Attention bicycle riders

“One last word:

It is YOUR last words. I couldn't agree with you more:

COMMON SENSE, MORALITY, and CONSIDERATION FOR YOUR FELLOW MAN are what's at issue here.”

“Yeah, Lee, it's a funny thing that I get PISSED OFF at people who CHOOSE to risk THEIR lives and in so doing, put mine at risk just so they can have some pleasure.

How odd that I'd be concerned not only for my fellow man, but myself as well. I'm obviously wrong on that. *sarcasm*
last edited: 10/02/07 11:21:40 AM”

“So, Lee, all your entire argument consisted of quoting the law, when the law isn't at issue to begin with. Then throwing out stereotypes.

Yeah, you sure showed me. *click*”

“let's get everyone on this thread to be ignored... then he can argue with himself....”

“I say strap on a gun, shoot windshield out, then driver. End of problem”

“Cujo may have a point - it's amazing the number of cyclists I come across who seem to be in a little world of their own.

I've not even come close to hitting one, but I've also come across them cycling down the road at last light when they can barely be seen.

I came across one particularly annoying varient using his mountain bike on a local trail, with his two dogs running close behind, forcing everyone else to jump to the side as he comes through, with hisdogs pretty well out of control.”

“Well now its gone to the dogs. Everybody has their own likes and dislikes.”

“If you're a cyclist riding on a winding country road where visibility is limited, then don't ride side-by-side - it's just common sense.

And lets be honest, how many of you cyclists, when you're drving, will do 20 mph on a road with a limit of 55, because there might, one time in a thousand, be two cyclists riding side-by-side on the crest of a hill?”

“Try and follow along Cujo.... Why do you want the counter argument? Can't win this one? Too bad, you're stuck with it.

No, Pissedofflaxdude, if I was rude to Lee, it was because I've REPEATEDLY said it's not a matter of bicycling being legal on roads. THIS IS NOT AT ISSUE. And you trying to twist it that way shows me you don't really ahve a counter argument.

The law, is what guides our actions! See LEGALLY you were wrong. You want a counter argument because you know you are and were wrong. You think that by blaming the cyclists you are able to absolve your actions. You act as though you are out to protect the cyclists, yet your actions and argument prove otherwise.

By what banning them on certain roads? What are you a pinko commie? "I don't like something, let's ban it." Be careful, that's a double edged sword.

Were you truly concerned with the safety of cyclists and motorists, you'd ask for cycling lanes, you'd slow down coming over a ridge, you'd give cyclists more than enough room. In short you'd follow the law you claim to know so well. So you see the crux of the argument is the law and your inability to follow it or comprehend it. Until the laws of MO change you'll continue to be wrong. I don't care what you say beyond that.”

“It's really pretty simple.

If you as a motorist can not safely operate your vehicle on a road where bicyclists are riding legally, you shouldn't be on that road with your vehicle.”

“Maine now has a law that requires vehicles to give bikers 3 feet of clearance between bike and car...”

“And lets be honest, how many of you cyclists, when you're drving, will do 20 mph on a road with a limit of 55, because there might, one time in a thousand, be two cyclists riding side-by-side on the crest of a hill?”
Y2
2:59:36 PM
10/02/07

I don't do it because there might, one time, be a cyclist around the crest of a hill. I do it cause I can't see what is over or around the hill and I know I need to match my speed to my ability to see. Plus I am an old geezer and it is against the laws of nature for old geezers to drive more than 20 miles an hour on any road.”

“Illinois just past a similar 3-foot law.

The law also now allows a cyclist to take the lane at intersections where right turns can be made from the lane that you are riding in.

oh yea...and you can signal right turns with your right arm now. woooweee”

“When I road ride around here, I try to go on roads that don't have much traffic. It's scary to me having cars zip by just missing you by inches. One of my reasons why I like mountain biking better. Instead of dealing with traffic, jerks yelling from cars, throwing things, etc., I can go for a ride and see critters instead and have peace and quiet.”

“I agree with trying to stay on roads without much traffic. That's not always possible, but I would definately choose the road less traveled because unfortunately not all motorists follow the law.

For me, it would come down to this: Do you want to be right, or do you want to be deadly right?
last edited: 10/02/07 12:44:53 PM”

“Cujo, sometimes you have to draw a picture so people can understand what you're saying, lol.


