and apple pie, while the NRA is bad because they defend the Constitution.

14. You believe that communism is a good thing, but just hasn't had the right people running it yet.

15. You believe that more government interference in business will benefit the working man, the economy, the environment and the country.

16. You believe the AIDS virus is the number 1 killer of people in the US instead of heart disease, cancer, accidents. You also believe that AIDS is not transmitted through risky homosexual behavior or through dirty needles but rather that it is a government plot.

17. You believe that Chinese communists are good guys if you overlook Tibet, Korea, Tiananmen Square and their Maoist cultural revolution.

18. Your definition of art spans Rembrandt, Da Vinci, Monet and Robert Mapelthorpe even though Mapelthorpe's art really was two guys urinating in each other's mouths.

19. You believe that a poor, minority student with a disciplinary history and failing grades should be admitted into any private institution that they want to attend because they are a poor, minority student.

20. You believe that the lumber industry is evil for cutting down trees because trees are not a re-newable resource and vow the next time you need to wipe your a$$, you will use a spotted owl.

21. You really believe that Al Gore is from planet Earth.”

“I wish it wasn't so close to time for a nice scotch...

I would jump in on this....”

“22. You believe that G. W. Bush has brought honesty and integrity to the institution of the U.S. Presidency.

23. You believe that wrapping your arse in the U.S. flag makes you patriotic.”

“Good fishing here, someone set a waypoint.”

“silly thread, silly responses. typical ignorance on both sides.”

“Yeehaw, I hooked one.......”

“Too bad the Congressional Committee investigating what went wrong before 9/11/01 isn't dealing with the following:

1. After the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, which killed six and
injured 1,000; President Clinton promised that those responsible would be
hunted down and punished.

2. After the 1995 bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed five U.S. military
personnel; Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down
and punished.

3. After the 1996 Khobar Towers bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed 19
and injured 200 U.S. military personnel; Clinton promised that those
responsible would be hunted down and punished.

4. After the 1998 bombing of U.S. embassies in Africa, which killed 224
and injured 5,000; Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted
down and punished.

5. After the 2000 bombing of the USS Cole, which killed 17 and injured 39
U.S. sailors; Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down
and punished.

Maybe if Clinton had kept his promise, an estimated 7,000 people in
New York and Washington, D.C. that are now dead would be alive today.”

“Good thread

ROCK ON SAVAGE!!!!”

“but then they'd have to deal with if G.H.W. Bush (and Regan) hadn't have trained and armed Islamic Terrorists and Saddam then we wouldn't have to deal with them now”

“You may be Republican if you think George W is really looking for Osama Bin Laden.
You are totally absorbed with the flavor of the day: Saddam Surprise.”

“Obviously educated under :Dubya's" Texas sizes "teah the test" education plan....

Point #6

It's spelled d-e-f-e-c-a-t-e.”

“I can spell.....I just can't type...

he-he-he”

“Rep or Dem...is all Bovine defecation.

They all suck.”

“"It does not take a majority to prevail ... but rather an irate,
tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the
minds of men." --Samuel Adams”

“Samuel Adams...

American Patriot:

Brewer.....

that says it all.”

“True to form, Savage reads “immigrant labor” and sees “wetback”.”

“'The Age Of Sacred Terror'

WASHINGTON, Nov. 13, 2002

(AP) The high school textbooks say the president of the United States runs the executive branch of government and rides herd on a vast bureaucracy assigned to carry out his directives.

Well, that's not quite the way it works, say Daniel Benjamin and Steven Simon, who describe the travails of President Clinton in trying, often unsuccessfully, to get the Pentagon and the FBI to pursue Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda terrorist network.

The two authors, both Clinton-era National Security Council experts on terrorism, share their thoughts in a new book, "The Age of Sacred Terror."

They say Clinton wanted to do something about al Qaeda operations in Afghanistan late in his second term, his cruise missile attacks on the group's facilities in August 1998 having achieved little.

He approached Gen. Hugh Shelton, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and said, according to the book, "It would scare the (expletive) out of al Qaeda if suddenly a bunch of black ninjas rappelled out of helicopters in to the middle of their camp. It would get us an enormous deterrence and show those guys we're not afraid."

