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liberal talk radio?


nothing but the same ole beating of a dead horse. nothing positive, no reason to vote for them, only reasons to vote agin the other guy.

nice diversion tiltie von stinky pinky....
stratdewd
9:54:29 AM
5/21/03

Don't be so sure, Strat! Cycles happen, my man. And you are underestimating the nature of saturated markets (the airwaves have more than it's share of the conservative drone). Even a company like Clear Channel, as conservative as they are, are looking beyond what they are programming and trying to do what they are in business for - making money! They would gladly go in another direction if the profit margin looks good to them...
treebeard
10:00:14 AM
5/21/03

yes tree but don't you think the politico's have tried this before?

there's more to this than meets the eye. it's not about making money. it's about the left throwing fits that they are loosing power. an all out assault on opposing views. they've had academia, entertainment, and news monopolies for years and now they are loosing their grip and freeking out.


when limbaugh started it all...they first dissmissed him as stupid and an extrteme lier. then they tried to snuff him out(equal time), now they are tring to emulate him.....

only thing is, to sustain a show like his, the information has to be rooted in truth. libs can't tell the truth cause if they said what they really want(socialism) they'de be run outta town onna rail....

it may happen, but it'll never last....rush did it the right way...he built up an audience. he didn't have a bunch of millionaires backing him to get him started. in spite of all the odds, people we're ready for an alternative view....
stratdewd
10:09:22 AM
5/21/03

Strat. Take pill and calm down. Please stop the lib-conserv chanting and look at the issue. This is a programming issue that i excerpted out of the article that started the thread. CC's VP stated that some of the 'more liberal' talk show hosts were getting sandwiched and swallowed up by their positioning between other conservative talk show hosts. This is a matter of exposure and listenership. These people happen to know how to score audiences. They have not acquired this many successful stations by being idiots. Money IS the bottom line when it comes to ratings. I got fired from a station for having declining numbers. I have a clue as to the way they think. Does this make any sense?
treebeard
10:15:15 AM
5/21/03

There's seems to be more of an audience for the right wing shows. As much as I dislike everything about the ethics of Fox News, it is certainly a success. Rupert saw the gap in the market and is being rewarded for exploiting it.
What I do find alarming is that, apparently more on the right than on the left, there appears to be a large audience who only wants to hear things they agree with, rather than a wider perspective on what actually happens.
And Strat, it's not about the left throwing fits. It's about exploiting the market. Even if it were being done purely for the political side of things ,then it would just be a way to get a message across, as the right seems to have been so successful in doing. It's all part of the game.
ynamiynami
10:16:27 AM
5/21/03

You can only saturate the market so much with the same stuff before somebody goes down too...
treebeard
10:19:36 AM
5/21/03

i'm the chillinst guy you'll ever know tredood.

i just speak my mind. of course there's market forces at work and that's why it wont last.....

have a great day everybody, the real world's callin me again....
stratdewd
10:21:47 AM
5/21/03

You couldn't find reality with a map.
vIoLiN
10:23:04 AM
5/21/03

right violin. the masses are really just stupid and so they need THE LEFT to tell them how to think and live.


vote for me or you're all doomed; the left today

time will tell where your map leads....
stratdewd
10:31:36 AM
5/21/03

Treebeard
My point about the UN inspectors is that everyone said they needed more time, yet now everyone is impatient because the WMD weren't found as soon as the bullets stopped flying. I'll confess I thought they would have been found sooner, but I'm willing to take a wait and see stance.
As far as the liberal/left/whatever you want to name it talk radio format, my uneducated guess is that it is a matter of making sure you have good marketing this time around. I think the reason it hasn't worked in the past is because of who they've picked to put behind the mike, similar to dragging out ole Donahue for the MSNBC deal a few months back.
StickmanWalking
11:45:06 AM
5/21/03

As lousy as it was, Donahue was their highest rated show.
vIoLiN
11:55:24 AM
5/21/03