Yes, yes, yes, we can all ride our two wheeled, no seatbelt or other protection bikes L-E-G-A-L-L-Y down the road just like any other vehicle, blah, blah, blah. Some of us just aren't stupid enough to do it no matter what the law says. F'n prima donnas.....just because you can do something doesn't mean you should. Sure, I ride my bike out there, but if it ever came to a chicken match between me and a friggin' 3000 pound vehicle you can bet your a$$ that mine will be peddling the fvck out of the way.”

“Morally and legally, its your responsibility to be able to stop for anything within your field of vision and to be able to stop for anything that may be about to appear in your field of vision. If there is a blind curve or turn, you should drive at a speed that would allow you to stop safely if there is something there. And, if you are in too much of a hurry to drive at a safe speed, you should get your act together and leave on time.

I would agree that it was neither wise, nor considerate for the bicyclists to be driving side by side in the middle of the lane just past a hill crest. This is because, sadly, there are drivers who feel that bikes don't belong on certain roads where it happens that bikes are legal.”

“Why does there have to be a chicken match?

Why can't the driver of the automobile and the bicyclist use the road like you are supposed to?”

“PissedoffLaxdude said: You want a counter argument because you know you are and were wrong. You think that by blaming the cyclists you are able to absolve your actions. You act as though you are out to protect the cyclists, yet your actions and argument prove otherwise. By what banning them on certain roads?

NO - I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF BANNING. I said I fully agree with the law that bicyclists should be able to share the ROAD. For the hundredth time, this is about CYCLISTS BEING REALISTIC ABOUT THE RISKS they put themselves and others in, for what - a pleasure ride.

I know the reality of it sucks for cyclists. But there's only so much that I can slow down over a hill before becoming a hazard myself. It sucks, but there's simply some roads cyclists should stay off, as a matter of morality and common sense.”

“PedXing said: If there is a blind curve or turn, you should drive at a speed that would allow you to stop safely if there is something there.

BUT AT WHAT POINT DOES slowing down turn from safe to hazardous?? I guaran-damn-tee you, if I drove any slower on my road (and I already drive 10-15 mph under the limit), there would be people tailgating me, passing me unsafely, and possibly hitting me from behind. There is NO WAY I'm going to make a hazard out of myself so that some inconsiderate, immoral cyclist can put EVERYONE at risk so he can have some fun and maybe make a point at how legal it is for him to be there. And like Y2 said, are YOU saying you would REALLY slow WAY down EVERY time just on the CHANCE that there may be a cyclist?

I take a certain risk every day on that road because of possible hazards I already listed. THESE HAZARDS ARE PERMANENT. There's no getting around them. They are minimized as much as possible. And I take prudent precautions to deal with it. What's NOT NECESSARY is somebody joyriding and making A HAZARD of himself. Does it suck for the cyclist? Yeah, but no amount of "but it's legal" will take the risk out of it for him or me.
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“So let me get this strait, they were lawfully riding, but since they annoy you they are bad?

DUDE, get over the road rage. The road isn't your own private drive.”

“I see that no one has given a reasoned response. I'm not surprised.

I've found the road-biking community to be incredibly elitist (though there are exceptions). I'm not surprised that their ego won't let them admit they were wrong in the face of the FACTS. You look like such the fools.”

“Cujo = Mutt”

“Hey cujo, im not a road biker, infact I have a mountain bike. But I use it to run my errends around town as well. Not all towns are very bike friendly. I live on a narrow country road, no bike lanes and the shoulder is a narrow 12" IF that of gravel, weeds and broken glass. Guess where I ride? In the lane. Deal with it.”

“Yeah, i accidently outed myself in another thread, so I thought I might as well put my non-haloween handle in my user info.”

“After wading through all the homophobia and road rage hostility that you have spewed, it seems to me that the root of your issue is that you can not safely drive your car on this road when bicyclists are riding on it (or for that matter when any slow moving vehicles are on it). So until you get the laws changed to prohibit bicycles from the road, or until you can come up with the cash to redesign the road to meet your safety expectations, you should stay off that road. Why do you think you can infringe on the rights of others because you choose not to control your vehicle in a safe, legal manner?”

“It was just a troll, dude. Had a couple hours to waste, so....
last edited: 10/03/07 10:14:23 AM”

“doh”

“why am I not surprised?”

“LOL, well that was a good one Mutt.”