Bush one vote away from Arctic drilling OK

“sacco is right, it's not only the drilling for oil that buggers the environment.

The most devastating effect of pertoleum is burning it.

I'm with the "nutz" too.”

“Hey, Dave.......it's me man!!”

“I would feel much better about drilling in ANWR if...

...the same people who want to open the area to drilling weren't the same people who want to relax emissions regulations.

...the same people who want to open the area to drilling weren't the same people who want to redo Clinton's roadless initiatives.

...the same people who want to open the area to drilling weren't the same people who have completely abandoned working on an international level with those inside the Kyoto Treaty.

I am persuadable on ANWR. If technology can be used that minimizes impact to the wildlife and the revenue is used to purchase other wild lands and we are working overall in an environmentally sensitive way, then - shoot - I'm all for drilling in ANWR.

But right now, we're not.

But I also believe that the time for discussion of this is not now. Right now, people just have to play power politics. Contact legislators. Give money. And let the representatives vote.

Also, environmentalists need to oppose Bush's social security privatization. One victory breeds another. If the Democrats can kill privatization, then they can stall other bad pieces of Bush's agenda.”

“Trail head are you kidding, there'll be fences and no trespassing signs for days! You won't be able to get anywhere near it!”

“I am persuadable on ANWR. If technology can be used that minimizes impact to the wildlife and the revenue is used to purchase other wild lands and we are working overall in an environmentally sensitive way, then - shoot - I'm all for drilling in ANWR.

reformed lurker

Great, another proud supporter. Actually, that is a given under NEPA requirements federally mandated by law. With a few exceptions of course.
last edited: 3/08/05 2:48:40 PM”

“Well aparently it's been bolted onto the budget bill to allow a 51 majority to blocvk a filibuster rather than 60 votes needed if it's voted on seperately.”

“Thank heavens. Finally the political obstructionists can go to hell and suck their thumbs. Now we can get some business done.”

“Send in drills - 51 to 49”

“Is it me or does the Social Security seem like a front while almost everything else flies in under the radar? Love 'em or hate 'em they really seem to be getting their entire agenda pushed through over the past year.”

“Drill it, burn it and get the hell out. Any place on Earth that has oil will be drilled. End of story.”

“Poll Shows Support for Oil Drilling in ANWR


In a poll released by Harris Interactive on January 27, 2005, energy reform was listed by the public as being a top agenda for the new Congress to consider. More importantly, one of the questions in the poll's first table asked, "How much would you support or oppose the following items that might be on the agenda of the new Congress?" Energy reform to allow companies the ability to drill for oil in certain areas such as the Alaska National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR) to decrease our reliance on foreign oil

The results showed 53 percent of the American people supported allowing companies the ability to drill for oil in certain areas such as the Alaska National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR).

http://www.harrisinteractive.com/harris_poll/index.asp?PID=539”

“The results showed 53 percent of the American people supported allowing companies the ability to drill for oil in certain areas such as the Alaska National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR).

That is because they don't care. It is not in their backyard.”

“I don't follow you WK, The people whose backyard it actually is (Alaskans) support drilling in much higher numbers.”

“While all of this is going on, the EPA yesterday issued its long awaited mercury reduction standards. It set a 70 percent reduction by the year 2018, when a 90-some percent reduction is achievable and the Clean Air Act calls for a greater reduction.

The Bubya Administration is hailing this as a good thing.

Enjoy your tuna fish with the added ingredient folks! Snarf up those fish sticks.”

“hmmmm... merkry meak me spel gut!”

“detonate the earth - begin self destruct mechanism now - T minus 60 seconds”

“Geez, who do you over-the-top the world's gonna end maniacs think you are?


Al Gore?”

“Alaskans will get jobs. That is why they are in favor.

I am not criticizing this move. I don't know what to think. I have read that the amount of oil under the plots they plan to drill at is not substantial. Where does the oil go after it is brought to the surface? I have heard to many people say that it will be sold to other nations. That is fine if it is true. I don't think anyone can say, for a fact, when the oil will go.

Will it be used to supplement our reserves? Will we see gas prices at the pumps decline after this oil is brought up?

I would like honest answers to these questions. I will admit I am naive to this subject.”

“Go ingest some mercury and tell me how good it is for you. Even the weak-kneed EPA has advisories out on mercury, which is coming from coal-fired power plants.”

“I also don't know enough about this to have an informed opinion. I'd like not to see them screw the ANWR up too badly, though.”

“What unrestricted drilling helped do to Louisiana. The last time I posted this I was attacked by Nowslimmer and called a clown. We are running out of sand to hide our head in. It is washing away. The problem is more complex than the damage from the oil industry but, the damage was done in the name of national progress.


http://www.savelawetlands.org/site/newprob.html”

“stupid,stupid,stupid..use the friggin capped oil wells in the US first

also don't be suprised if you never see this oil. The companies will sell it overseas just like their doing with the other pipeline.
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“For the record, as John Muir would have as well, I strongly oppose drilling ANWR.”

“All you want to know about mercury, and then some.
http://www.epa.gov/mercury/”

“Well, if Buck's against it, I'M FOR IT.”

“DRILL!! DRILL!! DRILL!! DRILL!! DRILL!! DRILL!! DRILL!! DRILL!! DRILL!! DRILL!!”

“Put a Caribou in your Tank!

”

“Hey! Is that the outfit Dick wore to the Auschwitz Memorial?”