The Pentagon feared a debacle similar to April 1980 when President Carter dispatched helicopters to Iran in hopes of rescuing 52 American hostages. The result was the incineration of two helicopters and the deaths of eight servicemen.

The authors suspect that Pentagon's reservations about the Clinton plan ran deeper. The Pentagon, they point out, had an uneasy relationship with Clinton virtually from Day 1, when the White House began pushing to end discrimination against homosexuals by the military.

They quoted a senior political appointee at the Pentagon as saying that Defense was "particularly unwilling to go out on a limb for Clinton."

Also, the authors say, Thomas Pickering, No. 3 at the State Department under Clinton, worried that someone at Defense would put out the story that the Clinton plan would "hazard the lives of young Americans in a wild goose chase. The Pentagon has a great capacity to let things leak to keep from doing them."

Clinton's "black ninja" plan never got off the ground.

Lee Edwards, who follows presidential politics at the Heritage Foundation, says all presidents have had difficulty with balky bureaucracies.

He recalled that President Truman, shortly before Dwight D. Eisenhower's succession in 1953, said, "Poor Ike. He's going to come in, give an order and think it's going to be carried out."

Paul Light, a government analyst at the Brookings Institution, said he was not surprised that Clinton found resistance at the Pentagon. "DOD fights everybody," Light said, using the shorthand term for the Pentagon. For a president to get a bureaucracy to move, Light said, "sometimes he has to use a two-by-four."

Norman Ornstein, of the American Enterprise Institute, said the culture of the Pentagon and the FBI is "to be suspicious of everybody else and to be proprietary about everything they do."

Benjamin and Simon say Clinton had difficulty with what they described as the independent streak of FBI Director Louis Freeh.

The authors say the FBI "was at its most difficult in refusing to share investigative material that had a critical bearing on foreign policy."

The agency, despite a wealth of information, "contributed nothing to the White House's understanding of al-Qaida," they wrote.

Freeh insisted his hands were often tied because of rules requiring confidentiality in cases involving criminal investigations, a position the authors say caused frustration throughout the government.

And anger over the pre-Sept. 11, 2001, performances of the FBI and other federal agencies prompted congressional inquiries last month.

On Oct. 9, after "Sacred Terror" was completed, Freeh offered a defense before Congress of the FBI's role in the counter-terror effort.

"There is an absolute misperception if there is a notion that we have a culture where information is not shared," Freeh told a congressional hearing.

He said the FBI could have done a better job if Congress had approved the agency's request in 2000 for an additional 864 people. He said he got only five.

"To win a war, it takes soldiers," he said.”

“7-30-1996, WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Clinton urged Congress Tuesday to act swiftly in developing anti-terrorism legislation before its August recess.

"We need to keep this country together right now. We need to focus on this terrorism issue," Clinton said during a White House news conference.

But while the president pushed for quick legislation, Republican lawmakers hardened their stance against some of the proposed anti-terrorism measures.

Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott, R-Mississippi, doubted that the Senate would rush to action before they recess this weekend. The Senate needs to study all the options, he said, and trying to get it done in the next three days would be tough.

One key GOP senator was more critical, calling a proposed study of chemical markers in explosives "a phony issue."

Taggants value disputed

Clinton said he knew there was Republican opposition to his proposal on explosive taggants, but it should not be allowed to block the provisions on which both parties agree.

"What I urge them to do is to be explicit about their disagreement, but don't let it overcome the areas of agreement," he said.

The president emphasized coming to terms on specific areas of disagreement would help move the legislation along. The president stressed it's important to get the legislation out before the weekend's recess, especially following the bombing of Centennial Olympic Park and the crash of TWA Flight 800.

"The most important thing right now is that they get the best, strongest bill they can out -- that they give us as much help as they can," he said.

Hatch blasts 'phony' issues

Republican leaders earlier met with White House Chief of Staff Leon Panetta for about an hour in response to the president's call for "the very best ideas" for fighting terrorism.

Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, emerged from the meeting and said, "These are very controversial provisions that the White House wants. Some they're not going to get."

