Hi ho Hi ho off to War we go?

“ok so what did brush just say?
is it war or not?
I get confused listening to him.

mapleleaf (lost in password hell!)”

“I feel that Bush is just giving a promise that if Saddam doesn't do what he wants than there will be war...I dont' believe the questions is will there be war...the question I have is when?”

“Basically he said that Saddam is a dead man.”

“did you see the hussan/ 60 minute interview? come on...what do you think?”

“i heard him say he promised that hussein will be disarmed. it's huhssein's choice how that happens.”

“I am actually glad that the war is postponed a few days. This will give the news channel more time to get their equipment into place. If it takes a few more days of no gun camera video to make sure we get good coverage of the entire theater of operations then I am all for it.”

“We saw/heard Bush. No change in his verbage. My wife even said that before I did!

But did you notice, his upper lip doesn't move when he speaks! Saw the same thing when McCain spoke on Sunday.

What is it? Move to Warshington and they freeze your upper lip?”

“Your question brings to mind a saying I came across some years back.

"The king's heart is like channels of water in the hand of the Lord; He turns it wherever He wishes." -King Solomon”

“I thought Iraq was an artillary range for the US, has this changed?”

“"I am actually glad that the war is postponed a few days. This will give the news channel more time to get their equipment into place. If it takes a few more days of no gun camera video to make sure we get good coverage of the entire theater of operations then I am all for it."
hyway
10:47:45 PM
02/26/03

Without being personal to you hyway, I feel that treating war as a spectator sport is indicative of the degeneration of humankind. Those are real lives in buildings and tanks when they are pounded with an airstrike.”

“(2/26/2003 - OGI: Singapore) The Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC), representing 40 countries and 20 key oil producing nations, has expressed its opposition to the US and UK plans to attack Iraq if it does not comply fully with United Nations resolution 1441, and has called on Iraq to comply with that resolution and to fully cooperate with UN weapons inspectors. The special meeting of Islamic leaders and ministers, meeting in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, said today that they will consider using oil as a means of pressuring the US and UK to prevent the pending war.
Malaysia's Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad said no decision has yet been made, but, "There has been a suggestion that we look at using our oil wells in order to exert pressure. How this can be done is something else, but there is a consensus as to the need for us to think about these things."
Mahathir added, "This is something very dangerous. Some say it may cause a lot of repercussions, but if we do not think about it, we will not be able to exert some influence. Of course, there were some views that such weapons could rebound and we might have to pay a very high price. Nevertheless, we agreed that we should think about it, not just dismiss it."”

“from what I understand most news organizations are ready to go from March 7 onwards”

“really, real people die in a war. I'm glad you told me that, I had no idea.

Actually, I am from a military family, grew up in military town during the height of the vietnam war. I know what happens in war and not only to the poor b@stards in the tanks and buildings, but to their families back at home. My flippancy is an attempt to rise above the hollow, insincere war debate. Where were these dabates when we went into Kosovo, Somalia, etc. The majority of the opposition to going in and disarming Iraq has more to do with who the President is than any real anti-war belief.”

“The war has been a foregone conclusion for months.”

“Not mine, hyway.”

“Chili, you are one of the few honest objectors, but you don't really count since you aren't a pompous windbag like those people currently using their status as professional liars (actors) to voice their uneducated opinions on the world stage. These are people we wouldn't take advice from on how to raise our children, but we are supposed to believe they have any real value to add to world affairs.

I know, the common refrain now is to say that Reagan was an actor. The difference between him (as well as other politicians like him who were once actors) and the Baldwins of the world is that Reagan went thru the electorial process and (rightly or wrongly) won enough votes from the public to be considered AS a legitimate voice for the people.”

“Sorry, Hyway. I am inclined to agree with Chili. It is a bit presumptuous to say that most people who disagree are simply 'anti-Bush.' There are those of us who have thought this through a lot more than you give us credit for. Some of us feel that war is a 'last resort.' this is something the present administration said but didn't put into practice. They did not exhaust all possibilities by any means. Like Tilt said, a foregone conclusion...”

“The majority of the opposition to going in and disarming Iraq has more to do with who the President is than any real anti-war belief. -- hyway

I disagree with this statement. I think the majority of the opposition are people who feel that there are better ways to accomplish foreign policy other than through the taking of human life. Call me idealisitic. In addition to moral reasons, I also oppose the war from a governing standpoint. What about North Korea? Where's the focus on the economy? Skyrocketing unemployment? Medical care? Loose borders?”

“I am surprised that people who are against disarming Iraq would disagree with my assessment of the hollywood elite who have become the focal point of the anti-war movement.”

“OK, you people who don't want this war because people die. That's fine with me. The decision to go into Iraq lays with the someone else not you. This, therefore I'am thankful.

North Korea is an extortionist country. They like to saber rattle
to try and get what they want from us. We will ignore them unless they attack our us or our allies. The North knows they are caught between a rock and a hard place. They can't actually attack anyone without their country being totally destroyed. This I'm sure they know and that's why they haven't done anything.”

