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An afternoon and a wake-up, and the sound of ball hitting mitt magically appears on the evening sports newscast.

Soon, the melodic voice of Harry the K will magically materialize on my radio. "That ball's outa here ... homerun Ryan Howard!" Ahhhh spring!
Geobeet
11:29:29 AM
2/14/07

I'm even looking forward to hearing Milo again, that'll last about a week.

Another few weeks and I'll be at home again, Section 127, Row 24, seats 10 & 11.
ChuckD
12:30:30 PM
2/14/07

Phillies broadcaster Chris Wheeler was guest on "Baseball This Morning" on XM from the dugout at Brighthouse Networks Field in Clearwater, Fla. Today's the day.

Thwap, Thwap, Thwap ... Pitchers and Catchers, baybeeeeee!
Geobeet
8:43:10 AM
2/15/07

First spring training game tomorrow..
ChuckD
12:01:50 PM
2/28/07

got my tix for Opening Day! April 2, 2007 - 2:05 pm - Coors Field - Colorado Rockies vs. Arizona Diamondbacks!

Beer and bar food in Lodo for lunch!
Roam Around
12:06:54 PM
2/28/07

Ah, yes, my mind wanders back to all of those classic Rockies/D-backs matchups....



(Are those real teams? Guess I've been outta the loop for a while....)
BowlderMan
7:32:56 PM
2/28/07

Our Giants farm club never gets to start the season in town --- like it would be too much competition for the 'tunament'.

Tiger can't stand up a single A club?

I always thought it would be a nice change of pace (ahem) for the golf fans.
Tilt
8:14:11 PM
2/28/07

I always liked what Ted Williams said about golf compared to baseball. [paraphrasing] In golf, everyone has to be completely silent, and you get to put the ball up on a tee, concentrate as much as you want to, then hit the ball when you're ready. In baseball, you have some guy who might be crazy throwing the ball at 90+ mph (maybe at your head) with various kinds of spins on it, people are screaming at you, and you have to be ready to hit it when it comes in.
BowlderMan
9:38:54 AM
3/01/07

Ah yes indeed. And when it comes in it might break left; it might break right; it might break down; it might break up; it might not break at all; it might hit your noggin; it might be behind you; it might not be anywhere near you. But if you miss it, the fans will boo and call you a bush leaguer. If you hit it out of the park they will cheer you, until the next time you miss it.

And not one of those people is capable of even standing in against what you just faced.

Nothing looks more forelorn than a major leaguer swinging at a slider in the dirt outside when he was expecting a fast ball over the plate.
Geobeet
10:51:05 AM
3/01/07

And so the Phillies begin spring against the Tigers in just a little more than an hour. They had a great exhibition last night against FSU. They opened the clubhouse to those kids and Aaron Rowand held court for them. They were taking pictures of one another in front of Ryan Howard's locker.

During the game, the FSU coach told the catcher to give an intentional walk to Pat Burrell. He turned around and asked the catcher about it. "Yeah, we got orders to put you on." Then he added, "It's just a joke." Then they pitched to him and Burrell doubled.
Geobeet
10:54:20 AM
3/01/07

For Sure.

What my Grandfather always said was, he could never understand why a grown man would want to knock the crap out of a little pee-wee white ball and walk after it all day.

He was a dyed-in-the wool Yankees fan, born in 1892.
Tilt
11:04:30 AM
3/01/07

Zito hung a bunch of goose eggs on the board today in his first appearance in the orange and black.