You may be right, Stick! Although I wouldn't write off CC's strategies without looking into their reasoning for saying what they did. They do a lot of market research on this stuff and have much success. As for the other point, it was our own government's rhetoric and alarmist speaking that prompts this impatient response. They don't appear to be able to support the allegations. At least, not yet...
Treebeard
11:56:32 AM
5/21/03

So, you were expecting the events of said date? Why, then, didn't you warn the rest of us?"

gojo


While George Tennet (you know him) was telling everyone in DC who would listen that bin Laden and al Qaeda were a tremendous threat, Bush II was busy planning his taxcuts to sell out subsequent generations of Americans.
Tilt
1:53:32 PM
5/21/03

The reason that Limbaugh is popular is not because his statements are "rooted in truth". He shoots from the hip and is "less than accurate" on many occasions. He just talks tough, and some people are infatuated with that macho, confrontive style of preaching. I call it preaching because he never has anyone of substance on his program for political debate. If someone with an actual measurable IQ happens to make it through the screener and talk to Limbaugh, he just shouts them down.
Believe me, I find it very amusing and listen at least once a week. The thing that scares me is that there are people who take him seriously. If you turn around his rants and replace the word "liberal" with the word "conservative", the statement would hold just as much value. He rants on and on about the "liberals" wanting power. The "conservatives" don't want power???? You could go on and on like this, but most intelligent people know that Limbaugh just jumps when he is told to on whatever subject he is given that day. Pit bulls are more subtle than this guy.
Dunadan
7:11:05 PM
5/21/03

Liberals need credible speakers. I have learned that the moderate democrats have a logical message, but they don't have too many logical credible people to deliver it.
Buddha Bear
7:28:08 PM
5/21/03

dan dan dan.......how many more things could one possibly say wrong in one post......

first.....you think all you have to do is shoot from the hiP and talk tough to make it in talk radio? geesh dood, you are way off man. it's entertaining. that's why he's sucessfull, it's entertaining.

about him being wrong, or telling lies.....MANY MANY MANY liberals have tried to catch him lying and have found very few mistakes(they did a whole study on it several years back). just think of all the people who hate him. they all want to see him fall on his face. well, they have found him to be more accurate than even mainstream media(think NY times, LA times, CBS etc). look it up. just like the times, if you lie, you will loose listeners. you can't build an audience of 20,000,000 by spouting off a bunch of lies day after day. he makes errors, just like i do and you do, but not that many.

there is a huge incorrect assumption/lie/myth about limbaugh, which is this; all his listeners are stupid rednecks with no ability to think for themselves. that his listeners are robots hypmotized by......something. liek we can't think things through and decide for ourselves wether he's making sense or full of BS. the first time i ever heard him was by accident, and i was like.....yea, that's right! yeah, that's what i think too. it's that way for most of his listeners. ha backs up what they already think and provides alot of data that you'd never ever in a zillion years hear on the 'big media'. you're calling him a fanatic and a loudmouth lyer is just a way to get people to not listen to him. many of his most ardent critics have neven even heard his show. i gave 4 liberals his book and none of them read it. not one. have you read his books, dan? has anyone here? i doupt it....

and just who is it that you think tells him what to say? you really think bush calls him up everyday and tells him what subject to cover? geesh....i'd wager that it's the other way around, if anyhting. that they listen to him for advice. clinton even had his people monitor his program.

limbaugh is very astute. he knows how the political world works and very often predicts things that happen later.....

i don't always agree with him, either. it's almost impossible to find someone who agrees with your every thought.


and besides...liberals don't have the attention span to be loyal listeners.......heh heh
stratdewd
11:00:57 PM
5/21/03

Just thinking about the way you describe how Rush appeals to your thinking, Strat. Influential people like L. Ron Hubbard and certain evangelists have that effect also by telling people what they want to hear...
Treebeard
9:54:54 AM
5/23/03

strat

that "huge incorrect assumption/lie/myth" that you mentioned is something that I think limbaugh himself tries to promote and stokes to get the attention/ loyalty of rural and working class Americans who feel sort of left out of the mainstream. Sort of like Jesse Jackson keeping AfAms angry about racism, real or perceived. He says what you want him to say, he makes you feel comfortable. He knows nothing( or very little)of the plight of common, ordinary Americans. You're right dood......he's entertainment.
JO
11:34:01 AM
5/23/03