“I'm not sure what you are watching. I read very little about what the Hollywood set has to say about the war. I know Babs Streisand has been pretty outspoken about it. Baldwin has always voiced his irritation about Bush. Personally, if they can use their clout to draw more attention to the anti-war effort and the nonsensical actions the Bush administration is taking with regards to Iraq, I'm all for it.”

“Wow, I really butchered that last post.”

“But they gained that clout by being pretending to be what they aren't. wait a minute that sounds exactly like a politician. Geez, now I have even more reason to discount the opinions of professional play actors.”

“You have hit the nail on the head.”

“In addition to moral reasons, I also oppose the war from a governing standpoint. What about North Korea? Where's the focus on the economy? Skyrocketing unemployment? Medical care? Loose borders?"
roseymonster
11:46:53 AM
02/27/03

What is the Democratic position on these issues?

George Bush stole the election?

MoooooHaaaaHaaaa”

“I really don't know about the Korea thing. I don't support its actions in any way, but if my country had been labelled part of an axis of evil, and an superpower with massive military power were about to invade the first on this list, then I would take the steps necessary to defend my country - I think any nation would. Having said this I think it's all just brinksmanship, Kim is using the situation to his and his people's advantage - is he not justified in doing this?”

“Having said this I think it's all just brinksmanship, Kim is using the situation to his and his people's advantage

No, just to Kim's advantage. He doesn't care about anybody outside his army.

The main problem with Bush's strategy with North Korea (refusing direct bilateral negotiations) is that North Korea is not the only actor in the region. While Bush can be fairly confident Kim won't do anything stupidly suicidal to get attention, Bush can't really know what China, Japan, or South Korea may do to aggravate the situation. For example, Japan just recently announced it will preemptively strike NK if it feels NK is threatening to attack. If Japan actually does, there's a pretty high chance all hell may break loose. Bush's strategy is a risky gamble.”

“yeah, I take your first point there Mutt. I should have kept it at looking after his own interests.”

“Iraq, IMO, would serve as a logical steppingstone toward NK. Our boys need the practice...

If war broke out on the Peninsula, NK would pound the South with 300,000 rounds of cannonfire per HOUR. SK would incur one million casualties during the first 24 hours. SK, however, prolly won't let 24 hours pass before releasing the nukes. Yes, tactical nuclear munitions. Dayam... it's gonna be ugly.”

“The Saddan interview was awesome!

I didn't realize that he won re-election with 100% of the vote. They must really love him.”

“Saddan Saddam”

“"...then I would take the steps necessary to defend my country."

NK has has been taking those steps for the past 50 years. They're very, very dug in. Conventional "bunker busters" will prolly be ineffectives...

If there should be a need for a manned invasion, the boys will be walking into a proverbial hornet's nest.

Hopefully our Hornets are up to the task...”

“As featured in "Independence Day".”

“did you notice Saddam never answered ol' Dan's question about why he thinks he can win this war if he didn't win the last one? he seemed to be responding to the exact opposite! funny.

and, don't you think it would've made for better Reality TV if they'd had Dan shoot him or poison him or something? i guess he was searched first, though...alas.”

“Why do you think they wouldn't allow CBS cameras or tape recorders? - insane but not stupid.”

“didn't realize that he won re-election with 100% of the vote. They must really love him."
Violin
01:29:34 PM
02/27/03.



nothing like a little Torture to make you feel loved (helps with votes too)”

“I thought it was 99.9% of the vote. Of course, that might have been before the recount (and the burials).”

“no it was only after when they discovered the fact that 1% of the people that voted had died 10 years before.”

“Ari was pissed that CBS didn't let him do a rebuttal. Do they really think Joe six-pack is so dumb that he might not realize that Hussein is a lying sack of #&%!$?”

“Boy, Hyway, the others have pretty much said it, but I'll say it again. Not all of us are just suddenly "peaceniks against Bush." I, for one, believe deeply in non-violent methods. I don't change that view because Joe Blow or John Doe are the current president. I form my opinions, make my decisions, choose my values, based on what I know to be right inside of myself, not based on the whatever is the current, and normally ridiculous, political correctedness (whether that be in support of or against a leader).”

“Could you imagine if your president were an autocratic war-hungry madman who secured his power through family connections and fixed elections?”

“Violin, I cannot imagine that ever happening...”

“HA! took me a minute, Violin...”

“By any means necessary.

Imagine if Gore had been in the Whitehouse on 9/11. Makes me shutter.”

“Violenin is obviously referring to John F. Kennedy.”

“I want to thank violin and roseymonster for making my point for me. Thank you, thank you very much.

Although I think violin is a hawk and wants to deal death in Iraq.”

“Joe Walsh could have been in the White House and the nation would have rallied behind his words on 9/11. What detriment would Gore have imposed on us that day? Please answer...”

“Well we know G.W. wasn't it the White House that day anyway, he was heading for the bunker”

“Good observation, Ynami...”

“ynami you are so silly. I suppose you think he should have ordered Air Force One to fky straight to one of the known missing airliners and tried to shoot it down from the cockpit windows.

God, your idea of command prudence would have lost us this country before we ever had the chance to win it.”