Giants 9, Cubs 2.
BowlderMan
4:50:16 PM
3/01/07

I LOVE this game!
Roam Around
4:58:32 PM
3/01/07

I listened to the tail end of that game on XM coming home from work. Ron Santo and his sidekick had fun anyway. They're a hoot and a half. I may have to catch some Cubbies games this season to hear those two go at it more often.
Geobeet
6:27:38 PM
3/01/07

Anytime I read a reference to Ted Williams it always makes my day. He was and is my hero. I remember in the 50's racing my older brother for the morning paper so we could check the box scores. I was interested in the BoSox; Ted Williams, Jimmy Piersall and Jim Jensen. My brother worshipped the Milwaukee Braves; Aaron, Matthews, Del Crandall, Spahnie, Lew Burdette. That same year I was voted the MVP in our Little League, we won the championship and I received a baseball autographed by the '57 Yankees, Mantle, Maris, Whitey Ford, Moose Skowron. I slept with my glove and that ball for probably a month. Good memories.
Nimblefoot
6:35:27 PM
3/01/07

I got to watch the Yanks and Twins today at work, we have a big screen for the patients, but we watch it on lunch. The NY pitching looks sharp. Hughes might be the real deal!
BackSlacker
9:07:38 PM
3/01/07

David Bell has been taking HGH. He should get his money back if he has. Didn't do him any good.
Geobeet
8:13:00 AM
3/07/07

New acquisition Freddie Garcia is already ahead of schedule. The season hasn't even started yet and he's already on the DL. Most of our signings go down in their first regular season game in a Phillies uniform.
Geobeet
10:28:08 AM
3/22/07

I will never understand why the Sox traded for him.
Wounded Knee
10:31:46 AM
3/22/07

SI picked the Gigantes to finish last - WTF?!

Also, they have the Tigers 2nd?!

The A's 2nd?!
BowlderMan
10:58:19 AM
3/22/07

heard on talk radio this am.....
(1) Cubs closer Ryan Dempster is training to be a ninja - studying under a sensei in Vancouver - said the hardest thing is learning to be quiet coz he talks a lot.

(2) Tony LaRussa got a DUI - fell asleep (passed out) at a red light at 4 am this morning.
Roam Around
11:00:13 AM
3/22/07

Great Googily ... espn.com has a booking photo on their story: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2807935
Geobeet
11:45:13 AM
3/22/07

From Paul Hagen's column in today's Philly Daily News:

"Red Sox righthander Curt Schilling is writing a blog - 38pitches.com - and yesterday broke the news in it that Boston will solve its closer problem by moving back to the bullpen.
One recent posting, involving an account of his day, drew an amusing response from a reader. "Hey, thanks for the update on your workday. Here's how mine went," it began.

After a detailed account of his travails, he mentions that he went home, watched some college hoops and the news on television and concludes by saying, "Then I told a guy that plays for a team I will always root against, a guy that probably doesn't give a crap about .0001% of the state or part of the country he pitches in, a guy that I hope the Yankees pound every time out, about my day . . . Anyway, keep me updated on life as a baseball player and I'll keep you updated on being a middle-class Yankees fan living in Massachusetts."
Geobeet
4:05:54 PM
3/23/07

The Phillies won today. Cole Hamels pitched well. Chase Utley had two dingers. God's in his heaven and all's right with the world.
Geobeet
4:40:48 PM
3/25/07

Hey, can I hide on this thread so I don't have to post on the basketball thread????
Dunadan
12:40:17 AM
3/26/07

It's a baseball thread
Not a basketball forum
Hie thee hence dribbler
Geobeet
8:31:52 AM
3/26/07

Less than a week to go.
Geobeet
8:16:24 AM
3/28/07

2 mo days



I LOVE BASEBALL!!
BackSlacker
10:53:58 PM
3/30/07

Ahhh yes, a testimony to beer power.
Geobeet
8:14:15 AM
3/31/07

Giants/A's tied last night in 10. They had A's 3rd base coach Rene Lachman (sp?) and Nick Swisher miked - it was hilarious!!
BowlderMan
10:00:34 AM
3/31/07

We were walking from our car to a restaurant about a mile from the Giants ballpark last night, when some guy drove up, rolled down his window, and offered us free tickets to the game. Imagine his surprise when BowlderGal informed him that the game had already been played earlier in the afternoon!
BowlderMan
9:28:59 AM
4/01/07

Tonight's the night!!!!!
Geobeet
12:30:44 PM
4/01/07

After one inning on opening day, Bret Myers got his first strikeout, Ryan Howard got his first hit, and Bobby Cox got into his first squawk against an umpire.