How seriously do you take someone who refers to Richard Gephart as "Little Dick" again and again and again? Rush belongs on the playground, not on the airwaves.
Dunadan
10:37:03 PM
5/23/03

Rush is great. I'm glad he's doing what he's doing. Keep it up RUSH!
Phaedrus
10:51:13 PM
5/23/03

20,000,000 flies can't be wrong!
Dunadan
10:55:11 PM
5/23/03

He knows nothing( or very little)of the plight of common, ordinary Americans. You're right dood......he's entertainment."
JO

this just shows your ignorance

dan, why don't you let people decide for themselves.....little dick, that's fuinny....dontcha get it?

humor is lost on liberals...
stratdewd
10:31:05 PM
5/25/03

Abuse and derision seem to be Limbaugh's main tools. I wonder where all that comes from. I don't think it's emotionally healthy.
Tilt
10:45:07 PM
5/25/03

i disagree tilt. if heard him go off on people and i was ashamed of him, but it's only been like twice and both times, when he came back from commercials he apologized profusely fo loosing his cool. he's blunt(like me) and many people take that for rudeness. you really have to listen every day for 3 or 4 weeks to 'get it'.
stratdewd
11:09:19 AM
5/26/03

Is that how long a brainwashing takes, Strat? Gee, I always wondered about that. One other question, does the electroshock therapy preceed or come directly after those sessions??
treebeard
12:29:00 PM
5/26/03

tree, i know it'd be easier to deal with me if i was stupid, but i'm not.....


who's washed that brain of your's? obviously you haven't made an informed opinion because you haven't listened to him yet you still label him with pagoratives.....so who told you this? liberals, that's who....


the smoke is clearing and the mirrors have been shattered.....

and denial ain't just a river in egypt.....
stratdewd
3:03:45 PM
5/26/03

Strat, I have a mind of my own. I don't formulate my opinion the way you say I do. I have listened to Rush Limbaugh and have come to the conclusion that he is an arrogant, closed minded opinionated, nasty vat full of tunnel visioned diatribe! "Label him with pagorative" - What do you mean by this? Pagorative is not in the English dictionary. Could the person who knows me better than I do tell me what he means here? I really can't even figure it out, assuming it was a typo...
treebeard
3:25:48 PM
5/26/03

As Allen Ludden might've said...

"The Password is... 'pejorative'.

Main Entry: pejorative
Function: adjective
Etymology: Late Latin pejoratus, past participle of pejorare to make or become worse, from Latin pejor worse; akin to Sanskrit padyate he falls, Latin ped-, pes foot -- more at FOOT
Date: circa 1888
: having negative connotations; especially : tending to disparage or belittle : DEPRECIATORY
- pe·jo·ra·tive·ly adverb


NOW, did I close all those italics tags?
Tilt
3:45:20 PM
5/26/03

Thanx Tilt!
treebeard
4:41:45 PM
5/26/03

I could-a sworn there was another R in that thing...
Tilt
7:26:42 PM
5/26/03

tilt got it....
well, you're lil 'joke' kinda insulted my intelligence there treedood. as if you suggest that i'm not smart enough to think for myself. that get's me riled every time.....and it's a false assumption on your part...

and i don't for one minute believe that you don't have any influences reguarding these matters. everyone does. so freekin what? it's not about brainwashing man. we really think we're right. call it arrogance, we don't care, cuz we think were right. tunnel vision diatribe? horsefeathers! what would you call dan rather or peter jennings? they all tell you the same thing every night....miss one, and you can tell what he said by watching another....you have been duped, and i say if anyone is brainwashed, it's people who buy the status quo as set in stone fact. i bet most people even believed that new york times dood that got busted for lying on all his stories....