Hatch called Clinton's proposed study of taggants -- chemical markers in explosives that could help track terrorists -- "a phony issue."

"If they want to, they can study the thing" already, Hatch asserted. He also said he had some problems with the president's proposals to expand wiretapping.

Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle, D-South Dakota, said it is a mistake if Congress leaves town without addressing anti-terrorism legislation. Daschle is expected to hold a special meeting on the matter Wednesday with Congressional leaders.





April 16, 1996, WASHINGTON (CNN) -- By Friday, the first anniversary of the Oklahoma City bombing, Congress is expected to pass an anti- terrorism bill which addresses some, though not all, of the concerns the bombing raised over Americans' safety.

Congressional leaders, flanked by survivors and relatives of victims of the Oklahoma City bombing, unveiled compromise legislation Monday to increase federal powers to fight terrorism and limit appeals by death-row inmates.

As the trial nears for the accused, those who lost relatives in the bombing say the proposed law should put the concerns of victims above those of terrorists.

"We have forgotten that anyone who murdered has relinquished rights for compassion," said Diane Leonard, the widow of a Secret Service agent killed in the bombing.

Only one element of the anti-terrorism bill has a potential effect on the Oklahoma City case. It would limit the number and duration of appeals a convicted death row inmate could file.

President Clinton has expressed concern over the death penalty provision, but Senate Judiciary Chairman Orrin Hatch, R-Utah said he had spoken with the president about the provision, and feels confident his objection is not strong enough to elicit a veto.

Hatch said the compromise bill would prevent international terrorist organizations from raising money in the United States and provide for the swift deportation of international terrorists.

The demand for an anti-terrorism bill precedes Oklahoma City and was shaped by the attacks on Pan Am flight 103 which exploded over Lockerbie, Scotland and the bombing of the World Trade Center.

The bill, which would cost $1 billion over four years, also calls for "tagging" plastic explosives to better trace them. The bill calls for a study on tagging methods for other explosives such as fertilizer and black powder. Critics say the study provision is a concession to groups opposed to restrictions on explosive materials.

The Republicans also dropped the additional wire-tap authority the Clinton administration wanted. U.S. Attorney general Janet Reno had asked for "multi-point" tapping of suspected terrorists, who may be using advanced technology to outpace authorities.

Rep. Charles Schumer, D-New York, said technology is giving criminals an advantage. "What the terrorists do is they take one cellular phone, use the number for a few days, throw it out and use a different phone with a different number," he said. "All we are saying is tap the person, not the phone number."

Still, Schumer said the bill is "better than nothing" and should get some Democratic votes.

President Clinton asked Congress to give him the anti- terrorism bill by the first anniversary of the Oklahoma City bombing on April 19. And he'll get it. While it might not be all the president wants, administration officials indicate it's a bill he can sign.






Congress Passes Anti-Terrorism Bill

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Congress on Thursday passed a compromise bill boosting the ability of law enforcement authorities to fight domestic terrorism, just one day before the first anniversary of the Oklahoma City bombing.

The House voted, 293-133, to send the anti-terrorism bill to President Clinton, who has indicated that he will sign it after he returns from his overseas trip next week.

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The measure, which the Senate passed overwhelmingly Wednesday evening, is a watered-down version of the White House's proposal. The Clinton administration has been critical of the bill, calling it too weak.

Note: The senate was controlled by the republicans in 1996. Trent Lott was the majority leader.

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The original House bill, passed last month, had deleted many of the Senate's anti-terrorism provisions because of lawmakers' concerns about increasing federal law enforcement powers. Some of those provisions were restored in the compromise bill.

The bill imposes limits on federal appeals by death row inmates and other prisoners and makes the death penalty available in some international terrorism cases and in cases where a federal employee is killed on duty.

The bill "has some very effective tools that we can use in our efforts to combat terrorism," Attorney General Janet Reno said Thursday.

But she was less enthusiastic about the bill's limits on federal appeals by death row inmates and other prisoners. She was also concerned that the bill would make it more difficult for federal judges to overturn state court rulings.

Republicans were divided on whether the legislation would be effective.