God's in his heaven and all's right with the world!
Geobeet
12:25:19 PM
4/02/07

... and the pen coughed up the first game of the year ... already in mid-season form.
Geobeet
3:10:07 PM
4/02/07

UM justr checking have the Braves been mathematically eliminated from the Series again?
XL400236
3:13:24 PM
4/02/07

Man, I just have this feeling the Giants just can't lose today!!
BowlderMan
3:19:54 PM
4/02/07

Royals 7, Red Sox 1.
Let the World Series begin! (NOW!)
Dunadan
11:39:10 PM
4/02/07

Giants still undefeated - woo hoo!!



A's: Well, we can still go 161-1


Tigers: Same as A's....
BowlderMan
11:14:04 AM
4/03/07

The Braves are taking Heimlich training for later on in the season....
XL400236
12:45:34 PM
4/03/07

Zito just walked in a run. 3-0 Pads in the 4th. $127 Million for walking in runs?!
BowlderMan
4:37:17 PM
4/03/07

Heck, I'll take a mere $2 mil a year to walk in guys....
BowlderMan
9:09:14 PM
4/03/07

I would too. How many bounces do they let you have on the way to home plate?
Geobeet
8:36:45 AM
4/04/07

For walks, somewhere between 1 and infinity, inclusive.
last edited: 4/04/07 9:38:52 AM
BowlderMan
9:38:32 AM
4/04/07

I think we'd do better this season if, when it's time to take out the starter, we just let the other team hit fungoes.
Geobeet
12:10:05 PM
4/04/07

Was it "Ball Four" where the guy who invented the term "fungo" was ID'd? Some coach on the Yankees, IIRC....
BowlderMan
12:11:57 PM
4/04/07

From some internet site I googled
FIGURING OUT FUNGO

"Then him and Carey was
together in left field, catchin' fungoes, and it was after we was through
for the day, that Carey told me about him." (Ring Lardner, Round Up, 1929)



Any baseballer worth his pinstripes, is familiar with the term, "fungo". But just how did the word come to be? Nobody seems to know for sure.

This is what Mr. Webster has to say about the illusive little word that means so much to roundballers:

fungo: n. pl. -goes Baseball. A practice fly ball hit to a fielder with a specially designed bat. [Origin Unknown.]

Well thank you Mr. Webster for that insightful tidbit!



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So, since this was becoming about as clear as the dirt in the batter's box, we shall now dig a little deeper into the "true" origins of "Fungo."

Below, you will find two particular offerings and a sprinkling of assorted opinions and details.

The first is rather romantic and comes as told by John Hamilton "Pops" Shows to his grandson, Duke Boutwell of Pensacola, Florida. (in this case circa 1958)"

But for those of you who Just have to to know every detail - from the dimension of a dugout to the despicable demeanor of Ty Cobb, there is a more 'academic' treatise graciously donated by Alan Eckley.

As the gentle reader, we encourage you to make your own call! Read On! All credit is given to sources when known.



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Fun-Go

I asked my grandfather (Pops) that question when I was about eleven years old or so (about forty years ago) before he died. He was probably the world's greatest fan and the most knowledgeable individual then or now, on baseball and some other things, that I've ever known. He is obviously not an ultimate, or even credible, source, but here's what he told me: bats have always been traditionally made of ash or hickory, relatively soft woods, but hardened over time as the resins set up after machining and really resisted splintering. No one could afford machined (lathed) bats and would make pine and poplar bats to play an illegal game called fun-go ball. These bats were very inexpensive to make and had incredible "pop" when they struck the ball.

