Today Is The Day We Go To WAR

“Doesn't the Pres need Congressional approval to declare war?”

“Nice thought, ULTRAPecker. What has California done to you to make such a foolish statement?”

“He can't help that he was born a dickhead.

Limpy: Congress gave him carte blanc a few months ago.”

“Can they give him pre-approval? What if he were a mad-man?”

“If?”

“Me thinks that Bush can go in without goingto congress. Police action, maybe? He has to, I think, within 90 days seek Congress declarationof war or must pull out. Anyone? Anyone?”

“LOL Limpy, they're scratching their heads now aren't they.

It wouldn't have made any difference if they hadn't given it to him. He would have given them an ultimatum. Leave Congress or be removed by force.”

“I think the decision to go to war is a bad one. I think the current Pres. Bush and his administration totally botched the process of coalition building. I fear that he is totally reversing the economic and diplomatic strength built up by his father and Clinton.

That said, I must hope that the war and its aftermath work out well for this country, our troops, Iraqi's and the world.

It's a little like when a guy bet his rent money and his kids college tuition on a horse. It's a bonehead move, a product of misplaced priorities - but still, I have to hope that this bad bet pays off. Too many lives are riding on it.

The one reassurance I have is that we have a highly professional and dedicated military... but, I think taking Iraq will be the easy part.”

“You guys have got me all wrong.
This is not my strategery at all.

I just want to play with the red button.”

“Terrific and Rosey can blow it out their a$$es.”

“Me too, I want to blow it out my ass too!

Screw Bush and wolfowitz and perle and cheney and all the other war-mongering imperialists.

God be with our troops.”

“Hey, I'd just be giving back to the White House the rationale they've given us for invading Iraq...stinky, hot air!”

“Ahhh!

(blowing it out my arse!)

Phaedrus, I'll stand cheek to cheek with ya, buddy!”

“Me thinks that Bush can go in without goingto congress. Police action, maybe? He has to, I think, within 90 days seek Congress declarationof war or must pull out. Anyone? Anyone?"
laqtis
12:02:40 PM
03/17/03

Last year, the Congress overwhelmingly passed the War Powers Bill which granted the President broad authority to take action without a declaration of War.

Relevant statutory authority is .”

“Seems to me it started some time ago.

I think the 'Iraqi dissidents' are more likely special ops forces or at least acting under their direction. Of course we've probably passed the point where any particular report is as likely to be misinformation as it is to be fact.”

“What's this coalition crap?

This is personal - we don't need anyone's approval to do what we have to do. It was The United States of America that was attacked on 9/11, not the UN Security Council.

9/11 changed everything.
Unprecendented behavior requires unprecedented reaction.

The United States of America has declared war - not France, not Germany, not Camaroon.”

“Sorry gojo, but the US has NOT declared war.”

“OH really? If it's so fecking personal, why are we attacking Iraq? Seems like with that line of reasoning, Saudi Arabia would be the top choice.”

“I have yet to hear any connections between 9/11 and Iraq. Enlighten me, please.”

“You'd be better off not posting and just sitting back and watching this circle jerk these guys have going on in this thread. They think they are expressing the views of the majority of Americans, but in truth it is just a handfull (pun intended) of Bush (pun intended again,:-) ) haters pulling each others pud and getting off on each others motions.”

“hyway seems like an expert on circle jerks.”

“45 percent of the American population is hardly a handful.

Hit the highway, dude!”

“...I really did not want to post my opinion in public, but like always I can't shut up...

I think we (the US) should've never got involved in the first place. Those countries down their have their own customs, religion, just their own way of life. They will always be fighting against each other.
12 years ago the US had to get involved (not because of the oil issue, just because we did not want to watch Iraq take over Kuwait, at least that's what we where told back then).

Now, it's too late, now the attention is towards the US, now President Bush feels threatend. I really honestly don't think that 9/11 would've happend if we would've kept out of their business 12 years ago. (talking about the islamic countries in general).

I feel that we (the whole world)was never closer to another worldwar, and that really does scare the shlt out of me.

On the other hand I also understand that Hussein did lie to us consistently, and the risk NOW not to do anything about it is just too big. (first he did NOT have any weapons, now he's giving up the weapons that he should've not had in the first place)

I know a lot of you disagree.”

“Democrats were fairly spineless with the War Powers Act this time around. They remembered getting burned on Gulf War I.

The aftermath will be interesting, to say the least. Did anyone else catch Dana Priest on Booknotes?”