"We have a measure that will give us a strong upper hand in the battle to prevent and punish domestic and international terrorism," Senate Majority Leader and presumptive GOP presidential nominee Bob Dole said Wednesday.

But Sen. Don Nickles, R-Oklahoma, while praising the bill, said the country remains "very open" to terrorism. "Will it stop any acts of terrorism, domestic and international? No," he said, adding, "We don't want a police state."

Some lawmakers took a more prudent view of the bill. "The balance between public safety and order and individual rights is always a difficult dilemma in a free society," said Rep. Gerald Solomon, R-New York.

Congressional leaders had initially promised to complete the bill six weeks after the Oklahoma City federal building bombing that killed 168 people last April 19.

Congress reached compromise on anti-terrorism bill.”

“I went backpacking with a democrat and a republican this one time. I couldn't tell the two apart after a couple of days, and I wasn't going to lift their skirts to see which was which.”

“I watched some of a PBS special on Ben Franklin last night. I wonder if he would have expected the Hamiltonians and Jeffersonians to still be arguing, but forget what the debate is really about.”

“yep. That's a laugh riot.

I wonder how the 'studies' are progressing? The fertilizer industry didn't want the extra hassle (cost) and the NRA folks were paranoid about the feds tracing their black powder....

But we don't want to be reminded of that.

Did Clinton want to hit al Qaeda harder only to be stymied by DoD and the FBI?

Lets not even consider the possibility of that. We don't want to know....

They'rrrres a WOR on!”

“Let's not forget that the Republicans passed the Homeland Security bill...

of course the majority of it is pork and protection for Eli Lilly...


That is why I quit and HATE the Republican party now... in general they never try to fix anything. They always complain about the Democrats and when they pass a bill it always benefits industry (I'm not complaining about tax cuts, I will complain when my tax money is given to Texas A&M however, Thanks Tom Delay (fecking ahole)”

“Now that DeLay is taking over Dick Army's role in the House he'll get more exposure and more people will see what a nut job he is.”

“I think that the whole political system is a joke. I.E. write the homeland security bill and it passes intact, then add stuff to it regarding stuff that is not relevant to our security.
I think that both parties have agendas that they don't want to share with voters. I wish there was some more honesty in our government. Make no mistake, I am not bashing on our country, just some of the politicians.”

“You checked the box next to Republican when you registered to vote.”

“Whenever a bill is introduced in either body (House or Senate) the description seems to always end with the words "and for other purposes." I think it's nearly all of them... I'd like to know what percentage it really is.

It's a hoot when they insert an amendment about flag-burning or somesuch in a bill loaded with corporate pork --- then whoever votes against it can be smeared for voting For Flag-burning it in the next election!!

I don't like to think that they're ALL crooks... some are just incompetent, <G>”

“That was very good, unaccompanied hiker.”

“why do liberals, LIKE TILT, always blame everything on corperate conspiracies? you wanna bring down all the big corperations yet they drive the economy. if the economy goes down, it's all bush's fault. if it does good, it's all bushes fault. the politics of envy and class warfare and division, that's all you got and that's why conservatives won 68% of the elections this time.



THINK PEOPLE. DON'T "FEEL", THINK.”

“It's small business that is actually driving the economy. Small business is on the cutting edge of technogy and employees more people than the huge multi-national corporations. As a small business owner, I don't receive any of the perks and pork that is shoved at the big boys. The big corporations place their headquarters off shore, so as to avoid taxes. They still use this country's infrastructure, send their kids to schools in the USA, live in the USA. They just don't pay taxes. Small business owners pay their share and help improve this country's infrastructure.
Why would a true conservative want to defend the multi-national corporations?”

“Exactly! So the other stuff is pure graft disguised as Republican. I am Republican, I am conservative, I am not for the NRA agenda, and mostly I want my tax dollars to be spent responsibly by whomever is spending it. If there was a third political party that seemed to really want to do that, I would vote for them. Unfortunately, the rest of the government wiseguys with experience would hog tie them.”

“Exactly!