“bateauxdriver, I wonder if those little ol levies that were built all along the mississippi might, now I know this may be way out there, but could they have maybe had a little to do with the loss of wetlands?”

“I think if you read his post a little more carefully, he already stated that "The problem is more complex than the damage from the oil industry."”

“The Senate just passed the vote.”

“Bison posted that two hours ago SS. Where ya been?”

“Geo, I read his post the main point that he made, with his very first sentence, was "What unrestricted drilling helped do to Louisiana." Then later mentions that its a little more complex, but never mentioned the real reason they are loosing so much.”

“Thanks for pointing that out Geobeet.

Hyway we all benefit from those mounds of dirt that line the Mississippi. They were put there so that the heartland of America cound be opened to commerce. The Mississippi River Valley has some of the richest soil in the country. The Corps of Engineers with the best interest of the country attempted to tame the river. The benefits of the Corps work is great. The damage is also great. Where we live in South Louisiana is a low floodplain. Sheet flooding from thousands of years built this place from heartland sediment. The levee prevents that flooding and denies the marshes and swamps of natural nutrients. The river channel once clogged with sand now runs deep and narrow. This allows barge traffic and dollars to flow. The discovery of oil in Louisiana brought economic boom and environmental disaster to Louisiana. The marshes that were feed by the fresh water of the Mississippi was criss crossed by canals that brought in saltwater. The plants holding the sediment in place died and the land is washing away. The thousands of canals were dug to bring in drilling rigs on barges, to feed a growing nation its needed oil. The wells were pumped and the marsh abandoned. This is no myth it is history. Those canals flowed with the tide and cut deeper and deeper till they became lakes instead of land. There is little oil left in the marshes of Louisiana now and the oil companies have looked elsewhere. Now they drill in thousands of feet of water out in the Gulf of Mexico. Offshore platforms are a great idea because little damage to the environment is done.
I believe Alaska can be drilled with minimal impact as well. Unfortunately, business looks for the cheapest legal way to make a profit. I know this first hand I work for a major chemical company.”

“Bateaux, much of the MS wetlands have those same type canals. Damn salt water kills.”

“OK, I'm waiting for the price of gas to come down!


Tomorrow morning too soon?”

“Alaskans are Aholes.


they want the drilling because it puts money directly in their pocket in the form of the annual dividend.

Not only is there no state income tax, every resident of Alaska gets paid a divdidend based on oil revenue.

OF COURSE they are in favor of drilling.

A whore is a whore is a whore is a whore.




6 month supply of f-ing oil.


We'd do far far far better requiring 1 more gallon of fuel effciency out of SUVS.

Bush plays to oil because its all he knows. he is a narrow minded f-ing simpleton.

tht oil WILL NOT DO ONE THING to make us less dependent. That arugement is a crock of merde.


it'll go onto th epsot market an be sold to japan, or china or where ever else.


Chances are not a drop of it will be used in the US. Hell . . ..BP or other foreign companies may well be the drillers.

BUSH = ENVIRONMENTAL TERRORIST.

HE IS THE OSAMA BIN LADEN IN OUR MIDST. HE IS THE KILLER OF FOREST, STREAM AIR AND NOW TUNDRA.


WHAT A MAJOR F-ING A-HOLE.”

“Tell us how ya feel, lee! ;-)”

““Bateaux, much of the MS wetlands have those same type canals. Damn salt water kills.”
StoveStomper
4:18:19 PM
So true StoveStomper. We need oil no one can doubt that. The developing countries of the world are using more and we haven't slowed down either. I think we can put our heads together and do it right. You guys are both engineers, I just a dummy that walks the decks of a chemical plant with channel-locks. It is your job as engineers to come up with the ideas to do this right and protect the environment. Lets not let another Louisiana happen.”

“Even though the ADVERTISED total area to be disturbed to drill is relatively small, it represents hundreds of well sites spread over thousands of acres... and all of those sites will have to be connected by roads.

Consequently, the acreage actually disturbed is far greater than what oil industry puppets would have you believe.”

“LOL, if it doesn't have electrons, I don't deal with them. BSEE here.”

“One thing to consider is all the shouting over the Alaska pipeline a few years ago about what a disaster it would be.
There are more wildlife around it now that then.”

““LOL, if it doesn't have electrons, I don't deal with them. BSEE here.”
StoveStomper

I don't mean you personally Stovie. I mean the Civil,Chemical,Petro, etc. Engineers that are working on the project. You and I would be much better off discussing this issue on a sandspit barrier island in the gulf with a cold Abita!”

“Stovie the pipeline in Alaska was built with safeguard for the environment and animals. There are walkovers and tunnels for the animals to migrate through. There are shutdown and leak detection measures. Those are the kind of things I'm talking about that need to be engineered.”

“How much of that oil is coming to the US? Very damn little since is being sold to Japan,China and other countries.

if the US is in such an oil crunch you would think they would have certain rules/regulations on the oil companies that 90% of the oil and gas coming out of Alaska now would have to be shipped here. The same should apply this time”

“Silly Ewker, ... if we sell that Alaskan oil in the US, we can't #&%!$ about the Arabs!”

“screw the environment. screw nature. screw wilderness, it's all going to hell! Pave it over.”

“Now that our gas prices will start to plumit, I am going to start the first Hummer taxi cab service.

Anyone want to invest?”

“Pave it over?! Whooohoooo, I wouldn't mind going up there for a few road projects and do some hiking/camping while I am there.”