“So, all you Bush bashers, what do you see as Saddam's responsibility for this war? If he really has the best interest of the Iraqi people in mind, why doesn't he resign or comply with the UN Security Council resolutions? Remember, Iraq has the responsibility to prove that it doesn't have illegal weapons.”

“I missed it but reading the interview makes me want to read the book.

thanks for bringing it up, Tilt.”

“This whole mess could have been avoided if Bush Daddy and Uncle Ronny hadn’t subverted US law to arm a brutal dictator that many of their own advisors told them not to trust: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/docs/speeches/clinton.dir/c135.txt" target="_blank">The Road Not Taken”

“Yes, it was extremely timely, I thought. She was also on Washington Journal one day last week answering viewers' questions.”

“I know Saddam will have to proof that he doesn't have any illegal weapons. Honestly tho, I don't think anything would prevent a war from happening right now. I do understand it to a certain point, "once a lier always a lier." <--talking about Saddam)

I must confess that I am somehow confused myself. Not confused about the issue itself, but about my feelings that do tear me from one opinion to the other. I just can't find the middle.

They only thing that would prevent a war would be for saddam to resign. He will never do this, those people are way too proud. It's their way of life.”

“What's the problem with ongoing inspections? They had inspectors going over every inch of the country and Blix has said, tho he thought Saddam wasn't coming clean, let's give it another 6 weeks.

But wait, Bush has the entire US military sitting outside Saddam's front door at a cost of about $500,000 million a day while the US economy is in the shhitter. Damn. Guess we'd better start shooting!”

“That'd be $500 million...”

“thanks for making the point Rosey. If we are going to do then lets do it. To be honest, I am really surprised that you have finally left the anti-war side,”

“I think Rosey is just coming to the conclusion that he has gotten us so knee deep in poop that there's no turning back...
(if I may speak for you, Rosey)”

“I thought rosey was commenting on the foolishness of waiting another 6 weeks for pointless inspections. He made a good point.”

“personally I don't care much for Bush but I do think Saddam needs to be taken out. Bush made the mistake of not going ahead and doing it months ago. If he had done it then it would have been over and done with and we would have moved on to something else like North Korea. If Bush Sr. had done his job back in 1991 this would have been over with along time ago.
If I rememeber correctly Clinton bombed Iraq twice and nothing was said about it from the Democrats, Republicans or the UN.

Like Nike says "JUST DO IT"”

“Don't kid yourself, Ewk. The bombing may not take that long. But, the hard part begins then. The aftermath is not a sure bet to be a quick process. All the fighting amongst the factions within Iraq, the duration of the interim government, etc. It's not carved in stone the way the administration wants you to beoieve it is...”

“tree, I realize that the hardest part will be setting up some type of goverment in Iraq.
Heck, Iraq may even be divided into separate countries run by the people that live in each region.
What ever is done will take a while just like it is in Afghanstan (sp)”

“I feel that we (the whole world)was never closer to another worldwar, and that really does scare the shlt out of me.

Now that war seems truly imminent, a part of me feels the same way.

Bush made the mistake of not going ahead and doing it months ago. If he had done it then it would have been over and done with and we would have moved on to something else like North Korea

Bush definitely should have attended to higher priorities than Iraq (e.g. North Korea), and he should've been speedier and far less careless with political capital.

But, back when I think Bush should have committed to attacking Iraq, the favored strategy was a light force striking quickly to decapitate the regime. Thank God Powell convinced Bush a massive build-up of troops was a good idea. Now that war is perhaps only hours away, I feel better knowing that, although the diplomacy for the war was amateur, at least our soldiers make up the most lethal fighting force ever assembled. I hope that fact saves lives - American and Iraqi.”

“One of the earlier posts stated that this would cause the terrorists to come out of the wood work, and that we would have the President to thank for this. I was just curious who we have to thank for 09/11/01? I don't remember us doing anything to provoke that attack, and yet it still happened. I don't recall the UN being the target of that attac either. I think it was the USA. As for some more inspections, well heck, the last 12 years have went real well haven't they? Yeah, ole Saddam really did a good job complying for over a decade. I mean, it's only a little anthrax that's missing, and those missiles that exceed the allowed range, I'm sure he was going to get around to telling us about them on his own. Probably by writing "Hi there" on the tip of one and sending it our troops' way.
Congress should declare war before it happens, I agree. In fact, I asked myself why they didn't do it in 1998 when Clinton fired a bunch of cruise missiles into Iraq. Oh well, I'm no politician.”