Is there an echo in here??? LOL


I saw a replay of a truly fascinating news conference yesterday morning on C-SPAN. Common Cause, Democracy 21, the Center for Responsive Politics and the Campaign and Media Legal Center are all bringing suit against the Federal Elections Commission to FORCE them to enforce THEIR OWN REGULATIONS based on the recently passed campaign finance reform act against BOTH PARTIES.

Blatant infractions by both the Republican and Democratic national committies were detailed. They are daring the FEC to act... and they're counting on the commissioners to sit on their hands.

The news confererce was held Thursday. I didn't hear a peep about it on any other news outlet... did anyone??

I think it's WAY past time for those people at the FEC to quit being party hacks and do their damn jobs.”

“Fools!”

“tilt, correct! i knew it was gonna be bogus when they were passin that tripe. they were already breakin laws, so why would a new one make a difference. and anothere ting....i thought they weren't s'posed to mention the other cantidate 30 days before the election...well they all did it(yes both parties). it's a joke. mccain is full of crapola.



dan, true that small business is the biggest part of the economy. and true that big corps are moving out of our borders. why should they stay for confiscatory tax statutes? would you? what if your company makes it bigtime? you might invent something that is a big hit. what if your company grows? you gonna turn it down? you gonna stay here and get hosed, or are you in business to make money?
you need to think through your beliefs. oh, then after you make 500 million and you die, the gub'ment comes and takes away all your money(that you were taxed on when you made it the first time) away from your children's inheritance. you won't be needing it any more now that your dead. and it's not fair for your kids to have a priveledged life, just because their father was a successful, hardworking businessman.


fairy tales can come true. it could happen to you....if your a capitolist......”

“What a timely thread!”

“To make it easier, the first post was:



You might be a Republican if...



1. You believe that the nation's prosperity under Clinton was due to the work of Ronald Reagan and George Bush, but that the current situation is all Clinton's fault.

2. You believe everything Rush Limbaugh says… EVERYTHING.

3. You believe that those privileged from birth achieve success all on their own.

4. You believe that government should stay out of people's lives, yet you want government to regulate same-gender marriages and what your official language should be.

5. You believe that the agricultural, restaurant, housing and hotel industries can survive without immigrant labor.

6. You believe that pollution is OK, so long as it makes a profit.

7. You believe in prayer in schools, as long as you don't pray to Allah or Buddha.

8. You believe that a woman cannot be trusted with decisions about her own body, but that large multi-national corporations should have no regulation or interference whatsoever.

9. You believe that it was wise to allow Ken Starr to spend $50 million dollars to attack Clinton because no other U.S. presidents have ever been unfaithful to their wives.

10. You believe that a waiting period for purchasing a handgun is bad because quick access to a new firearm is an important concern for all Americans, even children and felons.

11. You believe it is wise to keep condoms out of schools, because we all know if teenagers don't have condoms they won't have sex.

12. You believe God hates homosexuality, but loves the death penalty.

13. You believe that the ACLU is bad because they defend the Constitution, while the NRA is good because they defend the Constitution.

14. You believe that socialism hasn't worked anywhere and that Europe doesn't exist.

15. You are against government interference in business, unless it is to provide a subsidy, tax break or protective tariff.

16. You believe the AIDS virus is not important enough to deserve federal funding proportionate to the resulting death rate and that the public doesn't need to be educated about it, because if we just ignore it, it will go away.

17. You believe that Chinese communist missiles have killed more Americans than handguns, alcohol and tobacco.

18. You believe that even though governments have supported the arts for 5000 years and that most of the great works of Renaissance art were paid for by governments, our government should shun any such support. After all, the rich can afford to buy their own and the poor don't need any.

19. You believe that poor, minority student with a disciplinary history and failing grades will be admitted into an elite private school with a $1,000 voucher.

20. You believe that the lumber from the last one percent of old growth U.S. forests is well worth the destruction of those forests and the extinction of the several species of plants and animals therein.

21. You believe that George W. Bush REALLY won the election."

- unaccompanied hiker
11:34:52 AM
11/20/02”

“Got any photos of Ann Coulter?


How 'bout Condoleeza Rice?”

“how about,
22. You publicly expound on the moral decay of the country but privately lust after Ann Coulter.”