not this honky....
stratdewd
11:16:21 PM
5/26/03

That was no joke and no insult, Strat. I honestly didn't know what you said. You spelled out a word that didn't resemble anything I knew of in the English language and you read an insult into that? Sorry you feel that way, but you are over reacting, man. I am not out to change you. You cconstantly tell me that I am a fool, that I don't have a mind of my own and I'm led by people that have no grasp of reality. It's not the first time you have said stuff like that. But, I take it lightly from you. Now, you call me insulting? Pot calling the kettle black here? BTW, I don't watch Dan Rather, Peter Jennings, or any other national newsman. I don't get my news from TV. Perhaps another assumption you should question before you shove it in someone's face.
treebeard
11:30:04 PM
5/26/03

no man, i'm talkin bout the electroshock post on up there a bit....

i know your not out to change me but that post maed me think you're out to negate me by insinuating that i'm stupid....
stratdewd
11:36:50 PM
5/26/03

I see Strat. That was not meant to insult you. Look man, you admit to enjoying the thrill of throwing zingers out. I have tossed a few at you as you have at me. That was meant in the same spirit. If it touched a nerve, I apologize. My intention is never to cross lines I shouldn't cross. I didn't see that one as that bad, but maybe it was. Please don't look at it as an insult.
treebeard
11:40:02 PM
5/26/03

aight then....
man, lets forget all this political crap and go hikin ....wahtuya say?
stratdewd
11:43:42 PM
5/26/03

sounds good, man...
Treebeard
7:49:45 AM
5/27/03

ahhhh....
UpUrs
10:16:08 AM
5/27/03

lol upurs....he surrendered, so i think i won....
stratdewd
10:22:48 AM
5/27/03

Its all a bunch of crap here anyway! For some people that preach about keeping to the subject of backpacking they sure do a lot of #&%!$ing and crying! I could care less about their political views. I am not sure who they are trying to impress with their useless information!
UpUrs
10:45:45 AM
5/27/03

they are trying to convert people....


well, i am at least....
stratdewd
9:47:05 AM
5/28/03

Limbaughian Evangelist?
Tom Terrific
9:55:40 AM
5/28/03

Limbaughptist.
StickmanWalking
11:01:32 AM
5/28/03

...listen every day for 3-4 weeks?

Rinse and blow-dry and, tah-dah, you're a Ditto Head!
Tom Terrific
11:41:14 AM
5/28/03

Four billion WORLDWIDE POPULATION, all living, have a COMPUTER GOD CONTAINMENT POLICY brain bank brain, a real brain in the brain bank cities on the FAR SIDE OF THE MOON WE NEVER see. Primarily, based on your lifelong FRANKENSTEIN RADIO CONTROLS, especially your EYESIGHT TV, sight and sound recorded by your brain, your MOON BRAIN of the COMPUTER GOD activates your Frankenstein threshold brainwash radio lifelong, inculcating CONFORMIST PROPAGANDA, even FRIGHTENING YOU and mixing you up. This is the WORLDWIDE COMPUTER GOD SECRET CONTAINMENT POLICY. WORLDWIDE COMMUNIST GANGSTER COMPUTER GOD scum-on-top STAGED LIKE HOLLYWOOD with plastic pale stand-in actors with COMMUNIST GANGSTER COMPUTER GOD speed recording, INSTANTANEOUS, SIMULTANEOUS edited simulated voices implanted for all TV and news media microphones IN ANY KNOWN LANGUAGE. Unbelievable con artist gangsterism solely for the overall plan. Worldwide eternal Frankenstein LIVING DEATH SLAVERY. Laugh your mad giggle now. Computer God FRANKENSTEIN EARPHONE RADIO parroting puppet brainless slaves. The history of radio and television in America is WRITTEN BY, FOR AND ABOUT mind control. The worst practitioners, in the United States, are the puppets at N.P.R. who justify every war, every attempt to STARVE THE POOR, laud the leaders with slavish dog like devotion, AS IF THEY WERE HUMAN. With their worldview of grade schoolers, these slime have RULED A VAST EMPIRE without having to use as MANY BAYONETS as the British or the Soviets.
Marvin Gardens
10:01:04 AM
5/29/03

Huh Marvin, I'm trying to remember where you lifted that from. I've read it before and not from you.
treebait
10:02:55 AM
5/29/03

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