“This Just In....

According to John King at the White House, Homeland Terror Alert Conditon is now BEIGE.”

“Agreed. The idea of a few thousand of our troops dropped into stragegic points had Somalia written all over it.”

“In as few words as I can put it.

All the problems in that part of the world stem from the insane leaders of those countrys.They have to be stopped and some kind of goverment needs to be put in place.

If the people don't want to listen the force is the answer becuase right now talking is like hitting a dead horse.

8|”

“Stickman: Look at the record of US military intervention in the Middle East. From overthrowing an elected regime in Iran, to shelling Lebanon, to arming Israel and spending 3 billion dollars a year there, to stationing troops in Saudi Arabia, to the no fly zones in Iraq to UN vetoes over Israel, to other military interventions around the world. By any measure, the US has unloaded more firepower outside its borders than anyone else in the last 50 years (probably more than everyone else combined).

Some of these military actions made sense, some didn't - but its a dangerous myth to think that 9/11 came because people didn't like the way we live inside our own borders. Its a dangerous myth that this attack came because of the lack of US military involvement around the world.

Even if you believe every bit of military intervention by the US around the world was reasonable and just, you need to understand the level of enmity it can cause.”

“"Sorry gojo, but the US has NOT declared war."
chili36
02:26:41 PM
03/17/03

Say what?
Where were you when the President declared war on terrorism?

Again, for crying out loud:
9/11 changed EVERYTHING;
especially the way we will conduct war...

Where were you when the President said we WILL search you (terrorists) out?

Remember?
"You cannot hide..."

Where were you when the President said that if your state harbors terrorists - ANY terrorists - you, too, will be harshly dealt with?

Yes, bro - we're at war...”

“As the Commander-in-Chief, the President has full authority to engage America’s military forces in the interest of national security. Congress is the only branch of government however with the Constitutional authority to declare war and to appropriate funding for such operations.

I'm sorry gojo, I still believe the Constitution prohibits the President from "Declaring War".”

“Where were you when the President said that if your state harbors terrorists - ANY terrorists - you, too, will be harshly dealt with?



Do we need to print the long list of countries that accompany this?”

“Reminder: Viet Nam was NOT a war it was a "Police Action."

I believe chili is correct, only Congress can declare war.”

“Even if you believe every bit of military intervention by the US around the world was reasonable and just, you need to understand the level of enmity it can cause.

Oh boy. Then how do you explain their enmity toward the West as a whole, if the U.S. is by far the worst aggressor?

America is simply the largest, most visible country that best symbolizes the West. That's why they attack us. These people would be making war with *someone* no matter what the U.S. policy was in the Middle East, because their motivation stems from a desire for power and a sick religious mindwarp - not from U.S. cruise missiles.

Their motivation is not to bring down America per se, but rather to institute an Islamic super-state. Their motivation is to bring down the secular ME regimes, and the external power they use to rally the peasants against is actually fairly irrelevant to their cause.

The notion that it's U.S. policy to blame for 9/11 is just plain specious. It may look correct on the surface, but it doesn't hold up to a finer analysis.”

“But wait, Bush has the entire US military sitting outside Saddam's front door at a cost of about $500,000 million a day while the US economy is in the shhitter. Damn. Guess we'd better start shooting!"

~roseymonster


And where is this money going?
France?
Zimbabwe?
Sierra Leone?

Nope.

The largest industrial complex in the entire state of Georgia is Warner Robbins Air Logistics Command - slash - Robbins Air Force Base.

It employs thousands of civilians.

#2 would *prolly* be Lockheed Corporation. They build the C-130 and the F-22 stealth fighter.

Again, thousands of Americans earn their living there.

In 20 years of construction, I spent five of them building structures at Warner Robbins, Dobbins AFB, and Ft. McPherson.
See? I have personally benefitted from defense spending.

And ya know what? I've done several smaller jobs for military personnel on their homes. Again, direct income from the Department of Defense.

Your spending spending spending argument is worthless.

You peeps are still squirming w/o a leg to stand on.

You hate G.W.B.
You are still smarting from the "selection".
You are nothing more than a buncha Jesse Jackson clones.

This has nothing to do with death and spending and American Imperialism. It's ALL about Bush.

Get over it already...”

“Actually, I am inclined to agree with Mutt. I don't think our policies in the mid east is the "cause" for us to be attacked. However, I do think that over the years, we have "fueled" the hatred somewhat.”