Home plate would be backed up to the backstop, eliminating the need for a catcher and all the boys in the neighborhoods would play "fun-go ball." Homeruns were the rule because of the incredible batspeed and compression energy the fungo bat could generate off the rubber-wound balls. Often times, the opposite field was eliminated from play and five-man teams were it. (pitcher, 1st, shortfielder, and 2 outfielders. I'll keep searching for a verifiable source on this subject.

--------The Dukester ( feared and respected "Blue" that hails from Pensacola, Florida- oft noted for
his knowledge of the history of baseball and its rules.)


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Everything You Wanted To Know About Fungo But Were Afraid To Ask!

The Fun/Go Theory. Writing in the February 1937 American Speech,David Shulman said: "My guess is that the word, which is baseball slang, may be explained through the elements of a compound word, fun and go."

An item in the Sporting News (May 23, 1981) reports on research by Bill Bryson of The Des Moines Register, who says that the chant, "One goes, two goes," etc., comes from a street game in which a player catching a certain number of fly balls was qualified to replace the batter.

A variation on this appears in Patrick Ercolano's Fungoes, Floaters and Fork Balls when he said, "Still others believe that the word has it derivation in rhyme consisting of the words 'run and go.' Hy Turkin, in his1956 Baseball Almanac, suggests, "an old game in which the man using this style of hitting would yell, 'One go, two goes, fun goes.'"

Still another variation of this theory appears in William Safire's What's the Good Word; Safire publishes no less than 13 theories, genuine and tongue-in-check, that were originally sent to him in response to a query in his New York Times language column. A letter from Frederick L. Smith of Short Hllls, N. J., says: In a substantial amount of this century's earlier English literature, especially some humorous things by P. G. Wodehouse.

There is reference to the warm-up for cricket matches involving 'fun goes,' i.e. practice strokes before the game began in earnest. I have always taken it as a fact of life that 'fungo' represents a shortening of this Englishusage."


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The Fungible Theory. As stated in Zander Hollander's Baseball Lingo: The word 'fungoble' means something that can substituted for another and it is thought that in baseball the think fungo stick got its name because it replace the conventional bat."


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The Fungus Theory, According to a note made by Peter Tamony, the matter was discussed on KLX radio in San Francisco on April 10, 1956. Burt Dunne, radio-TV director of the San Francisco Seals and a student of
baseballese, attributed it to an unnamed Princeton professor who claimed the bat hitting the ball sounded like fungus wood. Dunne added that the early fungo bats were regular bats that had been slit in two and then bound with tape. Tamony himself had written in the October 1937 American Speech that the word "refers to the lightness of the instrument."

A number of others think it came from the feel rather than the sound of fungus. For instance, Joseph McBride explains in his High and Inside" the bats, with very narrow handles and extra thick heads, were so soft that they seemed to be made of fungus."

Another fungus variation appears in the Safire collection of letters. It is from Stephen V. Fulkerson of Santa Paula, California, who says he first heard the word 50 years ago as a synonym for on-genuine or not bone fide, such as a fungo that is not a real fly ball. He relates this to fungus in the sense that rural people regard a fungus lacking the character of a real plant, which puts in roots in the ground.


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The Fungen Theory. In February 1, 1987, Comments on Etymology Professor Gerald Cohen of the University of Missouri-Rolla writes, : Perhaps its origin is thought be sought in German fungen 'to catch'; we now think of ungoing a ball as hitting it, but the early quotes show clearly that the emphasis of a fungo game was on the balls being caught."

One of Cohen's citations is this explanation of a fungo game from American Folk Lore IV, 1891: "The game is played on a vacant lot, or in the middle of a wide street. One boy is chosen for batsman and the others stand around at some distance from him. A baseball is used and the batsman throws it in the air, and then bats it out to the fielders, who endeavor to catch the ball 'on the fly.' The one who first catches the ball a certain number of times that has been agreed upon, takes the batsman place for another game." Cohen also provides some instances of fungo as it was used in the New York World in the 1889-1890 period, including this one from the October 26, 1889, edition. "Ward's fungo was simply pousee- cafe' for Corkhill, and he swalled it smoothly."


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The Fung Theory. One of the letters on fungo that appear in William Safire's What's the Good Word is from Jan H. Hall, associate editor for the Dictionary of American Regional English (DARE), in Madison, Wisconsin. She asserts that is from a Scottish verb, fung. Her letter reads in part; "According to The Scottish National Dictionary the verb 'fung,' meaning 'to pitch, toss, fling,' was in use in Aberdeen as early as 1804; 'Ye witches, warlocks, fairies, fien's! Daft funging 'fiery pears an' stanes.'" She says that the connection with ball playing is that the ball is flung into the air before it is hit and that the "-o" ending is common in other games (bingo, beano, bunco and keno).


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Fungo Batting Fungo Stick n. Bat for pregame hitting practice. It is usually longer and thinner than a regular bat.


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Fungo Bazooka n. A mechanical device that uses air pressure to fire balls into the air for fielding practice.


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Fungo circles n. Two circular patches of dirt located on either side of home plate in foul territory. They are used by fungo batters and average about seven feet in diameter.


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And for good measure, here's a few more definitions and opines.....

A fly ball hit to a player during practice. "Then him and Carey was together in left filed, catchin' fungoes, and it was after we was through for the day, that Carey told me about him." (Ring Lardner, Round Up, 1929)

The act of hitting a fly ball to a player during practice. It is usually thrown up in the air by the batter or fungoer and hit as it descends through the strike-zone. The primary purpose of this is to give fielders practice catching fly balls. The batter is often a coach. Some times hitted as 'to fungo bat,' An example would be: "He used to come out sometimes on Saturday and fungo bat for the players." (Gilbert Patten, "Covering the look in Corner" DS.)

A very long, light bat used in practice to hit flies to the outfield. In design gives the batter the ability to place his hits with greater accuracy.

n. A scratch hit.

According to Joe Reichler's Great Book of Baseball Records, a newsstand publication of 1957, it first appeared in Haney's Book of Reference, which was published by Henry Chadwick. In it fungo is defined as: "A preliminary practice game in which one players takes the bat and, tossing the ball up, hits it as it falls, and if the ball is caught in the fieldon the on the fly, and if the ball is caught in the field on the fly, the player catching it takes the bat. It is useless as practice in batting, but good for taking fly balls.."

David Shulman was able to date the use of fungo back to a March 3, 1886. issue of Sporting Life. "While watching some of our freshmen practicing fungo' batting the other afternoon, it occurred to me that is was about the worse kind of practice a batsman could imagine in training his eye in batting." Edward J. Nichols was able to find fungo used as a verb as early as 1892 (Brooklyn Daily Eagle), July 17.

The etymology of this word is uncertain., which allows for plenty of good theories and a certain amount of linguistic frustration. John Ciardi wrote:"Fungo in baseball has never been explained. I have seen efforts to derive it from L.[atin] fungo, I do undertake to discharge an obligation." He then adds with clear disdain, "Having noted the suggestion, I understand to believe the form remains unexplained."

To club with a bat or stick. "I'm sure that if most Americans should walk through the crowded wards [of wounded] they should grab baseball bats and hit a few fungoes the next time the Communists assemble in Union Square." (Jimmy Cannon on a Communists rally in New York, quoted in Time August 28,1950 ' PT)


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And here we were thinking it was just a little, ol' skinny bat
Geobeet
1:21:27 PM
4/04/07

Whoa!

I finally remembered who it was I remember (maybe from Ball Four, maybe from somewhere else) - it was Frank Crosetti who was given credit for coining the term in whatever source I read....
BowlderMan
2:26:48 PM
4/04/07

My own fungo theory: the fun go when the bullpen door open.
Geobeet
1:04:15 PM
4/05/07

Geobeet
7:57:03 AM
4/06/07

Loved the corked gavel in that one!!!!
BowlderMan
9:25:31 AM
4/06/07

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